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Post by LadyPutt Thu 29 May 2014, 3:06 pm

A worrying thought!

http://www.goingforgolf.com/news/article/trump_to_tweak_turnberry/

Look what happened when Richard Caring decided to "tweak" Wentworth ......
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Post by gaelgowfer Thu 29 May 2014, 3:52 pm

Great overview of that part of the course from the link you provided LP.

Apparently, he intends extending out onto the rocks but from that overview not sure why that would be desirable.

Anyone care to have a stab at what the rectangular walled thingy might be?

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Post by George1507 Thu 29 May 2014, 4:04 pm

It's the lighthousekeeper's cottage garden. Not part of the course.

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Post by gaelgowfer Thu 29 May 2014, 4:29 pm

Ah, thanks George.  Wonder if Trump is eyeing-up yon lighthouse? Very Happy

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Post by super_realist Thu 29 May 2014, 4:30 pm

I've heard he's keen on Nairn too.

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Post by George1507 Thu 29 May 2014, 5:25 pm

Nairn is a members' club and I don't think it's associated with the Golf View Hotel. I doubt he'd be prepared to pay the members off, and buy the hotel as well. There may not be enough money in the western world to do that because the members know he needs the course as well as the hotel and the hotel owners know he needs the hotel as well as the course.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Thu 29 May 2014, 5:42 pm

I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George. She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

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Post by pedro Thu 29 May 2014, 5:43 pm

TOC is being tweaked every fifth year. Get over your hatred for the wigged man.

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Post by gaelgowfer Thu 29 May 2014, 5:44 pm

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George.  She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

Clype! Very Happy 

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Thu 29 May 2014, 5:50 pm

gaelgowfer wrote:
1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George.  She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

Clype! Very Happy 

C'mon, you knew it was a wind up, I knew it was a wind up. And, I thought you resisted temptation very well. George responded in all seriousness.

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Post by George1507 Thu 29 May 2014, 5:50 pm

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George.  She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

Oh, sorry, I didn't pick up on that. I'm sure Gael wasn't going to fall for that anyway!

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Post by super_realist Thu 29 May 2014, 5:53 pm

Who is to say that any "tweaks" might not improve it?
Remember last time it was nearly won by a pensioner.

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Post by gaelgowfer Thu 29 May 2014, 5:59 pm

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:
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1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George.  She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

Clype! Very Happy 

C'mon, you knew it was a wind up, I knew it was a wind up.  And, I thought you resisted temptation very well.  George responded in all seriousness.

Why, thank you kind sir.

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Post by gaelgowfer Thu 29 May 2014, 6:03 pm

George1507 wrote:
1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I think Super was trying to wind Gael up with the comment, George.  She seems to have a bee in her bonnet about Trump and she's a member at Nairn.

Oh, sorry, I didn't pick up on that. I'm sure Gael wasn't going to fall for that anyway!

Correct George!  By the way, there is no connection between the Golf View Hotel and the club.

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Post by Davie Thu 29 May 2014, 7:50 pm

But she did fall for it - in a way

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Post by raycastleunited Thu 29 May 2014, 11:46 pm

gaelgowfer wrote: .  Wonder if Trump is eyeing-up yon lighthouse? Very Happy

What's a yon lighthouse? Did you mean young lighthouse?

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Post by raycastleunited Thu 29 May 2014, 11:51 pm

I thought the general consensus was that Trump courses were top notch? The reworking of Doral seems to have been well received, and everyone raves about the course in Aberdeen. Sounds like great news for Turnberry.

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Post by George1507 Fri 30 May 2014, 8:14 am

They are always fiddling with these courses, building new tees, or moving bunkers around. However Turnberry was quite extensively reworked before the 2009 Open, it was much more than the normal tweaking. It would be interesting to know what they are planning this time, but I doubt the R&A would expect (or want) much done to the course.

The issue with the Open at Turnberry is access. The road north towards Ayr was gridlocked from mid afternoon onwards in 2009.

