Man Utd - The Gaalacticos thread

[Ent]

First topic message reminder :

Can see the same thing happening with Kroos, when Bayern stump up the wage & then the pressure will be on Moyes massively, after constantly telling everyone that he's been given the nod by these agents that these players wanted to come to United.

He shouldn't be saying things like that IMO. Just making things harder for himself.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

[Riggs]

Disheartened erm yes, feeling the blues quite literally yes, Moyes doing a good job......gee let me think erm no!

The question is: will Utd actually let David go??

[Guest]

Has Moyes been sacked yet?

[Ent]

Nope, the rumours are building though.

[compelling and rich]

really cant see him being sacked, unfortunately

any other club in the world and he would already be out

[Ent]

I think he will be.

Was reading the PLCs financial report from last year, the financial state of the club is hugely reliant on CL qualification - failing to qualify is unacceptable.

[Riggs]

So what's more likely, players leaving or David leaving/being sacked?

[Ent]

The manager I assume as these players have never failed to qualify for the CL.

[Riggs]

Does anyone know how much it would cost to break the 6 year contract?

[Guest]

I will be very disappointed if there is nothing in his contract about failing to finish top 4 that we could use to get shut of him

rookie error if not

[compelling and rich]

looks like he's getting the boot      

[Guest]

haha

I'm trying to take it all with a pinch of salt until its (hopefully) confirmed

[compelling and rich]

yeah like most rumors i wont believe it till i see him clear his desk out, just like transfer rumors i don't believe it till i see him in the shirt

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Whats the "in the shirt" alternative to a manager sacking? I won't believe it till I see him at the job centre?

[compelling and rich]

Whats the "in the shirt" alternative to a manager sacking? I won't believe it till I see him at the job centre?

leaving the training ground with a box of his stuff? his first dole cheque?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Box of his stuff is probably right, that or a picture of RVP giving him the finger

[Riggs]

Some news sources are saying David could leave in a day or so.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

BBC Five Live reporting United have said Moyes has "not been sacked". Slightly different to wont be sacked

[Guest]

The club can't officially come out and say anything until they deal with the NY stock exchange stuff

I wouldn't uild hopes of anything to happen today if it were to happen at all

[Ent]

Feel sorry for the guy. At 50 his career is essentially in tatters.

10 years of work at Everton to line up a big job flushed down the toilet and he'll never get another one.

Nowhere to go from here.

That said he wasn't good enough, our boards fault for considering him in the first place - wrecked a lot of lives.

[compelling and rich]

think moyes will always be a "small club" manager, it suits his mentality and style of play much better. there will be plenty of clubs that would still be intrested in him. likes of WBA etc im sure would be quite happy with moyes

[Ent]

think moyes will always be a "small club" manager, it suits his mentality and style of play much better. there will be plenty of clubs that would still be intrested in him. likes of WBA etc im sure would be quite happy with moyes

Yeah but whats the point?

Like being an f1 driver then racing go karts. Or something.

He'll have enough money for life, his career won't be going anywhere again.

[compelling and rich]

think moyes will always be a "small club" manager, it suits his mentality and style of play much better. there will be plenty of clubs that would still be intrested in him. likes of WBA etc im sure would be quite happy with moyes

Yeah but whats the point?

Like being an f1 driver then racing go karts. Or something.

He'll have enough money for life, his career won't be going anywhere again.

whats the point? its his job. not everyone can win trophies and manage the top teams. if everybody had that attitude there wouldnt be any football as anybody but the top players wouldn't bother

[Ent]

think moyes will always be a "small club" manager, it suits his mentality and style of play much better. there will be plenty of clubs that would still be intrested in him. likes of WBA etc im sure would be quite happy with moyes

Yeah but whats the point?

Like being an f1 driver then racing go karts. Or something.

He'll have enough money for life, his career won't be going anywhere again.

whats the point? its his job. not everyone can win trophies and manage the top teams. if everybody had that attitude there wouldnt be any football as anybody but the top players wouldn't bother

Yeah but you've managed Man Utd, theres always the hope of achieving more and moving upwards when you are a player or manager. Why go back? To stop ou from getting bored? Prove people wrong (who would care if you did well again at a mid table side?), won't get another big job.

Maybe he could manage Scotland after Strachan gets the boot.

[Riggs]

The papers are full of talk of David leaving soon.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Cos Man United are life and the best club in the world ever, he couldnt enjoy anything after this

[Liam]

Hodgson hasn't done too bad since his disastrous time at Liverpool has he?

Went to WBA, did a fantastic job there, made them a top 10 team or around about there, taking them from the days of being the stereotypical yo yo club then landed the England job.

Moyes just needs a season from football. Come back at a villa/west ham/newcastle sort of club, get back into management and see where it takes him. But without disrespecting those clubs, thats about his level and there's nowt wrong with that.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Not sure why failing at United should be the end of somebodys career, it doesn't work like that for managers at other clubs so it wont work like that for Moyes.

Look at Rodgers, failed at Reading now doing a great job at Liverpool, Benitez failed at Inter Milan but hasn't struggled to find jobs since.

