Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

by GSC Sat 26 Oct 2013, 9:49 pm

First topic message reminder :

It was always going to be hard for Hughton.

The Norwich family never really took to him as one of their own

by Champagne_Socialist Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:06 pm

I agree, Rooney plays too deep which stops link up play between him and rvp.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:12 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I think either duo would massively improve Chelsea but as a United fan I wouldn't swap in anybody for RVP and Rooney.
Not even Ronaldo?

Not a player in United's squad I wouldn't swap out to have him back......

I meant strikeforce in the premier league Toppy, sorry for the confusion.

CFCNick

Stop being so biased, your strikers flop because you buy them well past their best and your manager himself thought Rooney a better option than Torres and Eto'o hence his very public pursuit. Swap Torres for Van Persie and slot Rooney in behind and your team would be much improved.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:16 pm

If Moyes can work on how Kagawa and Rooney play together then I think United will flourish. It will mean one is always closer to the end product, but at the moment they are in each others way too much

by mystiroakey Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:20 pm

Chelsea plus rooney and RVP > bayern

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:27 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If Moyes can work on how Kagawa and Rooney play together then I think United will flourish. It will mean one is always closer to the end product, but at the moment they are in each others way too much

Not sure if you can accommodate the pair into the same team, we generally play with wide men so starting with both would leave the centre of midfield even more vulnerable than it is. The only way would be to drop Rooney back into central midfield saying that but it would be a waste of his attacking talents. Unfortunately for Kagawa I see no future for him at the club and it's exactly why I wasn't concerned at missing out on Ozil because the same problem would arise but you'd then have one player to fit into one position.

by mystiroakey Wed 30 Oct 2013, 7:30 pm

kawaga looked promising in europe but then v stoke! he looked pretty low level..

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 30 Oct 2013, 10:57 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastles-alan-pardew-interested-crystal-2657026#.UnGL36ZmKRc.twitter

Interesting...

by NickisBHAFC Wed 30 Oct 2013, 11:00 pm

Good a manager i already hate, managing a club i really hate!!!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 30 Oct 2013, 11:06 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If Moyes can work on how Kagawa and Rooney play together then I think United will flourish. It will mean one is always closer to the end product, but at the moment they are in each others way too much
Not sure if you can accommodate the pair into the same team, we generally play with wide men so starting with both would leave the centre of midfield even more vulnerable than it is. The only way would be to drop Rooney back into central midfield saying that but it would be a waste of his attacking talents. Unfortunately for Kagawa I see no future for him at the club and it's exactly why I wasn't concerned at missing out on Ozil because the same problem would arise but you'd then have one player to fit into one position.

Moyes' Everton system was built with one wider man then Pienaar in the inside winger role, not really a winger as such. Much like most teams nowadays in the Premier League.

I think there is a fit, but you've just got to drill them into noticing the others pattern of play until its natural. If you take Kagawa as a better version of Pienaar, then Rooney drifting more to the right but centrally free behind RVP, it should come to work. Not gonna work without minutes together. Its how a trio of Cazorla, Ozil and Walcott will work for Arsenal.

by mystiroakey Thu 31 Oct 2013, 7:18 am

I think pardew will come off. He lives near palace and as the second longest manager in the prem . Time for him to get sacked.

Seriously if it wasn't palace ( who he is well linked at allready and he knows the new owners) I wouldnr want him sacked from Newcastle. But as it's palace yep he is he perfect manager for us

Nick . Being a Brighton fan that hates palace reminds me of a scientologist .

This rivallry isn't real dude. And you don't have to just hate fans because of who you support..

Get yourself deprogrammed dude

by TopHat24/7 Thu 31 Oct 2013, 9:28 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:If Moyes can work on how Kagawa and Rooney play together then I think United will flourish. It will mean one is always closer to the end product, but at the moment they are in each others way too much
Not sure if you can accommodate the pair into the same team, we generally play with wide men so starting with both would leave the centre of midfield even more vulnerable than it is. The only way would be to drop Rooney back into central midfield saying that but it would be a waste of his attacking talents. Unfortunately for Kagawa I see no future for him at the club and it's exactly why I wasn't concerned at missing out on Ozil because the same problem would arise but you'd then have one player to fit into one position.

