Is the German league 'better' than the English league?

So is the German league better than the EPL?

Bayern Munich beat Man city in England in the champions league
Dortmund beat Arsenal in the champions league in England
Chelsea beat Schalke in the champions league in Germany

The average cheapest tickets in the german league are cheaper than the average cheapest tickets in the EPL

The average most expensive tickets in the EPL are cheaper than the average most expensive tickets in the EPL

Alcohol is allowed to be consumed in the stands in the german league whilst in the epl it is banned.

Standing sections are allowed in the german league whilst in the epl it is not allowed

The current champions of Europe are from the German league.

The current supercup champions are from the German league

So is the German league in the year 2013 a 'better' league than the EPL?

Nope.

One word why: Depth.

Duty281 wrote:Nope.

One word why: Depth.

Depth in what sense

And does depth in the epl totally trump the german leagues cheaper tickets, standing sections, strong performances in Europe, best team in the world?

Depth in that our lower teams would beat their lower teams.

The Bundesliga is all about the fan experience. Very American but better than what Americans get at their sporting events. Not only is the ticket for a Bundesliga game cheaper than the PL it also includes free transport on busses and trains that head toward the stadium the ticket is for.

Bayern only won the Super Cup by a whisker so it's very close.

It's just another version of La Liga (3/4 teams that match well vs the top PL sides) but better setup financially. If a club goes into trouble they get kicked out of the league. No points deductions or relegation. The whole league depends on each other. This is the only aspect that makes it better than the PL.

CFCNick wrote:Depth in that our lower teams would beat their lower teams.

The Bundesliga is all about the fan experience. Very American but better than what Americans get at their sporting events. Not only is the ticket for a Bundesliga game cheaper than the PL it also includes free transport on busses and trains that head toward the stadium the ticket is for.

Bayern only won the Super Cup by a whisker so it's very close.

It's just another version of La Liga (3/4 teams that match well vs the top PL sides) but better setup financially. If a club goes into trouble they get kicked out of the league. No points deductions or relegation. The whole league depends on each other. This is the only aspect that makes it better than the PL.

Would our lower teams beat theirs? I'm not saying they wouldn't but it is purely opinion based as none of our lower league teams or their lower league teams have played each other competitively.

So if the German league is better for fans in that the tickets are cheaper and the experience better (due to standings ections, free transport, alcohol allowed in the stands) and the top teams in the german league are better than the top teams in the epl (based on competitive fixtures and results) what is there that makes the EPL better than the German league. So far the only answer has been a subjective hypothetical opinion that the lower teams in the epl are better than the lower teams in the bundasliga. What other reasons are there that suggest the epl is better?

I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

No explanation needed, the Bundesliga is the best league in the world.

depth & competitiveness sets apart the EPL from the rest. TV deals globally also reveal people would rather watch the EPL than the rest. Yeah, top teams abroad may be technically superior or have more quality but the EPL is without doubt better than it's rival leagues.

Dortmund 6-1 Stuttgart - last night - Lewandowski 18 min hat-trick
Real Madrid 7- 3 Seville - other night - Ronaldo hat-trick

These kind of results showcase the difference between the top of the league to the teams just in mid-table. Doesn't happen in the EPL because of the quality distributed throughout the league. Yeah, happens on the odd occasion but not to the frequency of European leagues where they are basically dominated by two teams.

John wrote:depth & competitiveness sets apart the EPL from the rest. TV deals globally also reveal people would rather watch the EPL than the rest. Yeah, top teams abroad may be technically superior or have more quality but the EPL is without doubt better than it's rival leagues.

Dortmund 6-1 Stuttgart - last night - Lewandowski 18 min hat-trick
Real Madrid 7- 3 Seville - other night - Ronaldo hat-trick

These kind of results showcase the difference between the top of the league to the teams just in mid-table. Doesn't happen in the EPL because of the quality distributed throughout the league. Yeah, happens on the odd occasion but not to the frequency of European leagues where they are basically dominated by two teams.

Manchester United 8-2 Arsenal......

read the next line......

FreekShow wrote:I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

Does it enhance the experience being able to drink whilst watching live sport? the answer will differ depending on who you talk to but I like to have a drink whilst out with a few friends watching live sport.

John wrote:read the next line......

