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Post by George Carlin Sun 22 Sep 2013, 11:01 am

A. Edinburgh
 
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1. Pre-season
 
Fri 30 Aug 2013, 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 15 - 5 Newcastle Falcons
 
Fri 23 Aug 2013, 19:30
Northampton Saints 24 - 6 Edinburgh Rugby
 
2. 2013/2014 Season - Played
 
Sat 7 Sep, 19:15
Munster Rugby 34 - 23 Edinburgh Rugby
 
Fri 13 Sep, 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 16 - 13 Newport Gwent Dragons
 
Sat 21 Sep, 18:30
Ospreys 44 - 10 Edinburgh Rugby
 
Fri 27 Sep, 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 9 - 22 Scarlets

Sun 6 Oct, 14:05
Cardiff Blues 29 - 12 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 25 Oct, 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 13 Benetton Treviso

Fri 1 Nov 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 25 - 23 Zebre

Fri 22 Nov 19:05
Ulster Rugby 41 - 17 Edinburgh Rugby

Fri 29 Nov 19:45
Edinburgh Rugby 43 - 10 Connacht

3. 2013/2014 Season - Next 3 Games
 
Fri 20 Dec 19:35
Edinburgh Rugby v Leinster

Thu 26 Dec 15:05
Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors

Wed 1 Jan 18:05
Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby

B. Glasgow
 
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1. Pre-season
 
Sat 31 Aug 2013, 15:00
Exeter Chiefs 26 - 29 Glasgow Warriors
 
2. 2013/2014 Season
 
Fri 6 Sep, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 22 - 15 Cardiff Blues
 
Fri 13 Sep, 19:05
Ulster Rugby 12 - 13 Glasgow Warriors
 
Fri 20 Sep, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 12 - 6 Leinster Rugby
 
Fri 27 Sep, 19:30
Zebre 17 - 24 Glasgow Warriors
 
Sat 5 Oct, 18:30
Scarlets 12 - 17 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 25 Oct, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 6 - 13 Munster Rugby

Sat 2 Nov, 17:00
Connacht Rugby 12 - 19 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 22 Nov, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 8 - 23 Newport Gwent Dragons

Fri 29 Nov, 19:05
Ospreys 16 - 28 Glasgow Warriors

3. 2013/2014 Season - Next 3 Games
 
Fri 20 Dec, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors   v   Benetton Treviso

Thu 26 Dec 15:05
Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors

Wed 1 Jan 18:05
Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby
 
Bearing in mind the above - what I'd like to know for each team is:
 
1. How is the season likely to go?
2. What are the teams' strengths?
3. What are the teams' weaknesses?
4. What can be done to improve matters for each team?
 
Any jingoism, sledging or graceless kicking of anyone whilst they are up or down will see posts deleted.
 
Be gracious and be constructive.


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Post by jimbopip Sun 22 Sep 2013, 2:18 pm

GC are you serious? It's the MFL.
OK .
WeePee, Jedi, Dunbar, Angela, Moray, Ruaridh,  Hoggy, Schlong, Fozzie, Ickle Jonnie, Harley and Vernon. All played on Friday and all came through the ranks.. I know I have chundered on about Big Al personifying the core values at Glasgow but I can see those values evident in that list. Glasgow started on Friday with 14 SQ players and the big name overseas players add to what is already there. I still don't see an MFL equivalent to Big Al. Also the big name signings seem to be seen as a solution to Edinburgh's woes while not addressing the real problem, which is as good a definition of papering over the cracks as I can think of.
MFL short term plan
Moonlight flit from the Reading Room.
Find small cosy single end in need of TLC.
Reconnect with what rugby is all about. (see Bob Harley dragging one of the Hard Knocks boys through the snow)
Start acting like a rugby club.
Remember when Glasgow got slated for the Parks-G Dog axis. Yes it wasn't pretty but it said, "We're not here to lose. You'll need to try harder than us if you want anything from this game" Glasgow were a bugger to beat. From that attitude you can grow. It's not rocket science.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 22 Sep 2013, 2:45 pm

Thanks for replying Jimbo - was starting to feel a bit stoopid. Tumbleweed 
 
I think it's taken me until now to appreciate all of the work that Lineen did and I think that I focussed on the shortcomings of the Glasgow team, rather than all of the good things that have come with establishing a club with identity. That is quite a list of players that you mention above (you can add others like Rory Lamont, Thom Evans and John Barclay to that list). All of them are born and bred around the club and whilst they are not the best players in the world, they play with what everyone's favourite mildly racist uncle, Jim Telfer, would call "honesty".
 
