Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

[NickisBHAFC]

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Lamela is the biggest waste of money ever

[mystiroakey]

If cardiff go down this season I seriously fear for them .. they will be in so much trouble(it may take 2 -4 years for the problems to show up - but they will!!).. I would much rather be in palaces shoes than theres..

[mystiroakey]

If I owned palace and was to throw the dice

I would go for Murat Yakin, we would have to pay him a bundle to come over, we would then need to snatch up some of his players at basel in the window..

we would be spending big but not massive big.

That is one route i would possibly risk..

[Liam]

Palace to me are just a bang average side. Fulham actually have some decent players who when on form are as good as many in the top sides. Problem is, they hit form maybe 1/5 apart from Berba.

Kasami's goal was just superb today, technical ability at its best.

[TopoftheChops]

The run by Kasami was superb, he timed it to perfection, beautiful touch to set up a wonder strike. Sidwell's wasn't bad either

[compelling and rich]

not been on much over the weekend but thought id stick my two penneth in about Mr moyes

went to the game Saturday and have to say i was extremely disappointed in what i saw. Southampton are a decent side and worth the point but the mind set of the current side is just plain wrong. this side won the league by twelve points last season and while we expected a dip post fergie i never thought we would be struggling as badly as we are

i was one who initially didn't want moyes, just didn't see what his CV offered that was worthy of being next manager of united, but once he was offered the job he got mine and the majority of united fans support straight away (there was plenty of support on Saturday for him despite the result). and i also firmly believe ALL managers need to have time to build there own squad, but here is where my true worry is with moyes.

what type of squad is he building? on saturday as soon as we took the lead you could see a change and we went more negative straight away. rooney for smalling being the obvious example, add to this extremely negative performances against liverpool, chelsea, WBA and shaktar, where we barely had a shot on goal all game. this may well have been successful tactic in a small everton team where he was punching above his weight but its simply not acceptable in a united team. under fergie we would have put the game on saturday to bed simply by keeping going at them, instead we sat back and invited them on to us at OT?! could see the equaliser coming a mile off soon as we did it.

the other side is if we let him build his own team, what style and team is it going to be. felliani looked totally out of his depth saturday, looked so slow and just couldnt keep up with the speed of the game. carrick next to him is just as slow but looked assured and comfortable, never let anybody past him while felliani was having rings run round him. hopefully this will improve as he settles in but not a promising start from his only marquee signing. other strange choices have been nani's new 5 year contract?! and playing him, over young players like zaha/kagawa who haven't had a sniff yet.

his team selections have been poor, giggs on the right wing twice this season? anderson has had a couple of games. the only bright spark in the whole season has been the emergence of januzaj, who sadly for me looked a class above anybody else wearing the united shirt on Saturday. great for him but question marks over the rest of the team that they are getting totally out shined by a 18 year old (jones and evans had great games at the back for us which frankly sums how poor we were at home)

so far Moyes 3/10, need a massive improvement in results and the way were playing. we haven't looked like a team with any idea what to do going forward. RVP has been totally starved of service and we have been very poor to watch

minimum requirement is top 4 anything less without big improvements in how we have been playing is simply not good enough one season in or not

[Guest]

If I owned palace and was to throw the dice

I would go for Murat Yakin, we would have to pay him a bundle to come over, we would then need to snatch up some of his players at basel in the window..

we would be spending big but not massive big.

That is one route i would possibly risk..

Great call. And if push came to shove, he's still a better player now than any of your current midfielders

I really feel for Holloway, everyone at the club says 'grab the money, go down, come back up and do a West Brom', then the majority of fans want him sacked after 8 games

There is no way that Palace can stay up, unless they spend £50m+ on quality Premier League players. And no self-respecting international footballer is going to sign up for a lost cause, no matter how much money is thrown at them.

What a goal by Kasami

[mystiroakey]

Azzy he is younger than Phillips!!!

I agree on the rest of what you say. Its a silly notion to get rid unless we go a better self sustainable option..

[Guest]

Having said that, if you could get Yakin, and tempt half the Basel side over for about £30m, then I'd do it

[Guest]

Azzy he is younger than Phillips!!!

So is Jesus.

[mystiroakey]

that would be a sustainable option though even if we did go down we would be going straight back up and we wouldn't have high profile players what are only after a shot at the PL year in year out!

[mystiroakey]

But as it stands- that wont happen, so if palace decide to get rid of holloway i will be mad!

holloway just needs to find a team in amongst the rabble..

its time to work hard and target 25 pts.. nothing else.

[NickisBHAFC]

Like i say you look at Palace's squad, and then look at QPR, Wigan and Forest squad and all 3 have a better squad IMO. Holloway has been found out IMO, he can get away with his style of football in the Championship, but it just won't work in the Prem and the standard has got better since he was last here with Blackpool.

[Guest]

Has the standard got better? I'm not so sure. He had a better team with Blackpool than he does now, that's for certain.