The best team in the world last season was bayern munich and in 8 games they scored 4 goals more than their oppposition in the bundasliga (they also scored 7 goals past barcelona which shows the massive strength and great team that bayern were last season)

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

Does it enhance the experience being able to drink whilst watching live sport? the answer will differ depending on who you talk to but I like to have a drink whilst out with a few friends watching live sport.

For me no and I like a drink as much as the next man but it's down to the individual I suppose.

I think relaxing alcohol laws in football grounds in this country is opening a can of worms.

FreekShow wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

Does it enhance the experience being able to drink whilst watching live sport? the answer will differ depending on who you talk to but I like to have a drink whilst out with a few friends watching live sport.

For me no and I like a drink as much as the next man but it's down to the individual I suppose.

I think relaxing alcohol laws in football grounds in this country is opening a can of worms.

have you ever drank at a football game before?

Alcohol laws are relaxed in Germany and little problems.

What is funny is that FIFA forced Brazil to relax their alcohol laws so that beers can be sold during games at the world cup.

Difference being is that a lot of English fans are just total yobbo's. I personally would not want some of the scum sitting round me at the match drinking too. They are difficult to tolerate at the best if times.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Difference being is that a lot of English fans are just total yobbo's. I personally would not want some of the scum sitting round me at the match drinking too. They are difficult to tolerate at the best if times.

Those scum go out on a saturday night to the clubs and pubs and get into fights, perhaps we should ban alcohol from all public places?

In my opinion alcohol sales in grounds is not the cause of football violence in grounds.

Germany sells alcohol in grounds and there is very little football violence.

Russia PROHIBITS the sale of alcohol in football grounds yet they have a major violene issue.

Brazil PROHIBITS the sale of alcohol in football grounds yet they have a major violene issue.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Difference being is that a lot of English fans are just total yobbo's. I personally would not want some of the scum sitting round me at the match drinking too. They are difficult to tolerate at the best if times.

Those scum go out on a saturday night to the clubs and pubs and get into fights, perhaps we should ban alcohol from all public places?

If you ever end up in a club or pub on a saturday night in Britain, it's nigh-on guaranteed to be full of immature tw@s who have had too much to drink, because it's "cool" and "social" and/or they're trying to get laid because alcohol gives you "confidence".

Yep should ban alcohol from all public places.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

Does it enhance the experience being able to drink whilst watching live sport? the answer will differ depending on who you talk to but I like to have a drink whilst out with a few friends watching live sport.

For me no and I like a drink as much as the next man but it's down to the individual I suppose.

I think relaxing alcohol laws in football grounds in this country is opening a can of worms.

have you ever drank at a football game before?

Alcohol laws are relaxed in Germany and little problems.

What is funny is that FIFA forced Brazil to relax their alcohol laws so that beers can be sold during games at the world cup.

No, have never felt the need to.

Like I said if folk can't go a couple of hours without alcohol then there's something wrong.

FreekShow wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:I've never understood the issue of alcohol not being allowed in our grounds myself. If people can't go a couple of hours without having a "drink" then they're better off watching it in the pub.

Does it enhance the experience being able to drink whilst watching live sport? the answer will differ depending on who you talk to but I like to have a drink whilst out with a few friends watching live sport.

For me no and I like a drink as much as the next man but it's down to the individual I suppose.

I think relaxing alcohol laws in football grounds in this country is opening a can of worms.

have you ever drank at a football game before?

Alcohol laws are relaxed in Germany and little problems.

What is funny is that FIFA forced Brazil to relax their alcohol laws so that beers can be sold during games at the world cup.

No, have never felt the need to.

Like I said if folk can't go a couple of hours without alcohol then there's something wrong.

It is not about going a couple of hours without drinking it is asking the reason why you have to go those couple of hours without drinking.

Russia bans alcohol in grounds yet they have a massive hooliganism issue in stadiums. Germany allows alcohol in grounds and they have less of a hooliganism issue than the EPL.

Well I'm pretty sure that alcohol is bound to have more of a negative effect than it would a positive one.

Quite rightly alcohol is banned in our grounds. It certainly adds nothing to the atmosphere anyway.

FreekShow wrote:Well I'm pretty sure that alcohol is bound to have more of a negative effect than it would a positive one.

Quite rightly alcohol is banned in our grounds. It certainly adds nothing to the atmosphere anyway.

But evidence goes against your opinion most notably where events where alcohol is banned have violence and events where alcohol is available have limited/less violence. Something else is the catalyst for the violence.