I think that's overstating it to suggest that Glasgow is a model that Edinburgh must copy as there are plenty of ways to run a rugby club, but I am wondering what Solomons can do. I think that he'll add a few more squad players, establish a core of players that does what he wants them to do and try and build a team around that. It's just dawning on me that it will take a full season at least to determine the dead wood and cut it away. I am also not convinced that Edinburgh coaches have the best back office support, which is staggering and shameful given that Edinburgh is a massive rugby town.
 
The thing that I don't know how you can coach out of players is inconsistency. When Edinburgh start to lose their shape (I'm thinking of last season), it's like a plague - it just seems to take over the entire team.
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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:05 pm

I know our season has been bad but we did beat Newcastle..

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:14 pm

DTH pulled out the game so the entire starting team were Scots qualified. Can't be too often these days in the top leagues in the NH.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:21 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I know our season has been bad but we did beat Newcastle..
OP amended. I wasn't extracting the urine.
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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:30 pm

If this article had come up before the weekend I would have been a fairly content Edinburgh fan. Last night's performance has just got me thoroughly depressed, and concerned.

Before last night we had a sprited performance against Northampton Saints, a limited performance but victory over Newcastle, a poor performance and loss away to Munster, and again a limited performance but victory over the Dragons.

So at that stage it was kind of as expected for a team in transition with a new coach - lost the games we'd expect to lose, won the games we hoped to win. The performances haven't been great but that would come with team.

After last night though we're right back to square one.

How does a team recover from something like that? It really was truly awful - an embarrassment. There was nothing positive to take from it and a whole heap of negatives - I hope they get slaughtered in their video run-through tomorrow morning.

What I think the coaches need to do is draw a line through last night - make it clear that the performance was completely unacceptable, and move on. Now isn't the time for shouting and screaming and beasting training sessions, although more vigorous defencive training would be a good idea!

Our next two games are Scarlets at home and Blues away, which are pretty good fixtures - both teams are short of confidence. If we can somehow pull a miracle out the bag and beat Scarlets on Friday that could give us confidence for the Blues away and Traviso at home.

I'm glad I'm on holiday next week and won't be at Murrayfield for the Scarlets game. Can't see there being much of a crowd!

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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:33 pm

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I know our season has been bad but we did beat Newcastle..
OP amended. I wasn't extracting the urine.
I didn't think you were just thought I'd point out!Very Happy 

Good thread BTW - and Glasgow brethren, please be gentle.Sad

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Post by George Carlin Sun 22 Sep 2013, 4:46 pm

There are a number of variables, surely:
1. Quality of the players.
2. Having a coaching team that is respected.
3. Having a game plan that all players believe in.
4. Quality of the training facilities.
5. Quality of the backroom staff.
 
I would say that the 'average' quality of a Glasgow squad player is perhaps marginally higher than the quality of an average Edinburgh squad player but I really don't think that there's that much in it. So what are we left with that explains what seems to be quite a gap between the sides?
 
I think that it comes down again to not having a coherent gameplan and a group of players who are settled together, trust each other and understand the systems that they are working to. If that's all (!), then I think that Alan'll Fix It - we just have to accept the fact that it will take 1-2 seasons to see consistent, marked improvements.
 
That said, there are things that they can do. We have plenty of Macron cash at the moment, the SRU has essentially admitted as such. Du Preez is in his prime and was being courted by Super clubs - he is on a 2 year deal and wouldn't have been cheap. What, honestly, is stopping us from taking a good SH 10 on loan and using his experience? To some extent (Toulon being the other end of the extreme), you can throw money this.
 
I can't shake the feeling that Solomons wanted Catrekallis to come with him but couldn't convince the player.
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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 5:00 pm

I'd agree GC - I genuinely think the Edinburgh team has a lot of good players, but as you said it's just not working as a team just now.

