All Blacks frustrated by Joubert

GloriousEmpire wrote:Tell you what. Lok those words up in a dictionary. Look back over your posts, and the post match Irish thread and then you can do your own Joubert and admit you're wrong. How about that?

Scratch wrote:Come on Taylorman you can do better than that? The Sexton scenario was to illustrate it went your way but if the tables were turned and it did not there would have been tears and wwwwwwwwwwailing at bedtime.  

I am not an Irish fan but i supported them because they beat you at your own game for 80 minutes, the score was just a detail and everyone knows that. Great win for your team  but NZ scraped through v Ireland and for periods were in the same mess v England, times are a changing and quicker than you might think.

The name on the team sheet went without incident but it was a distasteful affair and i would bet my mum's underwear that had NZ lost and it had been a SA 'error' on their team sheet then NZ fans would have been vociferous in their allegations of impropriety….just sayin', of course it's just my opinion and therefore must be a WUM right.

Jealousy of the All Blacks…..to some extent who wouldn't be but my post is not motivated by that, rather the lack of grace aspects of the NZ press, fans and management show in victory. It's well documented not least on here. By no means pathetic, i don't think I would go that far, and i certainly wouldn't big it up as much as you have, you kind of make the point again for me, but you must be right, I mean what fan/player wouldn't want to have achieved what they have yet still there has to be something wrong. Players do their talking on the pitch, wish the fans could.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I graciously accept your clear admission that your spurious argument lacks any merit. For surely diverting your discourse to focus on my iPad typo must surely be thus.

Taylorman wrote:

Scratch wrote:Come on Taylorman you can do better than that? The Sexton scenario was to illustrate it went your way but if the tables were turned and it did not there would have been tears and wwwwwwwwwwailing at bedtime.  

I am not an Irish fan but i supported them because they beat you at your own game for 80 minutes, the score was just a detail and everyone knows that. Great win for your team  but NZ scraped through v Ireland and for periods were in the same mess v England, times are a changing and quicker than you might think.

The name on the team sheet went without incident but it was a distasteful affair and i would bet my mum's underwear that had NZ lost and it had been a SA 'error' on their team sheet then NZ fans would have been vociferous in their allegations of impropriety….just sayin', of course it's just my opinion and therefore must be a WUM right.

Jealousy of the All Blacks…..to some extent who wouldn't be but my post is not motivated by that, rather the lack of grace aspects of the NZ press, fans and management show in victory. It's well documented not least on here. By no means pathetic, i don't think I would go that far, and i certainly wouldn't big it up as much as you have, you kind of make the point again for me, but you must be right, I mean what fan/player wouldn't want to have achieved what they have yet still there has to be something wrong. Players do their talking on the pitch, wish the fans could.

Better than what?
I dont make things up. then use it as a criticism of them. How stupid is that?
Yes players do their talking on the pitch...so what are you doing?  Egg.

One of the stupidest posts Ive seen.

Scratch wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Scratch wrote:Come on Taylorman you can do better than that? The Sexton scenario was to illustrate it went your way but if the tables were turned and it did not there would have been tears and wwwwwwwwwwailing at bedtime.  

I am not an Irish fan but i supported them because they beat you at your own game for 80 minutes, the score was just a detail and everyone knows that. Great win for your team  but NZ scraped through v Ireland and for periods were in the same mess v England, times are a changing and quicker than you might think.

The name on the team sheet went without incident but it was a distasteful affair and i would bet my mum's underwear that had NZ lost and it had been a SA 'error' on their team sheet then NZ fans would have been vociferous in their allegations of impropriety….just sayin', of course it's just my opinion and therefore must be a WUM right.

Jealousy of the All Blacks…..to some extent who wouldn't be but my post is not motivated by that, rather the lack of grace aspects of the NZ press, fans and management show in victory. It's well documented not least on here. By no means pathetic, i don't think I would go that far, and i certainly wouldn't big it up as much as you have, you kind of make the point again for me, but you must be right, I mean what fan/player wouldn't want to have achieved what they have yet still there has to be something wrong. Players do their talking on the pitch, wish the fans could.

Better than what?
I dont make things up. then use it as a criticism of them. How stupid is that?
Yes players do their talking on the pitch...so what are you doing?  Egg.

