shocking ref shocking wlad!

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How on earth does wlad get away with useing he's forearm all the time , he did it all night against haye and again tonight absolutely disgusting from the ref , even Tyson would never beat wlad when hes allowed to lean and hold , watching that made me angry!

rycoys wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

rycoys wrote:I also love the fact when povetkin/haye hits the canvas wlad looks at the ref and shakes he's head as to say ( how dare he go down after I've wrapped my giant forearm round he's kneck and restsed my 19 stone frame on his shoulders!! ) also the povetkin corner should have done a lot more complaining between rounds .

Maybe they can get a 15 minute interview on Loose Women and have a right old b1tch about it.

or I could write my opinion on a boxing forum oh wait I just did!

Maybe you could go on Loose women with your opinion and b1tch for.......ah I give up.  

I feel sorry for Povetkin, he had no chance of getting a fair crack with that ref, disgraceful fight.

He also had no chance of winning. Wlad is the superior boxer.

Klitschko is a joke. Probably the luckiest heavyweight champion in history. Around when there is no talent whatsoever in the division for a decade now and probably wouldnt even be a champion only his brother wont fight him. His jab and right hand are pants against a half decent challenger. He needed to wrestle Povetkin to win. Couldnt control him with the jab or right hand at all. Had to hold on instead of using his boxing ability which is hugely overrated. He wouldnt even be a decent challenger in the 80s and 90s. Last night is proof of that.

Rocky and Lennox ruled when the HW division was dire. Admittedly the Lewis era had slightly better HWs, but Rocky's era was worse than this. If Wlad were American and more exciting to watch many would be hailing him as one of the best ever.

For me he is one of the best ever. Also the most boring HW champion ever, but that does not take away from his supreme skills. He would be a contender in any era. Probably a champion is some other than this.

Bit overstated that, Marcianos is probably the worst division in history and as for the luckiest it has to be without a doubt Valuev. He had a bad night, didn't handle it as well as he could have but struggled to back off as well as he usually did so resorted to holding and wrestling either he is getting too old or barrelling into his chest is the way to go.You'll notice that Povetkin did nothing with his other hand while clinched. Watched it again on the Sky+ and it seems to me that Povetkin went to ground a little too easily both from the knockdowns and the pushes.

However, Wlad looked very awkward and uncomfortable when Povetkin went in wildly and didnt try to hold him off with that jab or throw that right instead letting him in a smothering him. When he did throw with venom he had him hurt so I don't know why he didnt go for the kill. Wlad also looked frustrated and confused at times until later on in the fight when he started letting some uppercuts go - will have to see his next fight to see if its an age based decline or just a bad day.

As i eluded too before, how can knocking your guy down 4 times and winning 119-104 be a bad night at the office?!?!?!

comments like that just go to show how good Wlad is and would have competed with ANY of the top heavyweights of boxing history.

Dont think Any. Tyson would be a nightmare, and would probably win same with Foreman, Frazier maybe even dempsey. Anyone who boxes him will struggle but any who attack him efficiently will probably end up winning if that performance is anything to go by. Ali and holmes would probably eke out tight awkward wins and Lewis would win with superior variety of punches. But I could see him beating quite a lot of the others

Laughable. 90% of the opponents Wlad has faced are walking punchbags. His supposed great skills look good against crap opponents. Last night he faced one of the better opponents of his entire sorry career and he had to rely on fouling and holding to win. Completely exposed his overrated boxing talent but highighted his penchant for fouling. It would be hilarious to see him try it against a Tyson or a Foreman rather than Povetkin. He would be gone quicker than against Sanders.

This the same Tyson who tried to break Bothas arms because he kept clinching or all the other mediocre fighters that clinched him? Never seen such a high level fighter so docile in the clinches. I'd have tyson a near certainty of beating wlad because of his style and power but if it becomes a wrestling or clinching match Tyson will come off the loser.

I don't think I recall a fight where so many clinches were initiated without a punch being thrown. It was truly like watching a Greco-Roman wrestling match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqWruQeORM4

There you go boxing fan, This would make wlad laugh contemptuously.

sorry boxthis*

mobilemaster8 wrote:Hahahahah has. Would he heck.

Povetkin was dog Poopie and Wlad took him out with ease.

4 knockdowns later accompanied with one of the widest scores in boxing state you lot are talking out ya hoops. Period.

Who next for Dr Steelhammer?!

Who gives a 5hit?

The big thing being were it an American Wlad were facing the clinches would not be allowed.

Tyson wouldnt be missing wildly like Povetkin and would be winging in hooks and uppercuts in close. Wlad is the luckiest heavyweight champion in history because he seems to have fooled a lot of people that hes a great heavyweight by of beating up punchbags. Nobody took Valuev seriously. Klitschko is unbelievably average but happens to have come along in a division of crap. I would have him on a par with Bruno.

catchweight wrote:Laughable. 90% of the opponents Wlad has faced are walking punchbags. His supposed great skills look good against crap opponents. Last night he faced one of the better opponents of his entire sorry career and he had to rely on fouling and holding to win. Completely exposed his overrated boxing talent but highighted his penchant for fouling. It would be hilarious to see him try it against a Tyson or a Foreman rather than Povetkin. He would be gone quicker than against Sanders.

