Rio de Janiero - 2014 Fifa World Cup Thread

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:55 pm

First topic message reminder :

owen10ozzy wrote:Diego Costa for £32 million isn't looking to hot either...Chelsea could be looking at the 3 most expensive striker flops in history in Shevchenko, Torres and now Costa.

He lacks pace and mobility which for me are essential in the premiership.

Tbf this isn't the same Costa that's been playing for Atletico, a long hard season and a few injuries catching up with him here I think

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:00 pm

GSC wrote:Uruguay reportedly threatening not to play their last 16 tie.

Get the jet fuelled.

Hope they do, then they might be banned from the next World Cup!

Colombia will tear their them apart anyway.

by GSC Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:01 pm

I can excuse a heat of the moment challenge, with an appropriate punishment.

I can't excuse anybody who makes a conscious effort to harm another player. A bite is not instinct for any rational human being raised in civilization.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:03 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I think a bite can be instinct. All you have to do is have had that action as natural as a child and never got past it.

Yep I agree with this. Clearly when Suarez gets frustrated or angry he lashes out but not by punching or elbowing but by biting. It seems that is Suarez's reaction to frustration.

Biting is a horrible thing to do don't get me wrong but it does appear that Suarez does it as a natural reaction just like some players elbow or headbutt or punch.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:04 pm

GSC wrote:I can excuse a heat of the moment challenge, with an appropriate punishment.

I can't excuse anybody who makes a conscious effort to harm another player. A bite is not instinct for any rational human being raised in civilization.

That just highlights your lack of awareness.

by SecretFly Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:05 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
To be honest I am not sure what your views are.

My opinion is that the bite was wrong of course but the bite he gave to chiellini was not as bad as some elbows or headbutts that I have witnessed or some very dangerous 2 footed jumping tackles that were aimed at hitting the player.

A 4 month ban is sufficient as it is the 3rd time he has committed the same offence and it is an off the ball offence.

I agree that there are other plays, maliciously dangerous ones, that should be treated as seriously. Undoubtedly. But that's not for me to do but the authorities. I also agree that overall the punishment for Suarez seems reasonable to me. But I don't agree that his repeat biting offences should be defended in terms of someone saying "Yeah, but sure other things happen on the field that don't get so much publicity"

The topic for now is a player repeat offending in the biting department. That's the issue. How serious it is, how it needs to be stamped out, how fame and fortune and footballing ability (or the needs of a Professional club!) shouldn't preclude Suarez from being punished for it. And yes, the more often the offence, the more serious should be the punishment. My view is he's had his chances now. He's used up all his cards. Next time he bites it should be a lifetime ban.

by GSC Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:08 pm

The first one perhaps flash of anger. The next 2 theres a clear delay between contact when he decides to bite him. 1/3 a flash of anger at best for me.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:10 pm

GSC wrote:

The first one perhaps flash of anger. The next 2 theres a clear delay between contact when he decides to bite him. 1/3 a flash of anger at best for me.

because you are an expert in that field with your degree in Chemistry thumbsup

by GSC Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:11 pm

Now now C_S, we just got off 1 ban. How's Duty's lynch mob coming along?

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
To be honest I am not sure what your views are.

My opinion is that the bite was wrong of course but the bite he gave to chiellini was not as bad as some elbows or headbutts that I have witnessed or some very dangerous 2 footed jumping tackles that were aimed at hitting the player.

A 4 month ban is sufficient as it is the 3rd time he has committed the same offence and it is an off the ball offence.

I agree that there are other plays, maliciously dangerous ones, that should be treated as seriously. Undoubtedly. But that's not for me to do but the authorities. I also agree that overall the punishment for Suarez seems reasonable to me. But I don't agree that his repeat biting offences should be defended in terms of someone saying "Yeah, but sure other things happen on the field that don't get so much publicity"

The topic for now is a player repeat offending in the biting department. That's the issue. How serious it is, how it needs to be stamped out, how fame and fortune and footballing ability (or the needs of a Professional club!) shouldn't preclude Suarez from being punished for it. And yes, the more often the offence, the more serious should be the punishment. My view is he's had his chances now. He's used up all his cards. Next time he bites it should be a lifetime ban.

seems reasonable

by Scrumpy Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:15 pm

If Uruguay refuse to play does that mean Italy will get back in or will Colombia have a bye?

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:15 pm

GSC wrote:Now now C_S, we just got off 1 ban. How's Duty's lynch mob coming along?

My what, sorry?

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:17 pm

Scrumpy wrote:If Uruguay refuse to play does that mean Italy will get back in or will Colombia have a bye?

I imagine it would be too short notice to get Italy back in...they've already flown home haven't they?

by GSC Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:18 pm

Paddy Power ‏@paddypower 8m
Luis Suarez is set to seek advice from Fernando Torres, who has experienced nearly 3 years with very little football activity.

Laugh

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:18 pm

Scrumpy wrote:If Uruguay refuse to play does that mean Italy will get back in or will Colombia have a bye?