A good 10 would make a difference, but I think we are clutching at straws if we think we can get a player who can come in and make an immediate impact. Even if we got a top 10 with Super XV experience it would be a while before he found his feet and could exert his influence.

I've said it before but I'd rather make do with what we have this season and get a very good player next summer, than panic buy an average joe this season, meaning we miss out on good players next season.

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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 5:03 pm

Also, I know he's got pressures to rest players but he's got to stick with his strongest XV as often as possible - bring back Ford and Nel.

I'd also drop Basalaia if Cox is fit - I had high hopes for him being our regular 6 this season but he has been very disappointing. It is starting to look like he just can't cut it.

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Post by George Carlin Sun 22 Sep 2013, 6:27 pm

Agreed about the Georgian nutjob.

The first thing for any coach to do is to establish the best players in each position and then try combinations with only these players. It was this that Pappy was getting at when he said it would take 2 months.

A front row of Blaauw, Ford and Nel has power and experience. The boilerhouse is a problem. VdW is part of the solution but I cannot help but feel Gilchrist is not, neither is Cox. I haven't seen enough of PJP to comment but I haven't blown my tea across the living room in delight whenever I've seen him. What Edinburgh would give for Nathan Hines.

Pappy clearly likes Roddy Grant in the absence of Rennie and Denton is really the only choice as a ball carrying 8. Du Preez has shown every indication he will be the solution at 6. Loose forward combinations always take more time to gel. If Grant gets injured though, Edinburgh are scrabbling for specialist opensides which seems properly mad when Glasgow have Holmes and Bordill on the bench and holding the tackle bags.

Tonks, Walker and His Timness is serviceable enough but there are some real footballing skills missing of the kind shown by Eli Walker the other night. Scott and De Luca on their day are the best that the country can offer but if either is injured, then we're up the poopie creek again.

I'll say it again, the lack of a decent and experienced 10 who can put that pack in the correct part of the field is really, really hurting us. Taking nothing away fron Leonard, and I mean that.
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 22 Sep 2013, 8:55 pm

And it looks like Embra are ruining Sean Kennedy now - cracking wee SH. Should have stayed in Glasgow as he wanted to !

No team ethic - a group full of preening prima donnas with very little rugby ability and no will to win or improve. They are mercenary to the point of not caring what supporters do or think. Solomon needs to start from scratch and re-build from the bottom up. It will take a few seasons but it can be done - look what SL achieved at Glasgow and Toonie has inherited and subsequently built upon. Build a young team around Laidlaw, the only player in your squad with any real rugby nous flowing through his veins. Bin the rest, including fan dancing poseurs like De Luca, Denton and Visser.
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Post by Manky-Flanker Sun 22 Sep 2013, 8:58 pm

George Carlin wrote:
I'll say it again, the lack of a decent and experienced 10 who can put that pack in the correct part of the field is really, really hurting us. Taking nothing away fron Leonard, and I mean that.
I get where you're coming from, but would such a player have made a difference last night? Edinburgh couldn't protect their own ball and were endlessly being turned over by Osprey's breakdown work or their own errors. 30 odd errors! Even the likes of Dan Carter would have struggled to influence the game with that sort of error count. Losing the ball in contact, dropped passes, knocking on, dropping the ball at the base of a ruck, not fielding the high balls, accidental crossing etc. An experienced 10 would be good, but I don't think it is the immediate concern.

Aside from the error count, what is of major concern is Edinburgh's defence. Loads to sort out here. the speed of re-alignment was slow, first up tackles were missed, fringe defence was poor, communication - rarely in evidence. I mean even with an extra forward they couldn't defend an attacking maul, conceding tries when the opposition is a man down is alarming. Edinburgh have conceded 30 points on average per game so far.

I agree the more the first XV can play together the better. Once they have shored up their defence and cut the error count down, then they can start thinking about the next step of improvement. These bread and butter issues need to be resolved first. They undermine everything else that the team does well. Be hard to beat first, solid defence and few errors, then start to build confidence from there.

..but kindly sort all this out AFTER the 1872 fixtures boxing


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Post by RDW Sun 22 Sep 2013, 9:37 pm

I'm going to the sru shop tomorrow morning - might shout some abuse at the Edinburgh players training while I'm there!