That's because he made them look bad.Everyone has a plan against him until the first jab lands. Superb boxer. ATG top 15 at HW without doubt. Far superior to Rocky who was fed a diet of old light heavies and Cockell.

No its because they are that bad. Its that simple.

catchweight wrote:No its because they are that bad. Its that simple.

AZ is right on this one. David Haye was and still is a very good boxer who is super fast with a very powerful punch. Wlad made him look average. Povetkin is a gold medalist at the olympics and was undefeated in 28 fights including beating some very notable opponents and as soon as he got into the ring he couldn't even land a punch on wlad.

Wlad and vitali are just so superior to the rest of the boxing hw's.

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Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:No its because they are that bad. Its that simple.

AZ is right on this one. David Haye was and still is a very good boxer who is super fast with a very powerful punch. Wlad made him look average. Povetkin is a gold medalist at the olympics and was undefeated in 28 fights including beating some very notable opponents and as soon as he got into the ring he couldn't even land a punch on wlad.

Wlad and vitali are just so superior to the rest of the boxing hw's.

Wlad is. Vit isn't. Haye would do him.

azania wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

catchweight wrote:No its because they are that bad. Its that simple.

AZ is right on this one. David Haye was and still is a very good boxer who is super fast with a very powerful punch. Wlad made him look average. Povetkin is a gold medalist at the olympics and was undefeated in 28 fights including beating some very notable opponents and as soon as he got into the ring he couldn't even land a punch on wlad.

Wlad and vitali are just so superior to the rest of the boxing hw's.

Wlad is. Vit isn't. Haye would do him.

maybe now because he is 42 and has basically retired having not fought in a year and a half but back in 01-04 or 08-2011 when he was at his peak he was above the rest.

I'd be happier just to say the era is awful and the brothers are the least useless, Wlad was rubbish last night as he always is.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'd be happier just to say the era is awful and the brothers are the least useless, Wlad was rubbish last night as he always is.

Rubbish? he won 119-104!

I thought he did well to completely nulify the inside threat of povetkin. Yes it was boring but he totally dominated the fight and I don't remember povetkin being able to land one decent punch on wlad.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

rycoys wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

rycoys wrote:I also love the fact when povetkin/haye hits the canvas wlad looks at the ref and shakes he's head as to say ( how dare he go down after I've wrapped my giant forearm round he's kneck and restsed my 19 stone frame on his shoulders!! ) also the povetkin corner should have done a lot more complaining between rounds .

Maybe they can get a 15 minute interview on Loose Women and have a right old b1tch about it.

or I could write my opinion on a boxing forum oh wait I just did!

Maybe you could go on Loose women with your opinion and b1tch for.......ah I give up.  

yep if I was you I would give up!

I don't care for the scorecards as his tactics were cheating plain and simple, stop painting it differently to the reality Mr Dior.

Strange one from Wlad, last night. Glimpses of real quality at times; slickest jab in the Heavyweight division right now, his excellent power even when he's not coming forward, some nifty footwork which belies his huge frame. But in between all of that, way too much fouling and spoiling, even by his own standards, and I was surprised at his failure to put Povetkin away, given the amount of softening up he did throughout the fight.

In fairness to Wlad, while I was disappointed with him, he's not alone. Ali spent three fights against Frazier spoiling, pushing Joe's head down with the elbow, tying him up in close etc whenever he got the chance. Foreman got away with murder practically bench pressing his opponents off him and across the ring, the same tactic which got Khan in to a world of trouble against Peterson. Marciano used the punch-grab technique long before Wladimir ever came around.

No, what gets me most about Wladimir is that he just seems too content to box within himself at times, and that's the difference between him and the other three I've just mentioned, as well as the primary reason for why he gets held to account by the fans for his spoiling far more than those fellas ever will. By the halfway stage last night, you just felt that the threat had been extinguished and that the road was clear for Wladimir to open up, abandon that overly cautious attitude (which was more understandable early on) and go in for the kill. But he never did.

Wladimir's a talented fighter and yet, despite his record being pretty impressive, we've not seen the best of him, for me, and fights like the one last night do him a disservice, as well as giving his biggest critics a legitimate reason to hound him, too. He was spot on in altering his style and approach given his early career setbacks, but last night's showing was proof enough for me that, if anything, he's gone too far the other way when he really needn't have.

He may have pitched a shut out, but Wladimir didn't enhance his reputation for me last night.

He just isnt that good. He couldnt even beat Povetkin without an atrocious display of cheating. I knew thats what would happen. Hes so predictable. Predictable and average.