Problem is our wide men are utter crap - so why force into a system we don't have the players for rather than working out a system that makes the most of our best players??

by TopoftheChops Thu 31 Oct 2013, 1:18 pm

Brighton-Palace has to be one of the worst derbies in the football league.

by NickisBHAFC Thu 31 Oct 2013, 5:17 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:Brighton-Palace has to be one of the worst derbies in the football league.

If you know the history its not. Yes the geographical side of things, doesn't make it you're typical derby, but both sides very much hate each other.

We don't even have any rivals in our county, as were the only side really! We like all the little clubs.

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by GSC Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:05 pm

Brighton palace sounds like Forest Leicester

They have no real rivalry so try hard to tack onto forest derby

by mystiroakey Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:12 pm

But we don't hate each other nick.. it's all panto.

by TopoftheChops Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:29 pm

Ipswich and Norwich is one of the biggest in the country even though they are 40 miles away, I guess you are right in that context. Surely Palace have always been better than brighton though?

by mystiroakey Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:35 pm

The point is though. This rivallry dates back before nick was born. . Since then it's been pretty friendly bar the odd banter charity golf day between fans..And palace has 3 other rivalries.

West ham
Charlton
Millwall

by GSC Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:42 pm

I don't think anyone that has to buy 2 cards for their father and brother cares about Norwich Ipswich

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 6:57 pm

My personal opinion with Brighton is that their sudden rise in stature and having a nice ground bringing in some of the fair weather sort means that they need a rivalry to cling to. Palace is it.

I wouldnt say Palace are considered a rival at West Ham.

by TopoftheChops Thu 31 Oct 2013, 8:03 pm

GSC wrote:I don't think anyone that has to buy 2 cards for their father and brother cares about Norwich Ipswich

It's bigger than Forest-Derby...

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 8:20 pm

Is it?

by GSC Thu 31 Oct 2013, 8:40 pm

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 8:49 pm

Getting back to relevant matters...

Appears Alex Tettey might have to have surgery, which is quite the blow for us. Been hitting the form he had pre-injury last year, and this means Bradley Johnson will probably play which is never a good thing

by TopoftheChops Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:23 pm

Olly wrote:Getting back to relevant matters...

Appears Alex Tettey might have to have surgery, which is quite the blow for us. Been hitting the form he had pre-injury last year, and this means Bradley Johnson will probably play which is never a good thing

Don't play Johnson, play David fox! David Fox will save you from relegation!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:32 pm

TopoftheChops wrote:
Olly wrote:Getting back to relevant matters...

Appears Alex Tettey might have to have surgery, which is quite the blow for us. Been hitting the form he had pre-injury last year, and this means Bradley Johnson will probably play which is never a good thing
Don't play Johnson, play David fox! David Fox will save you from relegation!

Well I would prefer to play Fox, but there's a slight problem in that he is currently at Barnsley on loan, ready to tear you to pieces tomorrow night live on Sky Wink

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:51 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/31/cardiff-city-etien-velikonja-malky-mackay?CMP=twt_gu

There be a storm a brewin in the Valleys

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 31 Oct 2013, 11:09 pm

Thats actually a ton of nothing. We bring in Chairman's punts on occasion. Bringing in a player is no problem, its getting rid thats the nightmare

by GSC Fri 01 Nov 2013, 7:04 am

They sacked mackays best friend at the club and replaced him with a guy who can't get a visa. More than slightly nothing

by GSC Fri 01 Nov 2013, 7:29 am

If I were a Cardiff fan, it's approaching the point where is be fed up with Tan

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 9:24 am

Yeah if I'm a Cardiff fan I'm slightly worried that this guy is buying players, he seems a bit mental.

Gold/Sullivan are at least renowned football men

by TopoftheChops Fri 01 Nov 2013, 9:31 am

malky for norwich?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 9:51 am

I'm not sure I see that happening, I mean really he plays the same mentality of football that Hughton does, and while the fans love him obviously, general feeling is that would be better off not happening.

I'm still convinced we'll make a run at Lennon from Celtic...

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 11:42 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:My personal opinion with Brighton is that their sudden rise in stature and having a nice ground bringing in some of the fair weather sort means that they need a rivalry to cling to. Palace is it.

I wouldnt say Palace are considered a rival at West Ham.

Palace over the last 25 yrs have been a lot better at peak than all the other 4 mentioned including west ham.

However us west ham, palace , Millwall and Charlton fans all live in close proximately and if you are from urban areas you will know many fans from all. And each game is a derby.

