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Post by Crimey on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 10:22 am

Discuss everything Premier League

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 10:32 am

City @ St James` today. Can't see us causing City too many problems. Debuchy, Coloccini out & possibly Santon.

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Post by kingraf on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 11:18 am

Put a bit of money on Newcastle today... Had a fantastic year at the bookie last year... Let's get this going 5/1. on Tyneside
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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 11:59 am

Newcastle v citeh- draw

stoke to upset liverpool


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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 12:29 pm

John wrote:City @ St James` today. Can't see us causing City too many problems. Debuchy, Coloccini out & possibly Santon.

I had to reread that John Laugh

Liverpool haven't won at Stoke in the Premier League, I fancy today to be the day we change that. Suarez is on fire, Sturridge is in contention again huge month this one.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 1:11 pm

Hopefully City and/or Liverpool slip up today, Pool in particular need a win or they risk getting cast adrift just like us, could then become a four way battle for that fourth spot.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:15 pm

1-0 City already. Can't understand why Taylor has started after so long out of the side.
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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:23 pm

City all over Newcastle.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:40 pm

Newcastle goal disallowed for Offside. Neither players obscured Hart's line of sight. Epic strike by Tiote though.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:43 pm

Awful decision. None of the players were in Hart's line of sight. Newcastle in danger of losing their cool here.

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Post by LastDamnation on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:44 pm

That was absurd, man city getting decisions again

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:46 pm

Ridiculous decision, wouldn't have been disallowed in reverse.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 2:57 pm

Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.
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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:00 pm

Mike Jones is a ####, getting revenge for sissoko knocking him out last month.

Epic strike which nicked of demichelis, should of been allowed. To me its 1-1 HT. Shocking decision.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:03 pm

hampo171 wrote:Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.

That's not how I understand the rule. If a player offside gets out of the way for an onside player to run onto a through pass that isn't offside. Sane here. Unless Gouffran was interfering with Hart saving the ball (which he wasn't) then the goal should be given.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:08 pm

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:08 pm

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hampo171 wrote:Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.

That's not how I understand the rule. If a player offside gets out of the way for an onside player to run onto a through pass that isn't offside. Sane here. Unless Gouffran was interfering with Hart saving the ball (which he wasn't) then the goal should be given.

The issue is that Hart looks like he starts to move to dive then stops and i think that's what the ref has seen tbh.

It's fair to say Pardew will be on the end of an FA Charge id expect.


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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:09 pm

Come on newcastle.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:10 pm

That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.
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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:13 pm

That's the worst thing about this; you know Pardew will mention it after the game, 2 days later he will get a fine and reprimand from the FA...meanwhile Mike Jones will go about his business with no penalty of any kind despite failing to do his job properly.

That is the problem with having a bunch of monkey's in charge of our game who know sod all about football and only serve to fulfill their own personal interests...mainly financial!! Absolute Joke!

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:15 pm

hampo171 wrote:That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

Agreed! The idiots at the FA have created these problems by blurring the lines in the first place...used to be a time when an offside was black & white...now it's filled with grey areas, created by those who govern the laws of the game. If your offside then your offside...simple as! Same with all this handball nonsense now...no one knows the difference between ball to hand and hand to ball because of the inconsistencies we see week in week out!


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:24 pm

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Reasonable to make that call on a snap decision?

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:24 pm

Same FA idiots who are now desperately trying to get that Bentaleb to play for England. Embarrassing.

C`mon Newcastle, can't see us scoring unless Ben Arfa comes on unfortunately.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:25 pm

owen10ozzy wrote: Same with all this handball nonsense now...no one knows the difference between ball to hand and hand to ball because of the inconsistencies we see week in week out!


What do you want then? Handball if it hits your arm?

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:31 pm

No if a player puts his hands up or in the way of an oncoming ball! Like it used to be! Not if a player whacks a ball at 80mph and hits the hand of a player whose hands are by his side or who is withdrawing his hands in an attempt to ensure it does not hit them.

What do you expect players to do? Run round with their hands behind there back the whole game?!

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:33 pm

Cabaye racking up the fouls here. On a yellow aswell.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:36 pm

The only reason Cabaye hasn't been sent off is because the referee is showing leniency in an attempt to make up for that awful decision in the first half!

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:38 pm

hampo171 wrote:That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

He could argue that but he would be lying. The problem with going back to the old rule is that stunning strikes like today's get disallowed when the offside has no bearing on the play. Whilst second phase offsides can be tricky this type of decision should not be. The only questions for the ref to decide are whether (a) the ball actually touched them and (b) did they prevent the keeper saving it or interfere with his vision of the ball.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:38 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:No if a player puts his hands up or in the way of an oncoming ball! Like it used to be! Not if a player whacks a ball at 80mph and hits the hand of a player whose hands are by his side or who is withdrawing his hands in an attempt to ensure it does not hit them.

