Saracens - Munster

Didn't see a thread and I am stuck home watching. So I figured start a thread and see where it goes.

Gee,
That's a good idea, mon ami. A brilliant thought indeed.

Didn't think Saracens started too well, but that was a well worked try, don't you think?

Not really orgasmically good. More due to Munster defense not shifting wide, methinks.

Lovely interplay out wide with Big Billy running the decoy line.

Clumsy from Ashton. He's fortunate Zebo landed on his backside.

Ashton was lucky there.

I was tempted to see how long you would talk to yourself but might as well join in. Saracens scrum pretty much donimating. Sarries needed that try.

Not really sure why Ashton didn't get a yellow for running into Zebo. Did Zebo act it up a bit?

Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Zebo act it up? No. He was run into fair and square.
My retort is whether Ashton got stupid(er) playing at Saracens? Didn't do that at Saints.

Farrell seems to have gained a bit of form

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

OK. I thought it might be yellow because Ashton hit Zebo when he was still pretty high. I didn't know that's the law on the matter. Does keep it simple to adjudicate. Thanks.

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air. Ref too soft. should have been in the bin

Not really the law, just the general application.

Munster making some simple mistakes. That is not what I would have expected from Munster. Nor the scoreline.

doctor_grey wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

OK. I thought it might be yellow because Ashton hit Zebo when he was still pretty high. I didn't know that's the law on the matter. Does keep it simple to adjudicate. Thanks.

Its not. thats for tip tackles. any tackle in the air should be yellow unless its an accident collision which that was not

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

But it's not. And it never has. Strange to call a ref soft for doing what every one else does. If a tackle in the air is a yellow, it should say it in the law. It doesn't.

Great work from Wyles

Munster looking poor tho - how many knock ons?
Sarries scrum dominating - and doing the simple stuff well

Yeah, dropped catches really hurting Munster

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

But it's not. And it never has. Strange to call a ref soft for doing what every one else does. If a tackle in the air is a yellow, it should say it in the law. It doesn't.

Thats the guidance to the ref. all tackles in the air should be yellow. the only ones not given yellow are those where its accidental or both go for the ball. Ashton ran straight into him looking right at him. No attempt to pull out, not attempt to put him down safely. Yellow card every day. It was also a "no arms" tackle.

Look on the IRB site for it. Since the guidance came out on tackles in the air everyone should be yellow. Hopefully he is cited and banned,

HammerofThunor wrote:I was tempted to see how long you would talk to yourself but might as well join in. Saracens scrum pretty much donimating. Sarries needed that try.

Talk to myself? No, no, no. That was the OTHER bloke in my head.................

Ashton makes a complete hash of timing the challenge and tries to pull out. He makes contact but it's not dangerous so a penalty is fair. If Zebo had gone past the horizontal then a card would have been required.

Beautiful kick by Wyles for Ashton's second try.

Hopefully now the IRFU will wake up and start investing in coaches again.

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

But it's not. And it never has. Strange to call a ref soft for doing what every one else does. If a tackle in the air is a yellow, it should say it in the law. It doesn't.

Thats the guidance to the ref.  all tackles in the air should be yellow.  the only ones not given yellow are those where its accidental or both go for the ball. Ashton ran straight into him looking right at him.  No attempt to pull out, not attempt to put him down safely.  Yellow card every day

Look on the IRB site for it.  Since the guidance came out on tackles in the air everyone should be yellow.  Hopefully he is cited and banned,

TJ, I doubt Ashton would be banned for a missed yellow card call. If was red, and that was certainly not a red offense, then I think you are probably right. I raised the point because I had thought the same as you: hitting someone catching a kick in the air was automatic yellow. Not in the law book (just checked), and I was unaware of the direction given to the referees. Seems, like a lot of Rugby law applications, not 100% clear.

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

But it's not. And it never has. Strange to call a ref soft for doing what every one else does. If a tackle in the air is a yellow, it should say it in the law. It doesn't.

Thats the guidance to the ref.  all tackles in the air should be yellow.  the only ones not given yellow are those where its accidental or both go for the ball. Ashton ran straight into him looking right at him.  No attempt to pull out, not attempt to put him down safely.  Yellow card every day.  It was also a "no arms" tackle.

Look on the IRB site for it.  Since the guidance came out on tackles in the air everyone should be yellow.  Hopefully he is cited and banned,

Perhaps in the pro12. In the premiership it depends on the tip. Doesn't matter if it's accidental or not. If the guy tips it's a card. It's the same in Europe (see Payne, accidental but Goode landed on upper back/head so red). Can't see anything on the IRB website, link?

formerly known as Sam wrote:Ashton makes a complete hash of timing the challenge and tries to pull out. He makes contact but it's not dangerous so a penalty is fair. If Zebo had gone past the horizontal then a card would have been required.

Beautiful kick by Wyles for Ashton's second try.