[NickisBHAFC]

Does he though? Charlie Adam aside, there team was horrific. Like Palace it was an average Championship squad.

[Guest]

Horrific? Really? It's a huge improvement on what he has now. That Blackpool side got 39 points, which is about 36 more than this Palace side looks capable of. They only went down on the final day.

Their players all had experience at good levels, unlike this Palace side. Marlon Harewood and Luke Varney would be a huge improvement on Palace's strikeforce even now. So would DJ Campbell. And they scored 55 goals, about 49 more than this side looks capable of.

It was an average side playing well above its weight thanks to a clever manager. This Palace side is a poor side playing poorly under a clever manager who might have lost it a bit.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

If Holloway was such a clever manager he'd have realised teams worked Blackpool out and would have been able to keep them up. Yet he stuck to his guns and somehow took them down from a position where they were all but safe

Palace are just Poopie

[mystiroakey]

Like i say you look at Palace's squad, and then look at QPR, Wigan and Forest squad and all 3 have a better squad IMO. Holloway has been found out IMO, he can get away with his style of football in the Championship, but it just won't work in the Prem and the standard has got better since he was last here with Blackpool.

qpr for sure, the other two closer

[mystiroakey]

Just heard holloway wants to resign over getting grief from fans last night.

Idiot fans- what the heck do they expect!

[guildfordbat]

Just heard holloway wants to resign over getting grief from fans last night.

Idiot fans- what the heck do they expect!

Some might take the opposite view -

''Idiot manager - what the heck does he expect!''

[mystiroakey]

It was the boards decision not to go crazy on players that would attract high wages not holloways.

[CFCNick]

Whose decision was it to spend £5m on Gayle??? I mean, he might show promise but he's 20 and just got relegated from the bloody Championship!!!

[GSC]

I think you have to be realistic as a fan in this situation.

Palace vastly overachieved last season compared to their ability level. No shame in that. Added to that, of their 2 best players, one left and the other wont play until 2014.

They aren't a rich side and as such whatever they get from this season is really a bonus

[GSC]

Andros Townsend was relegated last season.

Who would want him.

[mystiroakey]

No wages is the clear concern. He is young and that 5 million is still 5 mill on the balance sheet. Spending high wages is the bigger concern over spending on one young talent who we could still pay low wages for . Who should still be about if we go down. Or be sold for close to that amount anyway.

[Nakatomi Plaza]

Just heard holloway wants to resign over getting grief from fans last night.

Idiot fans- what the heck do they expect!

I doubt this is the case, but if it is Holloway needs to man up. Every manager will have a handful of fans wanting him out at any time, and emotions would have been running high at full time last night.

Think some of the criticism about Holloway's tactics are unfair. I've only seen Palace four times this season, and apart from last night they've lost due to a mixture of individual errors, and being on the wrong end of marginal decisions.

vs Spurs they were unlucky to concede the penalty. Chamakh bottled a challenge at Stoke when leading. Jedinak gave a sloppy pass at Old trafford that lead  to the Young penalty incident.

Unless the board are withholding a mountain of cash in January, I can't see a better manager than Holloway wanting to go to Selhurst.

[mystiroakey]

It's true .. he does need to man up. Your right you will allways get a section like that when things go bad..

[CFCNick]

Andros Townsend was relegated last season.

Who would want him.

Townsend has been in the Spurs team for years and was on loan in the Premier League. Very different from Dwight Gayle being inexperienced and not even good enough to keep his side in the Championship.

[GSC]

Good players can play in bad teams

[CFCNick]

I don't care how good he might be. You don't spend that much money on somebody like Dwight Gayle unless you're an already established Prem team like when Blackburn signed Stead. It's a madness move for a newly promoted side. They could have bought two better strikers for the same amount.

[GSC]

I don't care how good he might be.

And we're done here

[CFCNick]

I mean how he turns out. I don't rate him at all. You have to admit that kind of purchase is a ridiculous risk for a newly promoted club to make.

[mystiroakey]

I don't care how good he might be. You don't spend that much money on somebody like Dwight Gayle unless you're an already established Prem team like when Blackburn signed Stead. It's a madness move for a newly promoted side. They could have bought two better strikers for the same amount.

I dont think you understand the point made-If you buy two 'better' strikers you would have to pay 4 times the wages!!and you have to find them !!! for 2.5 mill each and they have to want to come..

And he is still an asset on the balance sheet and due to him being so young means that value should stick even if he only plays average!!

[guildfordbat]

Mysti - I don't know nearly enough about the background to and cause of Palace's current situation but, boy, have they got problems and their manager doesn't seem to be instilling much confidence!

Looking very much from the outside, Holloway seems to have substantially increased the size of his squad but not its quality and effectiveness. [Reminds me of the response to an impatient director who wanted to solve a work problem by just throwing resources at it - ''You may give me nine women but I still can't give you a baby in a month!''  ] Holloway seems as far away as ever from knowing his best team. Meanwhile, with him continually chopping and changing his selections, the players are suffering as they are not getting long enough to form any real understanding with their their team mates.

