New Zealand v England 3rd test & the 2nd test review

by blackcanelion Sun 15 Jun 2014, 7:23 am

First topic message reminder :

1000 posts and the 2nd test thread is blocked time to move onto the 3rd test in Hamilton.

What are England's chances of securing a win?
Could NZ win convincingly?
Will it be close again?
Who will play?
How much will the referee affect the game?

Let the banter begin..................

Oh, and feel free to discuss test's 1 and 2.

by HammerofThunor Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:44 am

Until Ashton sorts that out he simply isn't good enough, especially with how we use our wingers.

Oh dear oh dear. Between Eastmond and Tuilagi

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:45 am

great pickup! eastmond shouldnt have missed cruden there

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:45 am

got the start we wanted and the ABs are sweeping past the England midfield as expected.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:45 am

That's why he's called the Big Bus because he picks up. It's his job.

by nobbled Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:46 am

wales606 wrote:Chris Ashton - off his wing and fails to wrap up Smith when he had the chance,

Remembering why he was dropped anyone?

He will need to be a lot stronger against Savea if he can't bring down Aaron Smith

Wasn't dropped for his pants defence - although should have been, was dropped because when playing for England he couldn't score tries.

by HammerofThunor Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:47 am

None of our wings do. He was dropped for his defence.

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:48 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:That's why he's called the Big Bus because he picks up. It's his job.

Ashtons no match for Savea in that situation, not many are.

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:48 am

now we will see how much character these england youngsters have. 2 tries down after 10 mins...time to learn as they go and try to get smarter about defensive communication. great challenge against a rampant NZ back line.

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:50 am

England midfield is bunching and leaving wide open spaces in defence.

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:50 am

Englands midfield getting cut to shreds, so much space out wide. Certain try fluffed.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:50 am

What a bugger. Another mistake in midfield from England. Savea will be licking his lips.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:52 am

Need to start thinking here. The forwards are not stepping into the line and are forcing the backs to come further and further in field to make up the line. It's leaving massive space out wide. The line out looks a mess without Parling.

by milkyboy Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:53 am

That spanking I feared seems on its way. Embarrassing to get run round on first phase ball, they're not even having to work for it

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:54 am

NZ forwards look hungry and backs are getting good ball. Let's see the character of this England side because they've always got back into games in recent times when falling behind.

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:55 am

mccaw...every time in from the side...never a warning...

by Otagolad Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:55 am

England forwards getting bullied - loving it.

by Hood83 Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:55 am

milkyboy wrote:That spanking I feared seems on its way. Embarrassing to get run round on first phase ball, they're not even having to work for it

Yeah, we knew we'd get one. it's a shame we've got worse through the series, and a little concerning. We're not nearly as close to these guys as we thought.

But, I really wish we'd picked Haskell and dropped Wood.

by HammerofThunor Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:56 am

All Blacks handling the weather better as well. We're just not used to the rain.

by sad_gimp Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:56 am

Need to settle and start stopping runners on the gain line.

Feel for Brown, Ashton is leaving him out to dry.

by Guest Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

Oh dear

by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

quinsforever wrote:mccaw...every time in from the side...never a warning...

He was penalised. What else do you want?

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

nothing wrong with that...stupid call.

by Otagolad Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

Not used to the rain - lmao

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

that is ridiculous. another ref who cant get the noise of the crowd out of his head. that is utterly ridiculous. what a joke.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

That's a shocking call of a yellow card.

by nobbled Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:57 am

Unlucky - penalty sure, but YC? Not for me.

by Guest Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

Yeah, not a YC, hard done by

by Hood83 Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

Biltong wrote:England midfield is bunching and leaving wide open spaces in defence.

The narrowness always looked a concern, the fact that the ABs worked our how to target it, and we failed to realise is typical. Ah OK, yellow card is it? Yeah this is not going to be a contest now, I think that's poor poor decision.

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
quinsforever wrote:mccaw...every time in from the side...never a warning...

He was penalised. What else do you want?

a warning

by HammerofThunor Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

Otagolad wrote:Not used to the rain - lmao

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

Good to get the dodgy yellow card out early this week,

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:58 am

another fluffed try...

by Hood83 Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

30 point difference anyone?!

by HammerofThunor Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Did he not realise it was Ashton? Should have just run it in.

by sickofwendy Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Harsh
Game over

by Guest Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Can I just say the IRB REALLY needs to have a word with Garces. In recent past he has had to make some big calls and many of them true but he has a history of never giving any benefit of the doubt. Check red cards on YouTube, Garces has issued most of them.

That yellow was dumb. Penalty yes yellow no. Don't ruin the game.

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Otagolad wrote:Not used to the rain - lmao

hi ya matey...welcome...

by milkyboy Sat 21 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Very harsh card, haven't had the run on those this series. Not that it matters with this shambles today

by aucklandlaurie Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:00 am

That yellow is pretty harsh. just hope it doesnt ruin the game.

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:00 am

i cannot believe that YC. what a muppet decision.

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:00 am

We should all go buy some Tutus, this game of ours is getting very soft

by Taylorman Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:01 am

Ineffable wrote:Can I just say the IRB REALLY needs to have a word with Garces. In recent past he has had to make some big calls and many of them true but he has a history of never giving any benefit of the doubt. Check red cards on YouTube, Garces has issued most of them.

That yellow was dumb. Penalty yes yellow no. Don't ruin the game.

he should at least have gone to video first, especially since Cruden carried on running...dumb call.

by Otagolad Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:02 am

Ben Smith - brilliant again

by sickofwendy Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:02 am

Brown should have put it downfield

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:03 am

How is Read not penalised for coming around the maul?

by quinsforever Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:03 am

how can read use his hands at the side of that maul?

by Geordie Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:04 am

Well I said after the last test our one on one defence is poor...and its showing again.

Also whn we do manage to claw a bit of ball we look ponderous and bereft of ideas

by Hood83 Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:04 am

We look awful, we're not even a step off from them, we're about a mile off the pace. Very poor. I don't think we can consider this series a success if we've just moved further away from them.

The only way we have a chance against them is with our best team. That is Care getting some vaguely quick ball and Haskell. Tom Wood doesn't do the unseen work, he doesn't do the work.

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:04 am

Think there was a knock

by formerly known as Sam Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:04 am

Feel for Vunipola there. Seen those not even given.

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