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Post by Tramptastic Sun 22 Sep 2013, 9:42 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:And it looks like Embra are ruining Sean Kennedy now - cracking wee SH.   Should have stayed in Glasgow as he wanted to !    

No team ethic - a group full of preening prima donnas with very little rugby ability and no will to win or improve.    They are mercenary to the point of not caring what supporters do or think.   Solomon needs to start from scratch and re-build from the bottom up.   It will take a few seasons but it can be done - look what SL achieved at Glasgow and Toonie has inherited and subsequently built upon.     Build a young team around Laidlaw, the only player in your squad with any real rugby nous flowing through his veins.   Bin the rest, including fan dancing poseurs like De Luca, Denton and Visser.      
Surely you'd admit Scott and Rennie both have real rugby nous too? I'd say they'd both make the Glasgow squad (although would be interesting to see how Scott got on with Dunbar as direct competition for the 12 spot!). Rennie is Scotlands best seven even when compared to Barclay - if he hadnt knackered his shoulder last year probably would have made the lions (and subsequently been ignored for 8 weeks by Gatland).

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Post by Weegie Wizard Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:16 am

From a Warriors point of view the season has started very well. Although we haven't played much of the open rugby from last season due to good opposition, bad weather and a missing weegie from fiji, we have started with 3 wins and are top. Can't ask for much more.

I think you Edinburgh lot need to be far more patient and remember that last season was bad. Really bad.
Solomons has been in the job for about a month and a bit and has brought in a no nonsense defence coach which you desperately needed and has signed a real top quality blind side. You have been badly beaten by 2 of the best sides in the league and won a game against an improved Dragons team that you probably would have lost last season. Did you all expect anything else at this stage of the season?

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Post by TJ Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:26 am

Weegie wiz - it was the poor display that dispirited me as an Edinburgh fan. No spirit and fight. I could take the losses if we had lost well. What seems to be lacking is a team spirit.

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Post by Tramptastic Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:28 am

Weegie Wizard wrote:From a Warriors point of view the season has started very well. Although we haven't played much of the open rugby from last season due to good opposition, bad weather and a missing weegie from fiji, we have started with 3 wins and are top. Can't ask for much more.

I think you Edinburgh lot need to be far more patient and remember that last season was bad. Really bad.
Solomons has been in the job for about a month and a bit and has brought in a no nonsense defence coach which you desperately needed and has signed a real top quality blind side. You have been badly beaten by 2 of the best sides in the league and won a game against an improved Dragons team that you probably would have lost last season. Did you all expect anything else at this stage of the season?
Ach we're all happy with the new coaching team, we have the patience for this season... It's just the Ospreys defeat took the wind out of our sails, we'd had some decent performances against newcastle, Dragons, Northampton to a degree, but being hammered like that was like "eurgh not has changed afterall!"... we will get better but I'm now expecting a couple more performances like that before the season ends whereas before the spreys I think most of us thought we wouldnt play that bad again Laugh 

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Post by Tramptastic Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:31 am

Breaking news, Edinburgh have just signed Argentine International Backrow Forward Tomas Leonardi, proficient at 6 or 8!

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Post by Tramptastic Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:31 am

I reckon that means Basilai is on his way out

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Post by RDW Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:35 am

It's only a 3 month deal which maybe suggests someone is injured.....hope not, and I especially hope it isn't Denton!

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:36 am

Tramptastic wrote:Breaking news, Edinburgh have just signed Argentine International Backrow Forward Tomas Leonardi, proficient at 6 or 8!
He certainly updated his Wiki profile quickly - Edinburgh being listed as his current club! Another Southern King, so credit to Solomons for this - 18 caps for the Pumas is nothing to be sniffed at. He didn't get much game time with the Kings but he seemed to come quite late into the season and Kings already were using more than their quota of foreign players.
 
Could be good.
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Post by Weegie Wizard Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:47 am

Can't say I've heard of this guy but he's up against Lobbe and Leguizamon Headscratch for his 18 caps. Must be reasonable.