[mystiroakey]

to be fair loads of clubs will be after him- its whether he can accept going backwards in his career beyond everton.

otherwise he could allways go to a different league

[Ent]

Hodgson was older and had spent most of his career at clubs of that ilk. Benitez had a CL win on his CV. Reading isn't united.

Moyes is 50, he won't get another elite job - that is what he worked for for 10 + years and now he has had a taste of it it will be hard to go back.

He could get a midtable club or manage his country at some point, but whats the point - it won't lead him anywhere and he doesn't need the money.

Feel sorry for him on a personal level.

[mystiroakey]

I think when you are football manager the job takes over your life.

I would imagine he would want a break and then start losing it doing nothing and winding his wife up.

He will probally take a job early next season after a slow start from a midtable team

[Liam]

Here's why I think Klopp should come to utd:

-Bayern have bought the two players he based his side around, Goetze and Lewandowski and seem too far ahead to catch, would take at least 2/3 seasons if that
-He's won the Bundesliga, the Polska cup and got to the final of the CL. He's done achieved everything to achieve Dortmund and will leave a legend
-Reus wants out and I think Gundongen would also had left if not for his back injury.

Why he should come to utd:

-Chance to rebuild a squad with players to match his philosophy
-Attacking, young, modern day manager who suits the Man Utd job more than anyone
-Gives youth a chance and has developed younger players. Utd has a good core of young players with others ready to come through. Could do wonders with Januzaj
-Could possibly bring a couple of Dortmund players with him, whilst also having Kagawa at his disposal means he could be working with players who already understand how he works and what he expects
-He'd have the resounding backing of all utd fans, unlike what Moyes had
-Not under the same pressure Moyes was under by following arguably the greatest manager of all time, who'd built utd into what it is today (or was last season) as a successful club with a winning mentality. He would only need to show improvements on Moyes and that isn't difficult.

[Guest]

Agree with majority of that, however, Klopp could easily walk into the Barcelona job nowadays, such is his reputation & recent success. Would he rather manage Barcelona & Messi after a poor season & bring them back to the top of Spain & Europe or manage a struggling United?

That's how far United have fallen, not only can they not guarantee attracting top players, they now won't be first choice for top managers either.

[Fernando]

Klopp to Man Utd chances hover near the zero per cent mark. Not *totally* impossible but close enough

That seems to be the general assumption from the German Media.

[mystiroakey]

well the german media would suggest that.

they dont want to lose him.

the german media however are going to have to realise - players and coaches will just go elsewhere if the league stays the same.

its gone to pot

[Fernando]

well the german media would suggest that.

they dont want to lose him.

the german media however are going to have to realise - players and coaches will just go elsewhere if the league stays the same.

its gone to pot

You think Dortmund will let him go 7 months after signing a new deal til 2018 will cost United a bomb to get him out of that deal. That being said id try everything possible to do so.

[The Special Juan]

I bet Ancelotti will be available if Real don't win the CL.

[The Fourth Lion]

So much for "The Chosen One".    Paddy Power will probably offer a bet on somebody producing a banner that says "Deselected".

It's been said that Manchester United are not a sacking club, but the facts don't support that assertion.  David Moyes is their seventh manager since Matt Busby retired and excluding Sralex, the fate of the other five is:

Wilf McGuinness  -  Sacked after barely a year in charge having   replaced Matt Busby.

Frank O'Farrell - Sacked after 18 months in charge.  The final straw came when  United were stuffed 5 - 0 by bottom of the table Crystal Palace.

Tommy Docherty  -  Sacked when his <ahem> "relationship" with the club physio's wife became public knowledge.

Dave Sexton-  Sacked after four seasons in charge without delivering a trophy

Ron Atkinson -  Sacked after a poor start to the 86 / 87 season which included a 0 - 1 home defeat by Charlton and being thumped 1- 4 by Southampton in the League Cup.

Rather than being an exception to the rule, Moyse is just the latest in a string of managers to be given short shrift by Manchester United.   Only Matt Busby and Alex Ferguson have survived in the job and that is because they delivered trophies.

Lest we forget, Sralex himself was only 90 minutes away from the heave-ho before United won an FA Cup Third round tie at Nottingham Forest.  Mark Robins scored to keep the beleaguered manager in his job.  United went on to win the cup and the rest, as they say, is history.

The only criteria for keeping your backside in the hot seat at Old Trafford is to win.  Often.  Anything less than that and the man in charge is very likely to become Manchester United's next former manager.  Not a sacking club my a**e.

Whoever takes the job needs to know that, and keep it in the forefront of his mind at all times.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

There's not many football clubs in the land that won't sack you if you lose many games, produce a poor product and fail to achieve objectives

[Ent]

Tommy doc got united relegated and kept his job.

Atkinson got 5 years, sexton 4, tommy doc 5.

We've a reputation for giving managers time, not failing to sack them when they aren't doing well. Moyes has done terribly.

[Riggs]

Were there any signs that David wasn't ready for this job?