It's a crazy way to apply the law the exact same tackle can result in 3 different punishments depending on how the player falls,so if Zebo had jumped differently Ahston could have seen yellow or red for doing the same thing he did there.Nuts but that's what we've got.Sad to see the day when rugby has a rule that's softer than soccer.

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

But it's not. And it never has. Strange to call a ref soft for doing what every one else does. If a tackle in the air is a yellow, it should say it in the law. It doesn't.

Thats the guidance to the ref.  all tackles in the air should be yellow.  the only ones not given yellow are those where its accidental or both go for the ball. Ashton ran straight into him looking right at him.  No attempt to pull out, not attempt to put him down safely.  Yellow card every day.  It was also a "no arms" tackle.

Look on the IRB site for it.  Since the guidance came out on tackles in the air everyone should be yellow.  Hopefully he is cited and banned,

Perhaps in the pro12. In the premiership it depends on the tip. Doesn't matter if it's accidental or not. If the guy tips it's a card. It's the same in Europe (see Payne, accidental but Goode landed on upper back/head so red).  Can't see anything on the IRB website, link?

http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?law=10.4

I've just logged on to wiziwig and it appears it has been shut down due to some changes in legislation. Does anyone else have a good one for rugby and this game? Can't really remember any of the other ones I used to view.

The Saint wrote:I've just logged on to wiziwig and it appears it has been shut down due to some changes in legislation. Does anyone else have a good one for rugby and this game? Can't really remember any of the other ones I used to view.

Just sent you a present. Hopefully you like it.

Sarries are taking them apart here. Very good display, very professional.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Ashton makes a complete hash of timing the challenge and tries to pull out. He makes contact but it's not dangerous so a penalty is fair. If Zebo had gone past the horizontal then a card would have been required.

Beautiful kick by Wyles for Ashton's second try.

It's a crazy way to apply the law the exact same tackle can result in 3 different punishments depending on how the player falls,so if Zebo had jumped differently Ahston could have seen yellow or red for doing the same thing he did there.Nuts but that's what we've got.Sad to see the day when rugby has a rule that's softer than soccer.

That's what has been decreed as the most important thing. It makes sense because you can make a mistake and miss time the challnge but either pull out or make sure the player comes down safely then that's a penalty. Be reckless and smash the player so there's no control in their landing then you get a card depending on how bad it is. Sounds fair.

Lol early jump, it was a perfectly timed lift. Disgraceful refereeing from the french policeman.

TJ wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Because he didn't tip at all. If they tip, it's yellow. If they land on head/neck it's a red.

Yellow card should be given for any tackle in the air.  Ref too soft.  should have been in the bin

It all depends which teams are playing, the Boks copped it big time for touching the player in the air from this particular referee

100% artificial pitches have no place in rugby union.

Good display by the Sarries here but a lot can still happen in 20 minutes..

formerly known as Sam wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Ashton makes a complete hash of timing the challenge and tries to pull out. He makes contact but it's not dangerous so a penalty is fair. If Zebo had gone past the horizontal then a card would have been required.

Beautiful kick by Wyles for Ashton's second try.

It's a crazy way to apply the law the exact same tackle can result in 3 different punishments depending on how the player falls,so if Zebo had jumped differently Ahston could have seen yellow or red for doing the same thing he did there.Nuts but that's what we've got.Sad to see the day when rugby has a rule that's softer than soccer.

That's what has been decreed as the most important thing. It makes sense because you can make a mistake and miss time the challnge but either pull out or make sure the player comes down safely then that's a penalty. Be reckless and smash the player so there's no control in their landing then you get a card depending on how bad it is. Sounds fair.

Yup - which is why Aston should have had a yellow as he did not puyll out or make sure Zebo landed safely - instead he made a back for him

Thank you Doc and rugby fan. Hope this is a good game!

Well, as Dallaglio said, not a vintage Munster team. Shame. Still, if a team can come back, we know who it is.

Yes Doc, if any team can it's Munster.

Why is POM scramming people?

Not sure Saint...

A penalty for that? Really?

Looking lively now!

Hhaha Vunipola completely off his feet allowed to steal the ball, what a joke rugby has become

That splash will be popular!

'twas a nice splash dive. Even the Russian judge gave a good score.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Ashton makes a complete hash of timing the challenge and tries to pull out. He makes contact but it's not dangerous so a penalty is fair. If Zebo had gone past the horizontal then a card would have been required.

Beautiful kick by Wyles for Ashton's second try.

It's a crazy way to apply the law the exact same tackle can result in 3 different punishments depending on how the player falls,so if Zebo had jumped differently Ahston could have seen yellow or red for doing the same thing he did there.Nuts but that's what we've got.Sad to see the day when rugby has a rule that's softer than soccer.

That's what has been decreed as the most important thing. It makes sense because you can make a mistake and miss time the challnge but either pull out or make sure the player comes down safely then that's a penalty. Be reckless and smash the player so there's no control in their landing then you get a card depending on how bad it is. Sounds fair.

If this was rugby the striker would have been penalised,how sad is that.

Well at least there's a new ref now Vince!