It is only recently that west ham have got better than palace.

palace and west ham are by far the bigger 2 clubs out of these 5 mentioned based on time in the top leagues!

The fact that palace dont really have a main rivalry themselves- means you might as well lump the teams that hate us with a passion(that think they have a rivalry with us). And that includes, west ham, Charlton, Brighton and off course(probably the real rivalry)_ MILLWALL.

Although Millwall have never been or will never be in palaces league. and palace are not in west hams at the moment.

But trust me on this if palace beat west ham- they will be more gutted than losing any other game- and that is not just because of our lack of quality- its because there is history between the two sets of fans.

Brighton have one derby=.. palace have 4 BUT none are even close to a real true rivalry(Tottenham / arsernal)

by compelling and rich Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:05 pm

early 90's is the only time i can think of that i would have considered palace better than west ham. even then there wasnt much in it

by TopHat24/7 Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:10 pm

compelling and rich wrote:early 90's is the only time i can think of that i would have considered palace better than west ham. even then there wasnt much in it

Ditto. Back when they had the Wright & Bright combo up front.

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:45 pm

compelling and rich wrote:early 90's is the only time i can think of that i would have considered palace better than west ham. even then there wasnt much in it

/headsgone.

talk about just making stuff up for the heck of it.

At palaces peak(top 3 in the top division) WEST HAM were in a lower league

since then and until 2005 - both teams were very similar,

However the killer blow was probably when palace beat west ham in the play off final and went up. Next season palace went down and west ham went up and stuck there(well done hammers)

Palace went crazy trying to stick in the PL and due to that almost went bust a couple of years ago, we spiralled out of control and got worse. This is one reason why the owners today are not doing anything stupid.

west ham last 8 years- much better, before then (within my memorable lifetime- very similar but palace had more highs- 3rd in division 1(PL equivalent)).

but what i can say for fact is that over these years palace have been closer in quality to west ham over Brighton ,Millwall or Charlton!!

West ham will certainly not see us as a threat!
However you ask any west ham fan which game they would hate to lose the most. It would be palace..

Rivalries are about fans, and sometimes certain fans of the same club feel differently. I know plenty of older palace fans that really hate brighton(not many young ones like nick)

personally it has never stuck with me- because until recently we never even played them!! I have been to plenty of west ham palace games(when i used to go) and the atmosphere was allways buzzing. It was allways a massive fixture for both sets of fans.

by NickisBHAFC Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:54 pm

mystiroakey wrote:The point is though. This rivallry dates back before nick was born. . Since then it's been pretty friendly bar the odd banter charity golf day between fans..And palace has 3 other rivalries.

West ham
Charlton
Millwall

That's rubbish, yes palace hate Millwalll (don't we all!!) but i know a lot of people who support palace, and them and there dads etc class as there rivals. Im not getting into this as im hanging out my ass atm! But we do have a fierce rivalry, couldn't care less if other sides care or not about it, because its OUR rivalry, nothing to do with other clubs! No one cares about Charlton.

Leyton Orient, think there is a rivalry with us (who are they Laugh

) We also have a rivalry with Southampton and for non geographical reasons, there has never been any love loss with Leeds.

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:59 pm

Nick - I went to Charlton Millwall recently with a Millwall fan.

As a palace fan i couldn't believe what I heard. Charlton fans at one end singing how much they hate palace, then the Millwall crew got involved singing about the 'stripy Nigels'. You couldn't make it up..

They care about hating us when we dont even play them..

by NickisBHAFC Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:01 pm

Yeah Charlton hate palace, but palace don't care about them no one does lol thats why we sing to them

NO ONE HATES YOU
NO ONE HATES YOU
NO ONE HATES YOU
NO ONE CARES

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:03 pm

So True! LOL

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:10 pm

I used to go this pub in Greenwich.
Half the bar Millwall fans used to drink and the other half Charlton fans used to drink. Then there was also a few tables were palace fans used to drink.

It was a great football pub to drink in, rarely any trouble but great banter between the sets of fans.

That is the thing about Brighton.

WE rarely see each other in every normal day life(everyone in between Croydon and Brighton seem to support Man U(cough!!) So it doesn't really add to the passion. The rivalry is based on being passed down from older fans or family.. Mine is more about previous experience..

by compelling and rich Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:16 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:early 90's is the only time i can think of that i would have considered palace better than west ham. even then there wasnt much in it
/headsgone.

talk about just making stuff up for the heck of it.

