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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed May 06, 2015 9:45 am

"Cotto was offered such and such and turned it down...He's a coward "...

"Mayweather was offered such and such and turned it down....He's a coward"

Quigg vs Frampton....."1.5 million but there was probably strings attached and more to it, Eddie pulling a fast one !!!"

You gotta laugh..

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed May 06, 2015 5:17 pm

Yep

most on here despise Hearn for some reason

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed May 06, 2015 5:36 pm

Whats your point?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed May 06, 2015 6:48 pm

Haven't been on for a few days, does this make sense to anyone else on here?

Or is it just drunk jibberish.......??

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Post by Derbymanc Wed May 06, 2015 7:12 pm

He's got a point,

Why is it okay for Frampton to turn down a career high 1.5mil payday, yet not for any other fighter.

Cotto and the like have been lambasted for not fighting GGG despite the offers being there and it's all there fault. It happens to Frampton and everyones making excuses.

I don't see much of a difference but then as boxing fans most of us are fickle

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed May 06, 2015 7:25 pm

Cotta hasn't turned down a career high pay-day versus GGG, has he?

He gets lambasted because he is doing his best to hold a title whilst not fighting the best in the division (which is what Quigg is doing).

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Post by kingraf Wed May 06, 2015 7:29 pm

Who exactly did Golovkin turn down a fight against is the question I think?
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Post by kingraf Wed May 06, 2015 7:35 pm

Okay reading this again... He does have a point. But thats just assuming it's all equal. It really isn't. There aren't financial reasons for Cotto turning down the GGG fight. GGG is also his mandatory. Hearn controls the purse strings here, and I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to get screwed over. Is the fight a 50-50 type purse fight? You ask for what you think you're worth. Think it's Rowley, in his attempts to prove northerners can read, who always references Hatton's autobiography where Warren tried to sneak in a contract extension by sneaking the clause into a contract about expenses or something.
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Post by Derbymanc Wed May 06, 2015 7:36 pm

Think you've missed the point.
Frampton turned the money down and it's fine
Cotto turned the money down and is a coward
(Not sure why May's in there)

Double standards.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed May 06, 2015 7:47 pm

Cotto didn't turn down a career high paydy though, did he? So that's not comparable.
And Quigg isn't the GGG of his division, is he? So again, not comparable.

Maybe I'm just too easily confused this morning. But am still struggling with this....

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Post by Derbymanc Wed May 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Tis alright Toppy, I had to go over it a few times myself. Think Truss has just simplified it (I'm sure he'll be on to flesh it out.)

The way I read it is that you shouldn't give Cotto crap for turning down GGG as you were fine when Frampton turned down Quigg (Considering it was a career high pay day for Framps would mean he deserves more hassle), although I would say we should give Cotto crap for not actually facing MW's for the MW title he holds.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed May 06, 2015 7:52 pm

Like Raf has already said, we don't know what clauses are in the contracts or if they were ever officially offered. The most likely scenario is that neither of them think the reward is worth the risk.

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Post by Guest Wed May 06, 2015 7:55 pm

I've read it as TRUSS saying STRONGBACK is a tool for constantly moaning about Eddie, so on that basis I have no problem with the article. Can't be bothered discussing whether or not Frampton is a coward for refusing a flat fee when he believes that with a percentage of revenue he'd actually make more money, which seems reasonable

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed May 06, 2015 7:58 pm

Well GGG didn't exactly make demands to Cotto.

For example he didnt demand Cotto his got to fight him in Kazakstan, or on a particular TV platform. He basically just wants to fight Cotto on Cotto's terms and he still turned it down.

Can't believe posters are agreeing with Wumman.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed May 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Tis alright Toppy, I had to go over it a few times myself. Think Truss has just simplified it (I'm sure he'll be on to flesh it out.)

The way I read it is that you shouldn't give Cotto crap for turning down GGG as you were fine when Frampton turned down Quigg (Considering it was a career high pay day for Framps would mean he deserves more hassle), although I would say we should give Cotto crap for not actually facing MW's for the MW title he holds.

Still don't get it, seems like apples & oranges still.

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed May 06, 2015 8:21 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Still don't get it, seems like apples & oranges still.

Or a punnet of strawberries.
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed May 06, 2015 8:28 pm

Am starting to have my suspicions regarding Derbymanc. He's like Trussman but without the fullstops..........a clever ploy chin

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Post by hampo17 Wed May 06, 2015 8:28 pm

Since when did most on here start despising Eddie Hearn? Only one I can think of is Strongy.