What do you expect players to do? Run round with their hands behind there back the whole game?!

Arguing against yourself here Owen, I think all you've done is suggest the rule is currently right. Not that I think "ball to hand" is the ruling, I think its just a bad phrase that has stuck around.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:39 pm

Born Slippy wrote:
hampo171 wrote:That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

He could argue that but he would be lying. The problem with going back to the old rule is that stunning strikes like today's get disallowed when the offside has no bearing on the play. Whilst second phase offsides can be tricky this type of decision should not be. The only questions for the ref to decide are whether (a) the ball actually touched them and (b) did they prevent the keeper saving it or interfere with his vision of the ball.

Deceiving or distracting is the rule

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:40 pm

Yanga Mbiwa a lucky boy there to only see Yellow, Certainly was going for everything but the ball.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:41 pm

Poor call by the officials. If Gouffran was hindering Joe Hart's sight of the ball then yes, offside it would have been. But he wasn't and it wasn't.

Feel sorry for Newcastle.

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Post by JamesLincs on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:42 pm

awful challenge and should have been red.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:49 pm

My sympathy has wavered now.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:49 pm

Huh?! How you figure that; the point im making is that week in week out the consistency of the referee's when it comes to handball decisions is atrocious much the same with offsides. I can count at least a dozen handballs this year which have been given despite them actually being ball to hand...

The rule isn't currently correct due to the fact it is open to interpretation. This is exactly how we have got into the mess with offsides. If you allow a grey area within the confinements of a rule then that grey area will inevitably grow. The easiest thing is to make it black & white!

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:52 pm

The officiating in this country is just dreadful. 

SORT IT OUT FA!!!

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:55 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:The officiating in this country is just dreadful. 

SORT IT OUT FA!!!

Nicholas - why don't you become a referee, if it's that bad? Are you prepared to put something to it?

Nice little hobby where you earn some money, and you can do something about the dreadful officiating yourself.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:56 pm

I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it  Laugh 

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:57 pm

Fernando wrote:I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it  Laugh 

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:58 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:Huh?! How you figure that; the point im making is that week in week out the consistency of the referee's when it comes to handball decisions is atrocious much the same with offsides. I can count at least a dozen handballs this year which have been given despite them actually being ball to hand...

The rule isn't currently correct due to the fact it is open to interpretation. This is exactly how we have got into the mess with offsides. If you allow a grey area within the confinements of a rule then that grey area will inevitably grow. The easiest thing is to make it black & white!

How can you make something with such inconsistency black and white? Constant variables. Common sense is all that's needed. And of course the fact that needs to be remembered is you're watching everything multiple times from different angles at reduced speeds. Well done to the football public for then seeing something differently to a ref. The standard hasn't got bafflingly worse, the way of exposing mistakes and the attitude of fans has changed.

Ref being chastised for losing control of the game. But he could send players off to control it, ruining the competitive edge. Newcastle and Pardew should be blamed for the aggressive nature.

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:59 pm

Not just the officials on their side but blind luck as well the way that ball fell for Negredo

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Post by Fernando on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 3:59 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Fernando wrote:I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it  Laugh 

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

The money is good, The abuse is ridiculous actually had to send a parent away because he made his own son cry he was that competitive.

2-0 Citeh - Negredo

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:01 pm

Having said that Newcastle couldve lost at least two players so the officiating has just been p!Ss poor throughout

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:01 pm

Negredo 2-0

Lucky little git. 

Harsh defeat for Newcastle. Well done ref.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:03 pm

Citeh top of the league - at least until tomorrow evening.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:04 pm

Fernando wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Fernando wrote:I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it  Laugh 

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

The money is good, The abuse is ridiculous actually had to send a parent away because he made his own son cry he was that competitive.

2-0 Citeh - Negredo

Yes I would imagine that the abuse is the worst part of it. Must have a very thick skin to do it.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:05 pm

Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.
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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:06 pm

hampo171 wrote:Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.

I'm inclined to think that, for this game at least, the officiating has evened out.

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:09 pm

Feck off. Players were only over aggressive because they were infuriated with the dissalowed goal. Ref was being lenient trying to make up for his mistake & the players like Cabaye picked up on that n took advantage.

City were shocking today. Hardly even deserved the win. How can you say the score would of been much more. Only reason they scored at end was because we were gung ho trying to equalise. Would never of been that open if it were rightfully 1-1. They hardly peppered our goal?

Shockingly unlucky today. Referee was appalling.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:11 pm

I agree Duty.
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