Understandably, the attention was mainly given to Fulham's two super strikes last night. However, goals 3 and 4 were dreadful from a defensive viewpoint and should really be a major concern. That will surely continue until a more settled unit is decided upon and regularly picked.

A massive worry would be that many supporters have given up hope of surviving this season in the Premiership after only 8 games. That shows how awful they must think things are. If Palace do get relegated without - at least - an improvement in morale, it will then be incredibly difficult for them to turn things round and get some positive momentum going from day one in the Championship. I'm not saying Palace will be relegated from the Champonship but I certainly don't see a return to the Premiership being nailed on.

I'm no advocate of sacking managers early in the season but I don't believe you can retain someone in the hope or belief that he'll take you back up after what is seen as an inevitable relegation in six months' time.

Perhaps I'm wrong and Holloway will turn things round. However, not many seem to think so. I'm not even sure Holloway does.

[mystiroakey]

TBH guildford I think we only wanted to buy players that could add to the squad and would stay in the squad if(when!!) we go down.. We didn't want to pay high wages for anyone.. We wanted players that would come to the club and want to play for the club- no mercenaries at all.(so someone like gayle was fine- young and expensive but still an asset and cheap wages)

Its a long term plan and we want to just have a better squad next year that has real pl experience and can play a decent brand of football and hopefully do better next time around if we get back up

Due to the fact that palace was almost bust two years ago and the fact that fans bought the club, these fans did not want the same situation to happen again and the fact is we have been promoted 4 times before into the pl but gone back down every year- we have bought bigger name players that only came for the money and then we were stitched up by going down that season..

its a long game plan. It may not work but i think its the prudent and safest one.

getting a new manager isn't the way to go for me . if he is half decent he will demand spending in the window and if we go down(still pretty certain to) he would just ditch us and then go elsewhere., and we may be left with pricey wages and players that dont want to play in the champs.

We are not a qpr that has owners that can bankroll

[guildfordbat]

Mysti - you make very good points about ''prudent and safest'' game plan. The problem I fear is that everyone (directors, manager, players and fans) needs to buy into it and stick with it for it to work. Football and those involved with it are not known for their patience but we both know that.

I'll watch with interest and wish you good luck.

[mystiroakey]

I dont know if its right or not. But these owners were just fans, they are craping themselves that the same situation may happen again.. But at the same time they are very good businessmen!

They didn't even want to buy the club, they wanted a rich owner that could really push the club forwards. but they just saved the club!! if it wasn't for them palace wouldn't exist!!

Something all the palace fans need to remember..

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I mean how he turns out. I don't rate him at all. You have to admit that kind of purchase is a ridiculous risk for a newly promoted club to make.

Not really.

Pretty much just did what us and Swansea did when we came up, bought from the lower leagues, I mean we spent £2m on a winger from League 1 with a broken leg

[NickisBHAFC]

I really rated Gayle last season he looked class, but he has done little to show he is a Premiership player this season, especially for A LOT of money spent on a player who was apart of a side relegated to league one. But i recon he will be a good player in the future, would help if he was in a better side as well.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It'd probably help if he was played in his proper position as well tbf

[mystiroakey]

he is 20 olley therefore he doesn't even have one[proper position] as of yet, 

wherever he goes and for the next few years he will be playing in different places.

And murray is coming back soon so it will certainly continue.

He is doing ok tbf, its a tough step up. i am sure he will produce more

[Hammersmith harrier]

To be honest guys I don't think many fans of the bigger teams quite understand the dealings of the lower table sides and Nick is a good example of that. Crystal Palace would probably get relegated regardless of who they bought and as Mysti points out you need to consider wages in this, your top six teams don't need to worry about such things. So with the knowledge they're probably going straight back down you buy young with potential rather than old but not that great anyway.

For a team like Palace building for the future is the main aim if they managed to stay up then that would be a huge bonus to them.

[CFCNick]

I also keep tabs on Northampton Town, harrier. So I'm not just a bonehead Chelsea fan.

[GSC]

Despite appearances

[Hammersmith harrier]

I didn't think there was any other kind of Chelsea fan.

[Guest]

Kimberley is frakking disgusting. She's so arrogant, hates criticism, and bitches so much about the other contestants. I'd rather Ruby wins tbh.

But for me, it's Frances FTW. She's more creative than all the other bakers put together!

Spoiler:

[mystiroakey]

just watched it.. it was fixed..worse than the barca v chelsea semi final

[Guest]

Get lost, how was it fixed? Everyone except me was saying that the other two would win

[Duty281]

Baking...again?

[mystiroakey]

Nah just kidding dude.. Good final , deserved win and all that

[Stella]

Kimberley is frakking disgusting. She's so arrogant, hates criticism, and bitches so much about the other contestants. I'd rather Ruby wins tbh.

But for me, it's Frances FTW. She's more creative than all the other bakers put together!

Spoiler:

Well called Azzy  

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