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Post by milkyboy Wed May 06, 2015 9:03 pm

You have to give truss credit. When people aren't debating the outrageous double standards in his coherent posts they're debating what he actually means in his unintelligible ramblings.

The mighty truss has spoken. But what the Smeg does it all mean?

He'll be sat at home, fluffing one of his rent boys,  chuckling away to himself.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Wed May 06, 2015 9:11 pm

Can't be bothered going to work today. Bad times.

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Post by Gentleman01 Wed May 06, 2015 9:20 pm

Not often I say this, but I agree with TH..

Cotto is, rightly criticised, for refusing to fight GGG, the consensus #1 160lber and opting instead to fight a clearly softer opponent for less money in order to hold on to his title. I can't remember anyone calling Cotto a coward, and, if they have done, then it is nonsense of the highest order considering the company Cotto has kept over his career. Having said that, it's still a pretty blatant duck of a very dangerous, but relatively financially unrewarding opponent.

Frampton has been given an easier ride because, as TopHat has pointed out, Quigg is not the consensus #1 in his division, far from it in fact, and he is most certainly not considered a Super Bantamweight Golovkin.

Disappointed that Frampton vs. Quigg isn't happening, and, as such, I'm disappointed with Frampton's decision, but no one has called Cotto a coward and the two circumstances are clearly very different.

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Post by Derbymanc Wed May 06, 2015 9:44 pm

Suppose it's better than being told I'm Eddie Hearn, then one of his lackeys, one of his mates, an employee. I can be the mighty Yank instead Smile

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed May 06, 2015 11:07 pm

Derbymanc wrote:I can be the mighty Yank instead Smile

Defo confirmed now!!!!! Laugh

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed May 06, 2015 11:19 pm

Gentleman01 wrote:Not often I say this, but I agree with TH..

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Post by Derbymanc Wed May 06, 2015 11:21 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:I can be the mighty Yank instead Smile

Defo confirmed now!!!!! Laugh

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Post by Guest Wed May 06, 2015 11:43 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:I can be the weighty Yank instead Smile

Defo confirmed now!!!!! Laugh

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed May 06, 2015 11:45 pm

Looking for someone qualified to debate with me on here....

and failing miserably....

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Post by Guest Wed May 06, 2015 11:47 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Looking for someone qualified to debate with me on here....

and failing miserably....
Get over yourself, lad...bring a pair of long ladders

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Post by Lance Thu May 07, 2015 3:43 am

Golovkin has an entertaining KO reel so he can do what he wants.

Including turn down an offer from Sturm and refuse to negotiate a fight with Quilin on the basis that knocking out Ishida and Macklin do better for his image.

Or maybe the the better boxers are afraid of Golovkin, as some love to believe

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 07, 2015 4:02 am

Lance wrote:Golovkin has an entertaining KO reel so he can do what he wants.

Including turn down an offer from Sturm and refuse to negotiate a fight with Quilin on the basis that knocking out Ishida and Macklin do better for his image.

Or maybe the the better boxers are afraid of Golovkin, as some love to believe

I'm starting to like you lance.... Cool

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu May 07, 2015 4:10 am

Lance wrote:Golovkin has an entertaining KO reel so he can do what he wants.

Including turn down an offer from Sturm and refuse to negotiate a fight with Quilin on the basis that knocking out Ishida and Macklin do better for his image.

Or maybe the the better boxers are afraid of Golovkin, as some love to believe

What've you been smoking????!! You staying some pretty stupid things but this (almost) takes the biscuit!

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Post by Gentleman01 Thu May 07, 2015 4:34 am

Quillin vacated his belt rather than fight Golovkin, then laboured to a draw with Andy Lee. But sure, Golovkin wants no part of him...

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Post by Lance Thu May 07, 2015 4:54 am

There are two sides to every story. He who shouts loudest is not always telling the truth.

After Quilin beat Rosado he was awaiting Golovkin to beat Stevens, so they could discuss the potential fight. However it turned out team Golovkin had already booked their next Monte Carlo date and had another easy opponent already lined up.

Did they expect Quilin to keep waiting or did they already have their avoided story ready. Quilin moved on to other options.

This is what I heard, not sure why everything Golovkins team says is taken at face value. Although they did admit turning Sturm down a few years back

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Post by jimdig Thu May 07, 2015 5:57 am

Manny turned down floyds offer of a career high 40 million a few years ago. Was that wrong?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu May 07, 2015 7:43 pm

Lance wrote:There are two sides to every story. He who shouts loudest is not always telling the truth.

