Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

by GSC Sat 26 Oct 2013, 9:49 pm

First topic message reminder :

It was always going to be hard for Hughton.

The Norwich family never really took to him as one of their own

by CFCNick Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:03 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Compelling I wouldn't expect you to understand the fan politics of south east/east London clubs and you wouldn't get me talking to you about the manc scouse rivalries either.

The only west ham fans you will get that are rivals with the Millwall ones are not even footy fans.. There are 100% hooligan/firm orientated and only represent a small percentage of fans..

And in regards to Chelsea-I could argue that that is way more ridiculous based on the respective teams qualities.

but Chelsea also have a firm dont they. so maybe the fans you talked to are at the lower scale of the 'football' fan

That or you get all your info from films like the football factory and green street!

I'll step in as a Chelsea fan. We generally feel ill feelings toward West Ham and Spurs the most. Arsenal has always been a a rival but from what I can tell from older fans and watching old matches it has only heated as we've gotten better in the last 25 years where as the other two have always been fierce hate.

Fulham and QPR hate us but they're seen as our little scrappy brothers and that angers them more. Especially QPR.

Personally the biggest rival for me is Spurs then Arsenal and West Ham (when in the Prem no matter the quality of squad it's always a tasty game) equal.

I'd say West Ham are above Liverpool and United in the rivalry ladder.

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:06 pm

Dolphin to me in my generation west ham(over Brighton) is much more relevant as both teams were yo yo clubs, both teams played each other. and due to being local- we had great atmospheres at games..

the generation before mine wasn't really about the football when it came to rivalries- but palace were allways out of that anyway and had no firm to speak off.

The whole chelsea, Tottenham, Millwall west ham thing wasn't about football anyway. And hopefully these xenophobic firm based 'rivalries' will become a thing of the past.

Anyway as the Scottish will tell you it doesn't really matter what the other team thinks, its about what there set of fans think.

To England , Scotland are not a rivalry. But to Scotland we couldn't be bigger.

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:10 pm

CFCNick wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Compelling I wouldn't expect you to understand the fan politics of south east/east London clubs and you wouldn't get me talking to you about the manc scouse rivalries either.

The only west ham fans you will get that are rivals with the Millwall ones are not even footy fans.. There are 100% hooligan/firm orientated and only represent a small percentage of fans..

And in regards to Chelsea-I could argue that that is way more ridiculous based on the respective teams qualities.

but Chelsea also have a firm dont they. so maybe the fans you talked to are at the lower scale of the 'football' fan

That or you get all your info from films like the football factory and green street!
I'll step in as a Chelsea fan. We generally feel ill feelings toward West Ham and Spurs the most. Arsenal has always been a a rival but from what I can tell from older fans and watching old matches it has only heated as we've gotten better in the last 25 years where as the other two have always been fierce hate.

Fulham and QPR hate us but they're seen as our little scrappy brothers and that angers them more. Especially QPR.

Personally the biggest rival for me is Spurs then Arsenal and West Ham (when in the Prem no matter the quality of squad it's always a tasty game) equal.

I'd say West Ham are above Liverpool and United in the rivalry ladder.

Nick I have a feeling you and the majority off chelsea fans today dont care about those rivalries though and care more about the big games( be it citeh , arsernal, united, bayern, barca!!)

by Breadvan Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:15 pm

Olly wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/31/cardiff-city-etien-velikonja-malky-mackay?CMP=twt_gu

There be a storm a brewin in the Valleys

I hope so, especially after the Swans win on Sunday Smile

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:16 pm

I agree wholeheartedly that its not on standing, but obviously the more you have to play a team, or maybe the less you get to play another, that affects things.

I would say Palace would hate us more than Brighton, we hold more relevance until very recently. But, and not bigging us up, it's Millwall Spuds and Chelsea for us. General hate for Arsenal and some older Man united fans still hate us for how hard we tried the day Blackburn won the league cos United couldnt beat us.

I can't wait to start travelling away. Took over 2000 to Burnley, file the stand, for a league cup game with a weakened side two days after the Swansea trip. Heroes

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:21 pm

I want the double on west ham.. That would make the season for me Wink

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:28 pm

I'm very annoyed Holloway got sacked. We were guaranteed six points against a Holloway side, Sam has the man for breakfast

by mystiroakey Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:29 pm

why do you think he got sacked?

He quit

by westisbest Fri 01 Nov 2013, 2:49 pm

Speaking of West Ham, the Villa boys roll into town tomorrow.
Was there last season, were u there Dolphin?

The hottest day i can remember, wasn't much fun trying to get a beer. Nightmare.

Have a feeling tomorrow will be the same, hate to say.
Hammers winning it by the odd goal.

Although we do play better away from home.