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Post by super_realist Fri 30 May 2014, 8:18 am

There was "extensive" work done at TOC last year in preparation for another borefest in 2015, but unless you play it regularly,  you wouldn't notice anything.
So if Trump is merely "tweaking" then I don't think any of these "disgusted armchair traditionalists" would notice the slightest difference at all, just another pathetic excuse to try and have a go at Trump.

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Post by gaelgowfer Fri 30 May 2014, 9:05 am

Agree with you George, access is the priority.

Still, I am intrigued as to what kind of tweaks are being envisaged.  Golf courses are always being tweaked.  How many makeovers has TOC had in its lifetime including it being played in reverse at one time in its history which is why you can't see many of the bunkers.  So, I certainly don't have a problem with Trump tweaking Turnberry.  No, the problem I have with Trump is how he deals with people.  In short, he's a bully.  It's his way or no way although I think even he must have been surprised at the sheer resilience of the Menie homeowners he attempted to dislodge.

I think Trump's major project will be rolling up the Kintyre course and starting all over again.  He seems to enjoy links golf so I see no reason why this this project won't succeed as two par excellence golf courses (one being shorter of course) will only enhance and attract more visitors to Turnberry.  

So, although much is written about what Trump might do to the Ailsa course, I believe his most important project will be the re-doing of the Kintyre course.

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Post by super_realist Fri 30 May 2014, 9:06 am

gaelgowfer wrote:Agree with you George, access is the priority.

Still, I am intrigued as to what kind of tweaks are being envisaged.  Golf courses are always being tweaked.  How many makeovers has TOC had in its lifetime including it being played in reverse at one time in its history which is why you can't see many of the bunkers.  So, I certainly don't have a problem with Trump tweaking Turnberry.  No, the problem I have with Trump is how he deals with people.  In short, he's a bully.  It's his way or no way although I think even he must have been surprised at the sheer resilience of the Menie homeowners he attempted to dislodge.

I think Trump's major project will be rolling up the Kintyre course and starting all over again.  He seems to enjoy links golf so I see no reason why this this project won't succeed as two par excellence golf courses (one being shorter of course) will only enhance and attract more visitors to Turnberry.  

So, although much is written about what Trump might do to the Ailsa course, I believe his most important project will be the re-doing of the Kintyre course.

Yawn, who has he bullied in regards to Turnberry?

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Post by George1507 Fri 30 May 2014, 10:52 am

I've played the Old Course the other way round. It used to happen quite regularly at Easter time. It may happen next year as well...

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Post by McLaren Fri 30 May 2014, 10:56 am

If anyone has played the kintyre course at Turnberry, what did you think of it?

What scale of changes do you think it needs to make Turnberry a true 2 course resort, or is it already at that stage and the kintyre is just underrated?
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Post by George1507 Fri 30 May 2014, 11:09 am

The old Arran course was extensively modified a few years ago to become the Kintyre course. It's a pretty tough test - about 7000 yards I think. There are a few blind holes - left over from the Arran days - but it's already far too hard a course for the majority who will play it. Breaking 80 on there in anything other than benign conditions is a real achievement.

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Post by gaelgowfer Fri 30 May 2014, 3:09 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
gaelgowfer wrote: .  Wonder if Trump is eyeing-up yon lighthouse? Very Happy

What's a yon lighthouse? Did you mean young lighthouse?

If you don't know what it means  Rolling Eyes why didn't you just google it?

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Post by gaelgowfer Fri 30 May 2014, 3:14 pm

George1507 wrote:The old Arran course was extensively modified a few years ago to become the Kintyre course. It's a pretty tough test - about 7000 yards I think. There are a few blind holes - left over from the Arran days - but it's already far too hard a course for the majority who will play it. Breaking 80 on there in anything other than benign conditions is a real achievement.

Fair enough George.  The trouble is that it would appear Trump is determined to leave his mark one way or another ...