One of the stupidest posts Ive seen.

Oh, clearly i was wrong, you can't do better. I apologize for wasting your time, getting you so wound up so very very easily.


BTW please refrain from hiding behind your NZ vernacular. It is totally unnecessary and offensive. I could respond but you will scream WUM the minute you read anything you disagree with….anyone would think i was a referee. Thanks

mystiroakey wrote:I have no idea why you think "reviewing the situation" means "I messed up" or "I am sorry"

If you are hounded by press - that's a good way of dealing with the situation. when ever I have an Irate customer I allways say I will review the situation. I then 99% of the time come back saying everything was fine if they take the matter further.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wasn't casting aspersions in your direction. Just to clarify. More thinking about recent experience moving house. I swear every single utility provider messed up grand style. Not one managed the simple and I would've thought, core business activity of doing a relocation without ballsing it up in some grand manner. And then, the ridiculous excuses I heard...

mystiroakey wrote:Just moved myself- I was on this chat box to edf for 2 hours because i couldnt get through on the phone

It drove me mad

GloriousEmpire wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Where has he said this?
 
I doubt very much if Joubert said such a thing as he'd be stating he cheated.

I leave you to draw your own conclusions about cheating.

I wouldn't go that far. I think in trying to be a bit clever he made an error. He assumed their was no "material impact" in his own words of not penalising England for deliberately sealing off.

He believed this was true because he thought NZ had insufficient numbers to effect a turn over anyway as they were standing off.

However as Richie and Shag pointed out, NZ were standing off because there was no chance of a turn over given that England were sealing off.

NZ are calling it "chicken or egg refereeing" which has a nice possibly unintentional pejorative feel to it.

The added confusion is that Joubert was apparently not clear on what he was doing until late in the game, so imagine NZ's clear frustration that when they observed England sealing off every ruck they thought Joubert was allowing it - tried it the sleeves and got pinged.

To me, I think Joubert's approach was just wrong. Just call the laws and use the penalty count to discourage the activity and that way the game will flow anyway. Some peoples opinion differs. Fair enough.

What is clear though is that Joubert didn't communicate effectively why he was allowing this to continue until very late in the game. Luckily there was still time for NZ to rectify once they understood.

Staggeringly, the adaption made in the last 20 minutes saw NZ steal the game back and they finished with 4 times more turn overs than England for the match. Astonishing.

Talk about adapting to the referee!

unsurpisingly, joubert's comments haven't made it into the english rugby media

the ABs did (or should have) get pinged for a lot of other stuff too in the first half as has been highlighted by AB posters.  Mealamu, Nonu, Franks, several clear not rolling away after the tackle examples, some ruck collapsing, etc.

overall i thought joubert had a pretty decent game. maybe there was a communication issue between him and McC. who knows?

re the last twenty minutes, obviously its easy to praise NZ for adapting to Joubert and credit that for their play, but there were three other big factors for me that also contributed:

- england lost 4 out of 6 own throw lineouts for whatever reason
- england were clearly very tired
- england's bench had far less impact that NZ's bench

anyway, i thought it was a good game overall. the kind of intensity that you hope for in a test match. some storming england forward play (as an ex-forward, and being english that obviously warms my heart), some great AB skill in the backs.

How has "being tired" become a preferable excuse for losing? Isn't that just inadequate fitness training, too much bulk? Poor selections? Or lack of depth by another name?

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wasn't casting aspersions in your direction. Just to clarify. More thinking about recent experience moving house. I swear every single utility provider messed up grand style. Not one managed the simple and I would've thought, core business activity of doing a relocation without ballsing it up in some grand manner. And then, the ridiculous excuses I heard...

tigerleghorn wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I wasn't casting aspersions in your direction. Just to clarify. More thinking about recent experience moving house. I swear every single utility provider messed up grand style. Not one managed the simple and I would've thought, core business activity of doing a relocation without ballsing it up in some grand manner. And then, the ridiculous excuses I heard...

Perhaps you had to wait so long (or still waiting?) is because of the way you spoke to the utility reps?

I find that if I get the other person on my side with a bit of creepy schmoozing  they're more likely to go the extra mile for you.

The carrot is often more effective than the stick!