Looking forward to the welsh derby to.

by CFCNick Fri 01 Nov 2013, 5:13 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
CFCNick wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Compelling I wouldn't expect you to understand the fan politics of south east/east London clubs and you wouldn't get me talking to you about the manc scouse rivalries either.

The only west ham fans you will get that are rivals with the Millwall ones are not even footy fans.. There are 100% hooligan/firm orientated and only represent a small percentage of fans..

And in regards to Chelsea-I could argue that that is way more ridiculous based on the respective teams qualities.

but Chelsea also have a firm dont they. so maybe the fans you talked to are at the lower scale of the 'football' fan

That or you get all your info from films like the football factory and green street!
I'll step in as a Chelsea fan. We generally feel ill feelings toward West Ham and Spurs the most. Arsenal has always been a a rival but from what I can tell from older fans and watching old matches it has only heated as we've gotten better in the last 25 years where as the other two have always been fierce hate.

Fulham and QPR hate us but they're seen as our little scrappy brothers and that angers them more. Especially QPR.

Personally the biggest rival for me is Spurs then Arsenal and West Ham (when in the Prem no matter the quality of squad it's always a tasty game) equal.

I'd say West Ham are above Liverpool and United in the rivalry ladder.
Nick I have a feeling you and the majority off chelsea fans today dont care about those rivalries though and care more about the big games( be it citeh , arsernal, united, bayern, barca!!)

They're just big games with big outcomes. Not as intense as playing Spurs and West Ham though. I like to beat the teams you mentioned but there's an electricity about games with Spurs and West Ham.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 8:02 pm

westisbest wrote:Speaking of West Ham, the Villa boys roll into town tomorrow.
Was there last season, were u there Dolphin?

The hottest day i can remember, wasn't much fun trying to get a beer. Nightmare.

Have a feeling tomorrow will be the same, hate to say.
Hammers winning it by the odd goal.

Although we do play better away from home.

Looking forward to the welsh derby to.

I cant remember if I was, I think I let my mother go like I usually do for first game of the season. It was a dull, dull game I remember that.

I think its a game we'd win with Carroll and a game we'll lose tomorrow. No striker, no pace in midfield. Downing will be key

by NickisBHAFC Fri 01 Nov 2013, 11:25 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I agree wholeheartedly that its not on standing, but obviously the more you have to play a team, or maybe the less you get to play another, that affects things.

I would say Palace would hate us more than Brighton, we hold more relevance until very recently. But, and not bigging us up, it's Millwall Spuds and Chelsea for us. General hate for Arsenal and some older Man united fans still hate us for how hard we tried the day Blackburn won the league cos United couldnt beat us.

I can't wait to start travelling away. Took over 2000 to Burnley, file the stand, for a league cup game with a weakened side two days after the Swansea trip. Heroes

Im just going to agree because i really can't be asked to disagree lol

by Guest Fri 01 Nov 2013, 11:37 pm

Chelsea game tomorrow for us, will probably end in a defeat. Hopefully the boys can put the same effort, passion & commitment into the performance as they have done recently. Remy or Cabaye are going to have to do something special to get anything out of this one.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 01 Nov 2013, 11:51 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I agree wholeheartedly that its not on standing, but obviously the more you have to play a team, or maybe the less you get to play another, that affects things.

I would say Palace would hate us more than Brighton, we hold more relevance until very recently. But, and not bigging us up, it's Millwall Spuds and Chelsea for us. General hate for Arsenal and some older Man united fans still hate us for how hard we tried the day Blackburn won the league cos United couldnt beat us.

I can't wait to start travelling away. Took over 2000 to Burnley, file the stand, for a league cup game with a weakened side two days after the Swansea trip. Heroes

Im just going to agree because i really can't be asked to disagree lol

Firstly, dont every say asked as a*sed. Its a depressing trend.

Secondly, my argument is valid. You have been a stain on the bottom of their shoe for many years, even when they havent been impressive themselves. Most people fight upwards in rivalries too, its from aspiration to succeed and hatred of someone you dislike doing so more than yourselves.

You are clinging to a rivalry that most feel is engineered based on people remembering it once meant something. Something you will never have been a part of. Whilst Brighton fans stewed on it in their tiny stadium, feeling the world was unjust and they should be flying where that dirty Palace were, Palace didnt give two hoots what Brighton were doing. Its like when you see a school bully at a reunion 20 years later "Oi, Billy, I think you should apologise for when you put blu-tack in my hair, you pig!" "What? Did I? Oh, sorry about that".