At palaces peak(top 3 in the top division) WEST HAM were in a lower league

since then and until 2005 - both teams were very similar,

However the killer blow was probably when palace beat west ham in the play off final and went up. Next season palace went down and west ham went up and stuck there(well done hammers)

Palace went crazy trying to stick in the PL and due to that almost went bust a couple of years ago, we spiralled out of control and got worse. This is one reason why the owners today are not doing anything stupid.

west ham last 8 years- much better, before then (within my memorable lifetime- very similar but palace had more highs- 3rd in division 1(PL equivalent)).

but what i can say for fact is that over these years palace have been closer in quality to west ham over Brighton ,Millwall or Charlton!!

West ham will certainly not see us as a threat!
However you ask any west ham fan which game they would hate to lose the most. It would be palace..

Rivalries are about fans, and sometimes certain fans of the same club feel differently. I know plenty of older palace fans that really hate brighton(not many young ones like nick)

personally it has never stuck with me- because until recently we never even played them!! I have been to plenty of west ham palace games(when i used to go) and the atmosphere was allways buzzing. It was allways a massive fixture for both sets of fans.

Yet couple of seasons after you were 3rd you got relegated and west ham were promoted, so cant have been much between you

The west ham fabs ive spoke with (not loads I admit) have always considered millwall and chelsea more of a rival than palace

by compelling and rich Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:24 pm

Also since that one off season, in all time premiership points west ham are 11th best team while palace are 33rd. Suggests there has been quite a difference during the prem era

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:28 pm

Compelling I wouldn't expect you to understand the fan politics of south east/east London clubs and you wouldn't get me talking to you about the manc scouse rivalries either.

The only west ham fans you will get that are rivals with the Millwall ones are not even footy fans.. There are 100% hooligan/firm orientated and only represent a small percentage of fans..

And in regards to Chelsea-I could argue that that is way more ridiculous based on the respective teams qualities.

but Chelsea also have a firm dont they. so maybe the fans you talked to are at the lower scale of the 'football' fan

That or you get all your info from films like the football factory and green street!

by Stella Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:40 pm

Don't Charlton and west ham have a fierce rivalry? I ask this purely on the Defoe transfer.

by Roller_Coaster Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:41 pm

Isn't West Ham Spurs a biggy (for some unfathomable reason outside the loop I admit)?

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:44 pm

Yes west ham and Charlton historically have a rivalry due to being local.(other sides of the river)

that is how the majority of rivalries happened back in the day. Back in that day off course Arsenal was also a south London club and very close to Charlton

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:48 pm

Sorry Mysti, Palace would be nowhere near the game west ham fans least want to lose. Millwall, Spurs and Chelsea always the top three.

In recent history, our lowest points have generally been what would be considered a reasonably good average for yourselves. I'd say Palace were above the rest, maybe even Fulham apart from the last 10 years, but even in the 11 or so years before my time that you err alive, we had a team that won the fa cup and nearly won the old first division.

Even for me, Millwall rank above Spurs and that is coming from someone who didn't see the sides meet till my teens really. Chelsea's money has made them less interesting because there's not as much competition between us.

Palace are likely near Charlton (who's hatred of Millwall makes them far less hated) and above Fulham and then the surrounding sides, but I would say at the moment more people would e annoyed to lose to Orient.

This isn't a positional thing as such, Millwall are a real rank below, but I have never heard a West Ham fan really care about Palace, and my father is a hammer

by CFCNick Fri 01 Nov 2013, 1:53 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:The point is though. This rivallry dates back before nick was born. . Since then it's been pretty friendly bar the odd banter charity golf day between fans..And palace has 3 other rivalries.

West ham
Charlton
Millwall
That's rubbish, yes palace hate Millwalll (don't we all!!) but i know a lot of people who support palace, and them and there dads etc class as there rivals. Im not getting into this as im hanging out my ass atm! But we do have a fierce rivalry, couldn't care less if other sides care or not about it, because its OUR rivalry, nothing to do with other clubs! No one cares about Charlton.

Leyton Orient, think there is a rivalry with us (who are they ) We also have a rivalry with Southampton and for non geographical reasons, there has never been any love loss with Leeds.

Nice choice of words for a Brighton fan drumroll

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