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Post by Weegie Wizard Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:55 am

JayP I agree the Ospreys game was a bad one and one of the main problems was lack of spirit. I think a game like that will help show Solomons the scale of the problem - something that he will still be assessing.
He needs to learn that a few too many of his players would have conceded defeat after the Ospreys scored after 4 mins. It will take the best part of a year to either change that mindset or weed out those players. His track record suggests he'll get you there.

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Post by TJ Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:07 am

I hope so Weegie and he would appear to be the man for the job

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Post by VinceWLB Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:46 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:It's only a 3 month deal which maybe suggests someone is injured.....hope not, and I especially hope it isn't Denton!
Isn't Sean Cox injured?

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Post by RDW Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:53 am

He didn't play at the weekend so maybe he is

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:56 am

It sounds more like a trial period than injury cover to me.
Better than Edinburgh's current system of offering 2-3 year contracts to 87 year olds.
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Post by EWT Spoons Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:03 pm

George Carlin wrote:It sounds more like a trial period than injury cover to me.
Better than Edinburgh's current system of offering 2-3 year contracts to 87 year olds.
Gutted!

I figured it was only a matter of time before my lack of ability, history of injuries, and steadily increasing age would all align to the Edinburgh recruitment strategy. Now they seem to have moved the goalposts.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:36 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
George Carlin wrote:It sounds more like a trial period than injury cover to me.
Better than Edinburgh's current system of offering 2-3 year contracts to 87 year olds.
Gutted!

I figured it was only a matter of time before my lack of ability, history of injuries, and steadily increasing age would all align to the Edinburgh recruitment strategy.  Now they seem to have moved the goalposts.
Laugh The barstewards. My Uncle Dave with his arthritic hip was also hopeful now that he formally an octogenerian.
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Post by TJ Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:35 pm

Glasgow really look like a team. the were weakened against Leinster ( as were leinster) but their defence was awesome. ~They really look like a team going somewhere this year.

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Post by tigertattie Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:46 pm

Glasgow good
Edinburgh crap

review complete
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Post by TJ Mon 23 Sep 2013, 2:09 pm

Surely you mean "Edinburgh - a work in progress"

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Post by tigertattie Mon 23 Sep 2013, 2:45 pm

I hope so TJ.  The way Edinburgh are playing is just too depressing to watch.  If there is no improvement (over the next few months, I'm not expecting miracles) then I may need to revert to only following the amature game in Scotland!
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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 23 Sep 2013, 3:19 pm

tigertattie wrote:Glasgow good
Edinburgh crap

review complete
That's about as comprehensive as I'm willing to contemplate at present.

Glasgow are going from strength to strength, fully maximising the abilities of the squad. Bob Harley, a player with no pace and handling skills, is playing like a cross between AJ Venter and Jerry Collins at the moment. Glasgow play as a team and defend as a collective.

I have nothing good to say about Edinburgh at the moment, so I won't bother.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 3:52 pm

TJ wrote:Surely you mean "Edinburgh - a work in progress"
In the same way that Basra, Syria, Yemen and Dundee are 'works in progress', yes.
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Post by RDW Mon 23 Sep 2013, 4:03 pm

Well I didnt get the chance to shout abuse to the Edinburgh players earlier when I went to the sru shop, passed Stevie Scott though, but restrained myself from shouting at him!

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Post by TJ Mon 23 Sep 2013, 5:01 pm

George - thats not kind. ;-)

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 23 Sep 2013, 5:08 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Well I didnt get the chance to shout abuse to the Edinburgh players earlier when I went to the sru shop, passed Stevie Scott though, but restrained myself from shouting at him!
That is a decent display of restraint if you ask me. I haven't even watched the "highlights" yet and I'm already furious about the missed tackles!!

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 6:14 pm

TJ wrote:George - thats not kind. ;-)
i'm sorry about that. I've already had angry emails from some people in Basra asking that I never compare them to Dundee ever again.
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Post by GLove39 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 6:38 pm

Had to laugh, Planet Rugby are giving away 4 tickets to the Edinburgh - Scarlets game. What an amazing prize!!!!!!!!

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 23 Sep 2013, 7:45 pm

Tramptastic wrote:
21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:And it looks like Embra are ruining Sean Kennedy now - cracking wee SH.   Should have stayed in Glasgow as he wanted to !    