After Quilin beat Rosado he was awaiting Golovkin to beat Stevens, so they could discuss the potential fight. However it turned out team Golovkin had already booked their next Monte Carlo date and had another easy opponent already lined up.

Did they expect Quilin to keep waiting or did they already have their avoided story ready. Quilin moved on to other options.

This is what I heard, not sure why everything Golovkins team says is taken at face value. Although they did admit turning Sturm down a few years back

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Post by Gentleman01 Thu May 07, 2015 8:22 pm

Quillin held the belt, Golovkin was mandatory challenger for the belt. The fight was ordered and Qullin vacated. Golovkin then fought for the belt. What was Quillin going to say? "Yeah, didn't fancy it, he hits too hard and I reckon I'd have lost, so I vacated"?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu May 07, 2015 8:24 pm

Are you not getting Golovkin confused with Matt Korobov?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu May 07, 2015 8:27 pm

Actually, think that was Korobov.

Still can't see where Lancey gets the idea GGG 'refused to negotiate' with Quillin though. Quillin is the ducker here.

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Post by Gentleman01 Thu May 07, 2015 8:28 pm

Actually, yes, that's Korobov. Disregard my last post!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu May 07, 2015 8:29 pm

Point still stands though that Quillin has ducked a big punching Eastern European or two.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 07, 2015 8:47 pm

Have no time for Quillin he's a waster !!...............

If you can make Manny-May happen...........I have no doubts you can get a decent fight for GGG.......

Guys went in with brutal fighters like Chavez and Tyson...without thinking twice..

Make the quality a decent offer..............

Don't buy into fighters like Macklin, Geale and Monroe jr fancying the job and yet all the top fighters don't !!


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Post by Derbymanc Thu May 07, 2015 8:57 pm

Macklin, Geale and Monroe Jr, had nothing to lose really Truss, the top guys have their positions to lose.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 07, 2015 10:09 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Macklin, Geale and Monroe Jr, had nothing to lose really Truss, the top guys have their positions to lose.

Everyone has a price.........

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Post by Derbymanc Thu May 07, 2015 10:18 pm

Depends on how short your willing to price yourself though Truss, GGG seems to be the name at the moment so you'd hope that some of the top guys would be willing to test themselves.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 07, 2015 10:24 pm

Well look the reason..Truth Williams, Tubbs, Douglas, Thomas, Tillis, Biggs, Holmes all took shots at Iron mike was because they could earn five times more than they could for anyone else.....

He was far more intimidating than this guy....

I've just phoned up Ricky Hatton and offered him out in the Work's car park at lunch time  for a 100 bucks...

He said ...No.......

He's ducking me..


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Post by Derbymanc Thu May 07, 2015 10:32 pm

Not the point Truss and you know your putting an extreme example there.

GGG's been getting million dollar paydays (I think) so why should he drop way below that???

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 07, 2015 10:39 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Not the point Truss and you know your putting an extreme example there.

GGG's been getting million dollar paydays (I think) so why should he drop way below that???

Am I asking GGG to drop his demands ??

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Post by Derbymanc Thu May 07, 2015 11:05 pm

He'll have to if the money the others are demanding are excessive and not what his team have at their disposal

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu May 07, 2015 11:13 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Not the point Truss and you know your putting an extreme example there.

GGG's been getting million dollar paydays (I think) so why should he drop way below that???

Am I asking GGG to drop his demands ??

Yes, you are.

The available pot of money is essentially fixed, therefore if GGG were to do what you say and just make stupid high offers (though note Quillin still ducked Korobov in spite of a career high payday) then his proportion of the pot would have to reduce.

Can't imagine there's more than a couple of million in that pot, you're suggesting pretty much the entire thing is spent to coax N American duckers out from their holes.

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Post by AdamT Thu May 07, 2015 11:24 pm

I am not really getting into a debate about this. However I will say, I hope GGG gets to fight somebody good soon.

He is a good fighter and getting no younger. I would like to see him tested. No disrespect to Murray and Geale etc, I mean somebody truly elite. If he can't get it at middle perhaps he can try Super Middle.

He would find a good few challenges there. I know he hasn't the biggest frame but he is strong and has great power. I think he would make a great addition to a pretty stacked divison.

If he can't get Canelo, Cotto and the like soon, he should move up.

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