andy Lee vs BJS

Looks like the WBO just announced this for march next year. Should be a good fight but I think BJS is a bit too green. Lee by points for me

Lee on points really?

Yes lee has done well to win a title bit was being putboxed in his last two fights but his big ko power in his right hand got him out of trouble

Bjs struggled with eubanks size but he showed his great boxing skills at time too

Think he out points Lee and don't think he will get smashed by lees right as he won't go for the KO and walk onto something silly

Bjs by close points victory

Is this the first world title fight to be contested by two travelers?

Lee will lose

Ooh, I'd say Lee continues doing what he normally does and gets outboxed before landing a howitzer. To be honest, I don't think BJ has the defensive acumen to keep Lee out of the chicken coop for twelve rounds. At some point Lee sneaks through and knocks him out. One of the things about Lee is that he's actually a pretty sharp puncher, in terms of not wasting any geometry. Tends to complete the punch in the shortest arc required. If Eubanks was landing with his baseball style wind ups, I have to think Lee wins as I rate he's a much larger puncher than Eubanks.

Good little fight.


I'll stick my neck out tentatively and go BJS points if he doesn't walk on to anything silly. Pleased for Lee though the other day so will be watching this interesting technical matchup as a neutral.

Raf had nailed the analysis for me. Lee to nail bjs at some point. Although lee hasn't looked it of late, he is a classy boxer. He was an Amature world champ or pretty close, he's aquired this new power, which for me gives him more in his toolbox than billy joe. Lee by late round KO.

BJS on points. Although BJS is very vulnerable in the late rounds and could see himself caught by one of Lees big hooks and would be interesting to see if he can take a shot like that

No sooner had Andy lee won the belt, he's immediately ordered to go to purse bids with BJS. The mystery of commission governance continues.

Lee by late KO or BJS points. Lee has been getting out-boxed by both of his last two opponents, but was able to pull out the KO. BJS is a good boxer, and could be up on points late into the fight. But Lee carries pop. I think he can stop BJS late when he tires. A great little fight for us.

jimdig wrote:No sooner had Andy lee won the belt, he's immediately ordered to go to purse bids with BJS. The mystery of commission governance continues.

It's no mystery with the WBO sadly Jim, just like when they stripped Algeri for fighting Pacquiao, the WBO can't wait to get that belt off you if you don't pay towards their christmas party.

jimdig wrote:No sooner had Andy lee won the belt, he's immediately ordered to go to purse bids with BJS. The mystery of commission governance continues.

I watched an interview with Adam Booth on Kuggan Cassius's channel and it seemed they'd gone into talks with BJS's people a while before both guys fights and if both won this fight was gonna happen.

BJS was the mandatory. He stepped aside to fight Eubank under the condition he got first crack at Lee if he won. All agreed beforehand. Lee was about 4 on the ranking list so was lucky to get the shot. Nobody is being screwed.

I'd see it from the opposite angle Sean. BJS forfeited his mandatory status for a money fight with eubank. Only due to franks wbo connections, bjs really didn't forfeit anything, he gets an immediate fight with lee. 
I don't see it as open and honest I'm afraid, I see it as certain promotors having hold of all the strings. Personally I'm happy with the matchmaking, but I don't see it as above board.

Nothing is above board with any of the sanctioning bodies. I just thought you meant Lee had somehow been forced into it, which isn't the case. But you are correct, Warren has been in bed with the WBO for years.

Agreed, it's all over the place really. Even sticking to the wbo, manny I'd guess would not be forced into fighting a mandatory if it did suit him, or if that fighter was outside of top rank for that matter. There certainly wouldn't be an immediate ultimatum. 

I don't even think lee is being discriminated against, it's just par for the course regarding the sanctioning bodies. I doubt lee is even that bothered, there were probably strings pulled for him to fight korobov.

Lee probably fancies the BJS fight, tbh. After his last two knockouts he will feel pretty confident.

Right now I can't see anything other than a Lee win, BJS will win rounds but if he can't avoid the wild swings of Eubank then I don't think he'll avoid the more measured Lee right hand and if he connects he'll knock him out.

Definitely a lot to like in this fight. Two guys we're all familiar with from these shores or around them and from what I can see a very competitive fight that's hard to call with any real certainty.

Saunders has got the hand speed, the punch variety, the footwork etc. His problems are that he seems to tire down the stretch in fights, doesn't have a massive punch on him and his defence tends to lapse as fights as they go towards the championship rounds, too. He showed he's got a solid set of whiskers against Eubank Jr, but even then Eubank had him shaken up two or three times - and those big shots didn't start landing until about the seventh, eighth round in that fight. Eubank Jr didn't give himself enough time to complete the turnaround after giving away almost all of the early rounds, but suffice to say I'd be surprised if Lee doesn't start testing Saunders' chin a few rounds earlier than Eubank did.

As others have said, Saunders on points or Lee by knockout / stoppage, quite likely while behind on points, seem the most obvious choices here. I'm leaning to Saunders by decision right now. Lee's looking more comfortable at close range now and obviously his power is a weapon, but he can't rely on one-punch salvos all the time and in typical Booth style he's working at a relatively serene pace in fights and biding his time with a quality over quantity approach, so he's not particularly suited to taking advantage of Saunders' questionable stamina / conditioning.

I just think Saunders has got a little bit more to win with and has more scope for improvement than Lee does, so I'll say he takes it on points. But it's a very interesting fight and I wouldn't bet anything on it.

Yeh good analysis Chris as always.

I'd go with a Lee stoppage late on or a BJS UD.....

If it is a BJS win, then that surely sets up a rematch with Eubank Jr for a world title....that would be a massive fight as the first one was good (I had BJS winning handily but some had it a hell of a lot closer.)

Lee has been operating at a better level than BJS for quite a while now and he has world title fight experience. I think this will be a factor as well as Lee having a good boxing brain. He has rounded out his style with Booth who has built on Manny's foundations. I have no doubt Lee will be as good as BJS in the boxing stakes. Lee is a decent boxer especially at Euro/ fringe world level standard.

My money is on Lee winning comfortably after some well contested early rounds. As I said above I definitively do not subscribe to the theory that BJS will be comfortably the better boxer.

One thing that has impressed me with Saunders has been his ability to pull through in tight fights. He has a lot of heart and that is worth its weight in gold in the hurt business.

Fancy you picking Lee to win.............

Lee as good as BJS in the Boxing stakes ..........Gave up reading after that !!!!!

Watching the darts Truss?

Lescargo has ....

But I haven't been in much since i got back....but I like watching the Van Gerwen guy...

Hope he wins..............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fancy you picking Lee to win.............

Lee as good as BJS in the Boxing stakes   ..........Gave up reading after that !!!!!

Andy Lee can box going right back to the amateurs.

If the odds are any way decent I'll be going all in on Lee. Unfortunately I have a feeling the bookies will see it the same way I do

Carl Froch could box going right back to the amateurs, I wouldn't say it's a major strength of his now and he was a slightly better amateur as well.

For boxing skill BJS has the advantage but his lack of top level power compared to Lee's right hand is a big equalizer for the Irishman.

I think Lee gets outboxed early but lands a big one and wins mid to late...

Saunders has trouble sustaining..

I see it that Lee's boxing skills are being underestimated. Time will be the teller of all things.