No team ethic - a group full of preening prima donnas with very little rugby ability and no will to win or improve.    They are mercenary to the point of not caring what supporters do or think.   Solomon needs to start from scratch and re-build from the bottom up.   It will take a few seasons but it can be done - look what SL achieved at Glasgow and Toonie has inherited and subsequently built upon.     Build a young team around Laidlaw, the only player in your squad with any real rugby nous flowing through his veins.   Bin the rest, including fan dancing poseurs like De Luca, Denton and Visser.      
Surely you'd admit Scott and Rennie both have real rugby nous too? I'd say they'd both make the Glasgow squad (although would be interesting to see how Scott got on with Dunbar as direct competition for the 12 spot!). Rennie is Scotlands best seven even when compared to Barclay - if he hadnt knackered his shoulder last year probably would have made the lions (and subsequently been ignored for 8 weeks by Gatland).
Apologies - Matt Scott is an excellent centre in a bad team. Rennie is just too injury prone but yes a good player if ever fit .
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 23 Sep 2013, 7:46 pm

GLove39 wrote:Had to laugh, Planet Rugby are giving away 4 tickets to the Edinburgh - Scarlets game. What an amazing prize!!!!!!!!
Whats the second prize - 8 tickets ?
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Post by Tramptastic Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:13 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:
Tramptastic wrote:
21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:And it looks like Embra are ruining Sean Kennedy now - cracking wee SH.   Should have stayed in Glasgow as he wanted to !    

No team ethic - a group full of preening prima donnas with very little rugby ability and no will to win or improve.    They are mercenary to the point of not caring what supporters do or think.   Solomon needs to start from scratch and re-build from the bottom up.   It will take a few seasons but it can be done - look what SL achieved at Glasgow and Toonie has inherited and subsequently built upon.     Build a young team around Laidlaw, the only player in your squad with any real rugby nous flowing through his veins.   Bin the rest, including fan dancing poseurs like De Luca, Denton and Visser.      
Surely you'd admit Scott and Rennie both have real rugby nous too? I'd say they'd both make the Glasgow squad (although would be interesting to see how Scott got on with Dunbar as direct competition for the 12 spot!). Rennie is Scotlands best seven even when compared to Barclay - if he hadnt knackered his shoulder last year probably would have made the lions (and subsequently been ignored for 8 weeks by Gatland).
Apologies - Matt Scott is an excellent centre in a bad team.  Rennie is just too injury prone but yes a good player if ever fit .
Scott and Dunbar will be competing for the Scotland 12 spot for the next 10 years, two different types of players, should bring out the best in each other! Future at centre looks bright!

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Post by jimbopip Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:17 pm

Trampus, don't forget Duncan Taylor who was MOM at 12 for Sarries v Bath, yesterday.

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:18 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:
GLove39 wrote:Had to laugh, Planet Rugby are giving away 4 tickets to the Edinburgh - Scarlets game. What an amazing prize!!!!!!!!
Whats the second prize - 8 tickets ?
Laugh

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:24 pm

jimbopip wrote:Trampus, don't forget Duncan Taylor who was MOM at 12 for Sarries v Bath, yesterday.
Didn't know that - that is excellent, as was Kelly Brown getting half an hour on the pitch in his first game back from injury.

Unfortunately they stuck poor Tom Heathcote on in the first half when Bath oddly chose to play their U21 Girls Second XV against Sarries, hence the Sarries bonus point already being tied up by half time.
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Post by jimbopip Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:31 pm

Gc tuned in late, busy watching young Pipetto play his first genuinely good performance at scrum half in kids tourney. He got stamped on the head and had to come off I sent him back on and he played like a man possesed. He actually went from a sensitive kind hearted boy playing at rugby to a kid who was totally into the game before my eyes, it was pure dead brilliant. Anyhoo, Kellybrows looked good, Taylor was totally fecced off at being subbed...I like that in a player.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:54 pm

Beautiful family news, Jimbo.
My second due in Jan/Feb is a boy and it hasn't really sunk in yet that I'll be able to do all that stuff. That said, just my luck if he prefers Glee, Will & Grace and Project Runway to the beautiful game.

Taylor was probably p!ssed because he hadn't had the chance to stand on Henson's creosoted fizzog during the match.
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