I dont know if they do hate us, frankly it wasnt something I was aware of till Mysti mentioned it, but I could understand why to some extent. Id have assumed they had taken a rivalry up with Millwall and Charlton more, but I dont keep up. The way you talk about Palace is very contrived though. Even in your two best years you do realise that a Palace side riddled with problems and not one that would usually have been of note to many fans could still top your achievements and get promoted?

by Hulking_up Sat 02 Nov 2013, 11:50 am

TopoftheChops wrote:Ipswich and Norwich

I'd like to throw in Cambridge/Peterborough being a bigger rivalry in East Anglia.

by westisbest Sat 02 Nov 2013, 11:59 am

Well we have no left back today, so that's not a good start.
Possibly Clark to fill in at lb.

Also Gabby is a doubt.

Tekkers needs to get back scoring.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:16 pm

1-1 or 0-1 Id say, dont think it'll be an exciting one anyway West

by GSC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:24 pm

I do agree with the sentiment that as Brighton have become more relevant, more fans have flocked to them and look for a rivalry, hence bigging up their palace rivalry. I don't think it's that big at all really

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:39 pm

Yep good points dolphin.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:45 pm

My 3 fold today all away wins.Villa, Liverpool and my pick of the bunch Sunderland.

About 37/1

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:28 pm

GSC wrote:I do agree with the sentiment that as Brighton have become more relevant, more fans have flocked to them and look for a rivalry, hence bigging up their palace rivalry. I don't think it's that big at all really

Yeah because have Brighton have been a small club since 1901. Do some research mate

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:30 pm

Been a boring game between Newcastle and Chelsea so far.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:31 pm

Nick you are right pal. This rivalry is real for many. But not all and we cant expect other fans to really look at it like a Rangers v Celtic, Arsernal v Tottenham, United v Pool type thing.

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:47 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Nick you are right pal. This rivalry is real for many. But not all and we cant expect other fans to really look at it like a Rangers v Celtic, Arsernal v Tottenham, United v Pool type thing.

Thank you!!! End of this debate now ... please! Like i said before i would be shocked if people did take interest in our derby, i couldn't care less about Forest v Derby, Burnley v Blackburn, Norwich v Ipswich, Carlise vs Hartlepool etc!!!!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:50 pm

Oh, so Preston are a massive club now too?

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:52 pm

What?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:52 pm

Do some research

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:52 pm

Nick this debate is never over for you!!

But more important things to consider !

Football! Rugby league, UNION, F1 Smile

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 1:54 pm

Anyway, Newcastle have reverted to Pardew panic type now. Ambition is gone

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:00 pm

What a run by Shola Ameobi. That has woken the crowd up!!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:01 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh, so Preston are a massive club now too?

Huddersfield too Dolph

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:03 pm

Newcastle looking more likely to score, go on the toon!!!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:07 pm

Why has he taken off Mata and left Hazard/Oscar on?! They've done literally nowt

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:08 pm

Chelsea going for a draw !!

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:10 pm

GOAL!!!!!

Newcastle 1-0 Chelsea. What a cross by Cabaye, met well by Gouffran, well deserved lead for Newcastle.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:11 pm

Its worked then... censored

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:14 pm

Who said Remy was rubbish? Bloke is tearing Chelsea apart!!! Been a superb signing for Newcastle

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:18 pm

Oh my.

hehe. Come on Toon army!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:18 pm

"Youre just a sh*t Coloccini" - very well done Toon

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:21 pm

Great defending and goalkeeping there!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:22 pm

Diame on the bench against a young and fast Villa team...

Thats a loss

by GSC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:28 pm

No cutting edge for Chelsea

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:30 pm

GOAL!!!!

Newcastle 2-0 Chelsea. Cracking finish by Remy!!!!!

St James Park has exploded!!!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:30 pm

Remy strikes again. Top finisher, just wonderful

by Guest Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:31 pm

UNBELIEVABLE RESULT! REMY U BEAUTY! YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

by NickisBHAFC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:32 pm

GSC wrote:No cutting edge for Chelsea

I think its more Newcastle have defended like warriors!

by GSC Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:34 pm

This might settle down the midweek bravado about a COC win

by Guest Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:39 pm

What a result! Lads are showing real commitment & passion for the cause at the moment. Onto 14 points, not too bad.

by Guest Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:40 pm

i can see us drawing 1-1 with villa today

by Fernando Sat 02 Nov 2013, 2:57 pm

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, talking to BT Sport: "I didn't like it. I think we deserved to lose. We had a couple of good chances to score the equaliser but they were in the game more than us, they fought more than us and they were much more committed than us. They were the best team on the pitch, if someone had to win, I think it was Newcastle not us.

"The game was quite easy to play in the first half but we were not sharp, we were not intense with the ball. So we let the game go, waiting for a chance to score a goal or a chance to concede and lose it and that is exactly what I was telling the players at half-time."

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