Looking at the german league and the world cup i would say that events where alcohol have been available have a better atmosphere.

Germany and Russia are not the UK, we are the third biggest binge drinkers in Europe who notoriously cause havoc wherever we go. The Germans have no such reputation whereas the Russians are well a country with history.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

John wrote:depth & competitiveness sets apart the EPL from the rest. TV deals globally also reveal people would rather watch the EPL than the rest. Yeah, top teams abroad may be technically superior or have more quality but the EPL is without doubt better than it's rival leagues.

Dortmund 6-1 Stuttgart - last night - Lewandowski 18 min hat-trick
Real Madrid 7- 3 Seville - other night - Ronaldo hat-trick

These kind of results showcase the difference between the top of the league to the teams just in mid-table. [b]Doesn't happen in the EPL because of the quality distributed throughout the league[/b]. Yeah, happens on the odd occasion but not to the frequency of European leagues where they are basically dominated by two teams.

Manchester United 8-2 Arsenal......

man city 7-0 Norwich.....

In my opinion one sided results where one team totally outplays the other team happens probably the same amount of timesin the EPL as it does in the other big leagues. If we look at results for all the big teams in foreign leagues for the last 3 years I can imagine the massively one sided results would be more or less the same.

I would wager that's the last time a team scores seven in a single game in the EPL this season.

Will happen a few more times in these inferior foreign leagues though.

Duty281 wrote:I would wager that's the last time a team scores seven in a single game in the EPL this season.

Will happen a few more times in these inferior foreign leagues though.

WHAT!!!!!

Are you seriously telling me that arsenal won't score 7 goals past Man united next week!!!!! you know nothing about football!!!!!!  

In all seriousness the argument about the best league in the world is purely subjective and based on personal preference. I used to live in Spain and they all used to say that La Liga was the best league in the world and they used European success and the fact the best players played in that league.

Personally I would prefer to watch the EPL over any other league but that is because I live in England and have an attachment. When I lived in Spain I became really attached to la liga and used to prefer watching la liga games on TV.

When I was in Spain I remember it was Man U v Chelsea (the game chelsea were 3-0 up and then drew 3-3, AVB was the manager). I was with some friends and wanted to watch the game but they wanted to watch Athletco Bilbao v Valencia or some teams similar to that. I ended up having to watch man u v chelsea on a stream.

But anyway my point is that if you have an attachment to a league then you subconciously start to think that league is the best league in the world to watch because you enjoy watching it the most. people will find any reason to justify why their league is the best. I remember in 2006 having this debate at Uni and some people were saying the EPL is the best league because it makes the most money, I argued that was down to a smart marketing campaign and an outreach project and the fact that half of that money comes through ripping off english fans into over-paying for subscriptions and tickets.

The league I enjoy watching the most right now, EPL, The league i think is most competitive in terms of who will win the league and who will get champions league qualification: EPL, the league I think stands the most chance of winning the Champions League: La liga or Bundasliga, The league that has the best players in the world playing in it: la liga, the league with the best team in Europe: Bundasliga and the league I think fans get best value for money: Bundasliga.

I think it roughly even at the moment with the Premiership edging it due to superior strength outside the top four.
Having said that, Bayern would win the PL easily if they were in it and Dortmund would probably take second.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

FreekShow wrote:Well I'm pretty sure that alcohol is bound to have more of a negative effect than it would a positive one.

Quite rightly alcohol is banned in our grounds. It certainly adds nothing to the atmosphere anyway.

But evidence goes against your opinion most notably where events where alcohol is banned have violence and events where alcohol is available have limited/less violence. Something else is the catalyst for the violence.

Looking at the german league and the world cup i would say that events where alcohol have been available have a better atmosphere.

I was in a bar around Stamford Bridge for the UCL final. There must have been close to thousands of us in and around the area during and after the game. The majority were absolutely smashed but the occasion made it one of the most well behaved crowds I've been in. Everybody was everyone's best friend.

J.Benson II wrote:I think it roughly even at the moment with the Premiership edging it due to superior strength outside the top four.
Having said that, Bayern would win the PL easily if they were in it and Dortmund would probably take second.

Yep I agree ith this. Bayern would easily win the epl and dortmund would probably finish 2nd.

The two games of Super Sunday today showing what a exciting spectacle the Premier League is.