Strongback wrote:
I've gone off Wlad.  

Christ man, when did you ever like watching him in the first place?!

When he was beating Haye.

The Haye fight stank even worse than last nights pile of crap. At least Povetkin supplied effort.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:When he was beating Haye.

That was a fair while ago, did Haye sleep with his wife?

If a fan favourite British boxer held or cheated like wlad we would be praising his professionalism. I recall lennox holding Grant and punching him for the ko. All forgiven and indeed called a great win for him.

Double standards?

It's the level to which Wlad did it, it was constant not just an isolated incident.

Whatever Wlad did it worked as he won 119-104.

Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Whatever Wlad did it worked as he won 119-104.

Try watching it and then tell me it was a boxing masterclass, the scorecards mean nothing when it's an atrocious fight and tactics.

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

Yeah but not until the 11th. Wlad would have been forced to change his tactics had Pabon acted earlier, part of me thinks Pabon only deducted a point because he realised what a mess he made of the "throwdowns"

hampo171 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

Yeah but not until the 11th. Wlad would have been forced to change his tactics had Pabon acted earlier, part of me thinks Pabon only deducted a point because he realised what a mess he made of the "throwdowns"

i agree, if the ref deducted a point earlier wlad would have changed but the ref never.

azania wrote:If a fan favourite British boxer held or cheated like wlad we would be praising his professionalism.  I recall lennox holding Grant and punching him for the ko. All forgiven and indeed called a great win for him.

Double standards?

Khan was criticised plenty for pushign and holding against Lamont and he did it less than Wlad last night.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

Yeah but not until the 11th. Wlad would have been forced to change his tactics had Pabon acted earlier, part of me thinks Pabon only deducted a point because he realised what a mess he made of the "throwdowns"

i agree, if the ref deducted a point earlier wlad would have changed but the ref never.

Your comparison with Khan by the way is very apt. I remember people being annoyed with those calls, just as annoyed with the lack of calls this time

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

No comparison. Khan was pushing. Wlad was climbing all over Poverkin and he wasn't disguising the fact he was trying to balance all his weight on Povetkin's back and push down.

It was like watching a jumbo kangaroo try to shag the mrs when she had a headache.

Khan was cheating but was also the victim of some home town cooking by the ref and the judges.

You know what your getting before you put a wlad fight on,like watching paint dry, won't watch him fight bores me totally.
Champion in the worst era of heavyweight history,the Klits 2 big friendly giants,about as genuine as formica.

hampo171 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Everyone is focussing the blame on Wlad instead of Pabon. It's like diving in football if it doesn't get punished players carry on doing it, Wlad didn't get punished so used it to his advantage.

he did get docked a point.

Amir Khan was constantly fouling against peterson by pushing, think he pushed over 60 times. People on here were defending Khan etc yet when klitschko does an equal foul suddenly he is torn apart for it.

Yeah but not until the 11th. Wlad would have been forced to change his tactics had Pabon acted earlier, part of me thinks Pabon only deducted a point because he realised what a mess he made of the "throwdowns"

i agree, if the ref deducted a point earlier wlad would have changed but the ref never.

Your comparison with Khan by the way is very apt. I remember people being annoyed with those calls, just as annoyed with the lack of calls this time

I thought at least one Khan deduction was fair, especially as he'd been awarded a KD that wasn't. Said so at the time. If it's not punching then they shouldn't do it to one another.

I'm a Wlad fan and was getting annoyed with his constant holding, also was his right hand broken? he literally threw it with authority 3 or 4 fights the entire fight and when he did started the beating of the 7th round. He could finish half these guys in round 1 but just messes about, was a frustrating watch.

catchweight wrote:He just isnt that good. He couldnt even beat Povetkin without an atrocious display of cheating. I knew thats what would happen. Hes so predictable. Predictable and average.

Yet nobody can get close to even landing a punch on his chin when he is on his way out and essentially an old man for a boxer. His performance was his most frustrating since Ibragimov

mobilemaster8 wrote:As i eluded too before, how can knocking your guy down 4 times and winning 119-104 be a bad night at the office?!?!?!

comments like that just go to show how good Wlad is and would have competed with ANY of the top heavyweights of boxing history.

What utter tripe.

I don't see a rejuvenation of the heavyweight division happening any time soon.

The sooner those two cheating false faced politicians the Klitschko's retire from boxing the better.

monty junior wrote:

catchweight wrote:He just isnt that good. He couldnt even beat Povetkin without an atrocious display of cheating. I knew thats what would happen. Hes so predictable. Predictable and average.

Yet nobody can get close to even landing a punch on his chin when he is on his way out and essentially an old man for a boxer. His performance was his most frustrating since Ibragimov

This is the problem for Wlad, his defence is so good that boxers cannot even land a punch on his chin anymore. I don't think any boxer has landed a meaningful head shot on him since he was knocked down by Samuel Peters nearly 10 years ago.