A proportion of those will be on the Kintyre Course, but that Donald Steel-designed layout could be set for some serious Trump treatment. “One of the things I may do at Turnberry is build a second course due to the fact it’s an amazing piece of land,” he declared. “By that, I mean looking at replacing the Kintyre course. The land is so good and, if I did that, it would be a fabulous new course.”

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/donald-trump-plans-to-make-turnberry-more-dramatic-1-3413062

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Post by pedro Fri 30 May 2014, 3:35 pm

Yawn! Keep an eye on the ball, not the man. This auto-response to all what Trump does is soooo predictable and immature. Get on with your lives.

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Post by gaelgowfer Fri 30 May 2014, 6:17 pm

pedro wrote:Yawn! Keep an eye on the ball, not the man. This auto-response to all what Trump does is soooo predictable and immature. Get on with your lives.

Calm down dear.  You're being hysterical.

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Post by Davie Fri 30 May 2014, 8:28 pm

gaelgowfer wrote:
pedro wrote:Yawn! Keep an eye on the ball, not the man. This auto-response to all what Trump does is soooo predictable and immature. Get on with your lives.

Calm down dear.  You're being hysterical.

Mr Pot meet Ms Grimey-Ass

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Post by JAS Mon 02 Jun 2014, 9:58 am

To be fair Gael, you go on about Trump so much...maybe you've got a wee secret crush brewing. All girls like a bit of "bad boy" so the more you bleat on about him the more it reveals your secret longings :-O

I've played the Kintyre a couple of times and as "2nd" courses go I think it's definitely one of the better ones. Everybody remembers the very scenic 8th, I also think it has a great opener with the stream very much in play. There are several flat gorse lined fairways so yes in a 4 club crosswind those holes would be "challenging" 9 & 10 are quite exposed up on the top and have the views and 17 & 18 are good strong closing holes. The latter's green is used as the chipping practice area when the Open is there.

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Post by raycastleunited Tue 03 Jun 2014, 12:52 pm

gaelgowfer wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
gaelgowfer wrote: .  Wonder if Trump is eyeing-up yon lighthouse? Very Happy

What's a yon lighthouse? Did you mean young lighthouse?

If you don't know what it means  Rolling Eyes why didn't you just google it?

Well I did google it, and the search results say did I mean "don lighthouse", "neon lighthouse", "lion lighthouse", "iron lighthouse", then there's some stuff about the lighthouse by Eryk Yon Syl and the lighthouse at La Roche sur Yon.

None of these appear to me to have anything to do with Trump or Turnberry, so I can only assume you either:

1. Made a reference which I don't understand (which is why I asked you - not sure why its a difficult question).
2. Made a simple typo (perhaps you are too embarrassed to admit this?)
3. Are a rambling fool.

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Post by Bob_the_Job Tue 03 Jun 2014, 1:03 pm

4. Is Scottish so uses "yon" (short for yonder) to mean "that".

If you google "yon", the first hit you get is:

yon - literary dialect:

determiner & adverb:
yonder; that.
"there's some big ranches yon side of the Sierra"

pronoun:
yonder person or thing.
"what do you make of yon?"
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Post by raycastleunited Tue 03 Jun 2014, 1:17 pm

Thanks Bob. So actually it was 1... a reference I didn't understand.

Maybe Gael should think before using obscure phrases from minority dialects. Just doesn't work in a written format.

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Post by gaelgowfer Tue 03 Jun 2014, 2:08 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Thanks Bob. So actually it was 1... a reference I didn't understand.

Maybe Gael should think before using obscure phrases from minority dialects. Just doesn't work in a written format.

Notwithstanding wind-ups, one can only be left with the conclusion that you must be thick as mince that you couldn't work that out for yourself.

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Post by beninho Tue 03 Jun 2014, 2:30 pm

I read an Irvine Welsh book once. That was a very hard read.

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Post by super_realist Wed 04 Jun 2014, 10:15 am

I find that Scottish people tend to over colloquialise their dialects with stupid little words.