Would make sense to let Italy come back in but I doubt Uruguay will go through with their threat.

by Stella Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 pm

He should have been sent off and banned for the next game anyway, so not sure why Uruguay are moaning.

by Fernando Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 pm

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by Scrumpy Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:21 pm

Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

by Stella Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:22 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Not sure, but remember Ratin refusing to elave the pitch in 1966?

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:23 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

by Stella Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

Banned for what?

by SecretFly Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Yes. They forgot to turn off the gas. Close one!

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:25 pm

Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

Banned for what?

Drugs I believe

by Stella Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:26 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

Banned for what?

Drugs I believe

Oh yeah. That was the 2004 euros. I don't think England were refusing to go. Could be wrong?

by SecretFly Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:27 pm

Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

Banned for what?

Drugs I believe

Oh yeah. That was the 2004 euros. I don't think England were refusing to go. Could be wrong?

Of course they weren't refusing. They were English at the time. Only South Americans refuse to do things.

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:28 pm

Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Stella wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:Typical South American Hissy Fit if they do, didn't Argentina go home once?

Didn't England threaten to not go to the World cup if ferdinand was banned in 02?

Banned for what?

Drugs I believe

Oh yeah. That was the 2004 euros. I don't think England were refusing to go. Could be wrong?

They nearly pulled out of a qualifier against Turkey, but that was all, I believe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/1443628/England-strike-off-after-Rio-appeals-to-team.html

by DirectView2 Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:19 pm

GSC wrote:I can excuse a heat of the moment challenge, with an appropriate punishment.

I can't excuse anybody who makes a conscious effort to harm another player. A bite is not instinct for any rational human being raised in civilization.

Whats more surprising is the match wasn't stopped straight away and he be not red carded immediately.

Even dogs don't bite these days brought up in a civilized way. mad

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:30 pm

Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

hasn't stopped the English chanting En-ger-land

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:52 pm

'MURICA YEAH WOOOO

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:55 pm

130 goals at this World Cup - two were England's! Yahoo

by DirectView2 Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:57 pm

This is what somebody wrote on twitter on his biting

"This cannibal should be slapped with a lifetime ban. His team mates should book seperate flights home in case the plane goes down in the mountains. Imagine a crash and you're sitting beside a guy who likes to snack on human flesh. At least feed the man before the game." laughing

by CFCNick Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:11 pm

Duty281 wrote:Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

Haven't you heard the "I believe!", "I believe that!", "I believe that we!", "I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win!"

Quite catchy when they get going.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:13 pm

CFCNick wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

Haven't you heard the "I believe!", "I believe that!", "I believe that we!", "I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win!"

Quite catchy when they get going.

better than Enger-land til I die crap

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:13 pm

Wonderful strike by Mueller, feel sorry for Howard, though.

USA did doze off from the corner, however.

by The Special Juan Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:14 pm

Some strike there with the side of his foot. I can't even imagine how it's possible to generate the much power.

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:14 pm

CFCNick wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

Haven't you heard the "I believe!", "I believe that!", "I believe that we!", "I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win!"

Quite catchy when they get going.

Do they believe now? Wink

by kingraf Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:15 pm

Gyan is world class... easy as

by SecretFly Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:16 pm

Duty281 wrote:
CFCNick wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Now that the USA have a larger fan base for "soccer", is it possible for them to come up with a more imaginative chant than " Yew-Ess-A?

Haven't you heard the "I believe!", "I believe that!", "I believe that we!", "I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win, I believe that we will win!"

Quite catchy when they get going.

Do they believe now?

Cruel

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:18 pm

Ghana one all..pressure time!

by SecretFly Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:19 pm

Duty281 wrote:Ghana one up...pressure time!

The players must have got their plane full of cash transferred to the Swiss bank accounts.

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:21 pm

I of course meant one all..whoops!

by DirectView2 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:22 pm

So if Ghana wins 2-1 and USA lose 0-1, who will go to the next round? both are equal on points , goal difference and goals forward.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:23 pm

DirectView2 wrote:So if Ghana wins 2-1 and USA lose 0-1, who will go to the next round? both are equal on points , goal difference and goals forward.

Goals scored then goals against and then yellow cards and then red cards

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:26 pm

If Ghana score again and win, they go through

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:27 pm

Olly wrote:If Ghana score again and win, they go through

why?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:28 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Olly wrote:If Ghana score again and win, they go through

why?

Goals scored

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:29 pm

DirectView2 wrote:So if Ghana wins 2-1 and USA lose 0-1, who will go to the next round? both are equal on points , goal difference and goals forward.

It goes to drawing of lots as a last resort, but Ghana will have scored more than USA if they win 2-1.

by DirectView2 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:30 pm

Olly wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Olly wrote:If Ghana score again and win, they go through

why?
Goals scored

so the goals against doesn't matter?

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:32 pm

Points.
Goal difference.
Goals scored.
Head to head result.
Drawing of lots.

That's how its sorted, in that order. Could have happened with Nigeria-Iran, yesterday.

by Duty281 Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:38 pm

Portugal score...error by the Ghana keeper.

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