[skyeman]

Sir Alex got this one wrong.

[skyeman]

think moyes will always be a "small club" manager, it suits his mentality and style of play much better. there will be plenty of clubs that would still be intrested in him. likes of WBA etc im sure would be quite happy with moyes

Yeah but whats the point?

Like being an f1 driver then racing go karts. Or something.

He'll have enough money for life, his career won't be going anywhere again.

whats the point? its his job. not everyone can win trophies and manage the top teams. if everybody had that attitude there wouldnt be any football as anybody but the top players wouldn't bother

Yeah but you've managed Man Utd, theres always the hope of achieving more and moving upwards when you are a player or manager. Why go back? To stop ou from getting bored? Prove people wrong (who would care if you did well again at a mid table side?), won't get another big job.

Maybe he could manage Scotland after Strachan gets the boot.

Not for a while yet, the wee imp is not doing too bad  

[It Must Be Love]

This thread has past the limit, should I make a new one ?

[The Fourth Lion]

Tommy doc got united relegated and kept his job.

Atkinson got 5 years, sexton 4, tommy doc 5.

We've a reputation for giving managers time, not failing to sack them when they aren't doing well. Moyes has done terribly.

Tommy Docherty also won Manchester United their first trophy for nine years  (1977 FA Cup).  They still sacked him.


The point I was making was that there is this disinformation put about that Manchester United don't sack managers.  As for giving them time, well, if that is the case, then by the criteria you have stated above, Moyse should be kept in post for another couple of seasons at least.   It appears, if press speculation is to be believed, that that is likely not to be the case.

Of course, clubs want to be successful and managers who fail to achieve are likely to be dismissed (dontcha just loooooooove how this "failure to meet targets" buzz phrase has caught on since Mancini was sacked by City).  Being a football manager is the ultimate results driven profession.   But those who suggest that Manchester United are somehow especially benign in this regard are spreading a falsehood.  

The only difference between now and the times I cited in my previous missive is that fans and Chairmen are less patient than they used to be.  Oh, for sure, United supporters gave Moyse their "support"..... probably mostly because he had been nominated for the job by God, oops, sorry... Sralex.  I remember the deity telling the fans in his resignation speech last season to "Get behind the manager".  It couldn't have been more of a command if it had been carved by bolts of fire on tablets of stone upon Mount Sinai.

And so they did.  For almost a whole season.   Funny how people forget so quickly, isn't it...?   Ah well, out of sight, out of mind, eh..?

I'm not putting the boot into Manchester United here.  All the salient facts are true and my opinions are all deductions that any reasonable man could come to.   But United fans have got to learn that their club does not have a God given right to claim trophies on demand.  They have to be won by merit and just because Anno Domini caught up with Alex Ferguson, the same as it does with everybody in the end, doesn't mean that the skies will fall in on the world of football.   Manchester United won't be in next season's Champions League.  Well spank my ass and call me Charlie.

European football will go on without them, you know.

There is a generation of Manchester United fans who have known nothing but continued and prolonged success.  Well, that's nice for them, but I fear they have become spoiled rotten, and if it perhaps transpires that United spend a few seasons in the trophy wilderness, it may do them no harm.  It might just make them a little less arrogant and demanding.  Humility is a virtue that is difficult and sometimes painful to acquire, but it's worth it.

I'm sure that Manchester United will return to a position of eminence again.  They're too rich a club not to.  How long (or short) a time that takes, well, your crystal ball prediction is as good as anybody else's.  

But for the man who picks up the poison chalice that is the managership of Manchester United, he should know that if he doesn't meet the enormous demands of the fans and Chairmen, then he drinks from a bitter cup.

And they WILL sack him. Just like any other club.

[Ent]

Tommy Doc was having an affair with the physio's wife. He was hugely popular with the fans and kept his job after getting relegated 4 years after winning the european cup - are you really using him as evidence that united are a sacking club?

Sexton, Atkinson and Ferguson all got a lot of time (pre success).

If you are going to be literal then yes the club sack people, but we have had 5 managers since 1972.

The fans don't expect to win trophies on demand, they expect to do better than 7th with a squad that won a title and was on for record points with 3 games to go a year ago. 11 defeats and counting, no improvement.

Yes if you do crap you will get fired, I'm sure this is obvious to all.

[compelling and rich]

two managers in my life time and were a sacking club?    

we may be spoilt but its hardly fecking rock science that moyes was doing a terrible job. every man and his dog trying to make excuses for him. yet all top managers know the buck stops with him. fergie or even a mourinho wouldn't have sat back and let the players take the blame, or just use were in transition as a excuse

[Ent]

Giggs as interim manager, wonder what his first starting line up will be....

De Gea
Phil Neville Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Giggs
Rooney RVP

Lols

[compelling and rich]

Giggs as interim manager, wonder what his first starting line up will be....

De Gea
Phil Neville Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Giggs
Rooney RVP

Lols

becks is a free agent get him on the right for valencia, also bring scholes back even with no legs he's still better than carrick and Fletcher

[Ent]

Spirit of 99 and all that.

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