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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed 04 Jun 2014, 11:08 am

gaelgowfer wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:Thanks Bob. So actually it was 1... a reference I didn't understand.

Maybe Gael should think before using obscure phrases from minority dialects. Just doesn't work in a written format.

Notwithstanding wind-ups, one can only be left with the conclusion that you must be thick as mince that you couldn't work that out for yourself.

If "yon" is "that", could the bold line be re-stated as "Notwithstanding wind-ups, one can only be left with the conclusion yon you must be thick as mince yon you couldn't work yon out for yourself."?


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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed 04 Jun 2014, 11:11 am

beninho wrote:I read an Irvine Welsh book once. That was a very hard read.

I found it hard but I was told it was easier if you read it in a scottish accent, and lo, it was.

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Post by Bob_the_Job Wed 04 Jun 2014, 11:34 am

Roller - my  understanding is "yon" is only a replacement for "that" when it's a determiner & adverb or a pronoun.

I'm sure the English Language pedants will correct me, but I think in the phrase "with the conclusion that", the word "that" is being used as a complementizer/subordinating conjunction, so "yon" couldn't replace it.
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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed 04 Jun 2014, 11:42 am

Aww.

Shame! Makes sense though (even though formal rules for colloquialisms seems a bit odd!) cheers Bob

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 04 Jun 2014, 12:51 pm

gaelgowfer wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:Thanks Bob. So actually it was 1... a reference I didn't understand.

Maybe Gael should think before using obscure phrases from minority dialects. Just doesn't work in a written format.

Notwithstanding wind-ups, one can only be left with the conclusion that you must be thick as mince that you couldn't work that out for yourself.

Hahaha!

Do you ever get sick of hearing a certain phrase with the words pot, kettle and black? Seems to be a recurring theme every time you post, and you can only resort to petty insults when you realise you've made yourself look rather foolish again. I really don't feel the need to insult you, I just wish you would try to engage your brain before repeatedly typing mindless rubbish.

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Post by George1507 Wed 04 Jun 2014, 1:59 pm

Yonder, or yon, really means 'over there'. So the order of the words needs to change because you wouldn't say 'the over there lighthouse'. You would say 'the lighthouse over there' or 'yon lighthouse'. It's not Scots dialect - lots of people in England would say that too.


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Post by super_realist Wed 04 Jun 2014, 2:01 pm

Nobody writes in colloquial dialects though, so Gael simply inserts stuff to emphasise her Scottishness. Rather odd.

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Post by Davie Wed 04 Jun 2014, 8:45 pm

thick as mince? WTF is that?

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 04 Jun 2014, 8:53 pm

George, I've never heard yon before in England or Scotland. What part of England uses that slang phrase?

As super says, nobody writes in colloquialisms, apart from fkwits who rite in txt spk.... And Gael

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Post by LadyPutt Fri 06 Jun 2014, 1:05 pm

And some of you wonder why I rarely post on here ....  Rolling Eyes  Sorry I started this.  picard
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Post by George1507 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:35 am

raycastleunited wrote:George, I've never heard yon before in England or Scotland. What part of England uses that slang phrase?

As super says, nobody writes in colloquialisms, apart from fkwits who rite in txt spk.... And Gael


Yon or yonder are old English words, not Scots. I think these days it's generally used in the north east and north west of England though.

William Shakespeare - "what light through yonder window breaks?" (R&J)

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Post by Plunky Sat 07 Jun 2014, 4:52 pm

Also features in the US Air Force song "off we go into the wild blue yonder", and "yonder peasant who is he" in the Christmas carol "Good king wensceslas" !

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Post by Bob_the_Job Tue 10 Jun 2014, 9:33 am

I was on a linguistics board once, and a row about golf course architecture broke out.
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Post by super_realist Tue 10 Jun 2014, 9:35 am

Bob_the_Job wrote:I was on a linguistics board once, and a row about golf course architecture broke out.

 Laugh Laugh Laugh 

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