fav Brit/Irish Fighter ever

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote: Truth is Bugner's losing effort against a close to prime joe Frazier is a performance level up from anything cooper did in the ring. Even if joe's borderline pacifism regularly stank the place out.:

Obvious rebuttal is Cooper came closer to beating Ali than Bugner did.............

Ali is a better heavy...than frazier !!

"He lost better than him".......Scraping the barrel......What bollox !!!!

Obvious rebuttal if you haven't watched both fights beefster! Bugner was inconsistent but at his best a better fighter than cooper.

Good to know that comparing performances in defeats (which I didn't to by the way) is scraping the barrel. We can now give equal weighting to duran being rolled like a drunk by hearns  as we do to, say, Leonard losing to duran.

Anyway, Is this the new boxing board politics thread? Want to pick up that discussion we had about polls and the electability of ed miliband...  that we parked a few years back?

If you were a Man...I'd take you outside and bum you!!.

PS..Don't confuse me with an Ed Miliband fan..

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

milkyboy wrote: Truth is Bugner's losing effort against a close to prime joe Frazier is a performance level up from anything cooper did in the ring. Even if joe's borderline pacifism regularly stank the place out.:

Obvious rebuttal is Cooper came closer to beating Ali than Bugner did.............

Ali is a better heavy...than frazier !!

"He lost better than him".......Scraping the barrel......What bollox !!!!

Obvious rebuttal if you haven't watched both fights beefster! Bugner was inconsistent but at his best a better fighter than cooper.

Good to know that comparing performances in defeats (which I didn't to by the way) is scraping the barrel. We can now give equal weighting to duran being rolled like a drunk by hearns  as we do to, say, Leonard losing to duran.

Anyway, Is this the new boxing board politics thread? Want to pick up that discussion we had about polls and the electability of ed miliband...  that we parked a few years back?

If you were a Man...I'd take you outside and bum you!!.

PS..Don't confuse me with an Ed Miliband fan..

88Chris05 wrote:Well Cooper was pretty long in the tooth by then for sure, Truss (as he said in 2008 when Setanta got him and Bugner together for an interview, by that point his right hand was "only good for wiping away the sweat"), but then again Buger was only twenty-one and pretty green in all likelihood. Other side of his peak to Henry, but not at his peak all the same.

But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.

88Chris05 wrote:Well Cooper was pretty long in the tooth by then for sure, Truss (as he said in 2008 when Setanta got him and Bugner together for an interview, by that point his right hand was "only good for wiping away the sweat"), but then again Buger was only twenty-one and pretty green in all likelihood. Other side of his peak to Henry, but not at his peak all the same.

But who wins peak for peak is irrelevant really. What is relevant is that when they did fight, most people seem to have no fundamental issue with Bugner getting the verdict even if they scored the fight for Cooper by a slither due to how close it was - but if you gauged it purely on Cooper's reaction and subsequent hostility towards Bugner and Gibbs, you'd think it was a highway job. Bugner was just doing his job at the end of the day and hindsight (in the sense of his career going on to be a largely disappointing and unfulfilled one) doesn't mean that the media backlash he got in 1971 was justified.

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

ZZ wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Hatton was rubbish and we all know it. Most overachieving boxer ever, no skills just maul foul, push elbow.

  not seen much of Hatton then.

ZZ wrote:Oh and im white and working class too, just not a sheep.

Atila wrote:That's the shortest post I've ever seen posted by you Chris.

ZZ wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

ZZ wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Hatton was rubbish and we all know it. Most overachieving boxer ever, no skills just maul foul, push elbow.

  not seen much of Hatton then.

Nah he was rubbish and you know it. Way overated by joe public.

You just idolise anything white and working class no matter how technically crap.

horizontalhero wrote:Absolutely no prizes for guessing my picks as being Kirkland Laing and Herol Graham- especially Laing who was the boxing equivalent of a stoned Roy of the Rovers- Spliff out, glove up, bamboozle the opponent then home for a Red Stripe. Both may be remembered as under achievers, but their level of skill was out of this world,and when they were on their game just a joy to watch, and their un-canny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory made  watching them all the more exciting- you were always asking yourself 'is this finally the night when they justify their ability".

Nico the gman wrote:

horizontalhero wrote:Absolutely no prizes for guessing my picks as being Kirkland Laing and Herol Graham- especially Laing who was the boxing equivalent of a stoned Roy of the Rovers- Spliff out, glove up, bamboozle the opponent then home for a Red Stripe. Both may be remembered as under achievers, but their level of skill was out of this world,and when they were on their game just a joy to watch, and their un-canny knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory made  watching them all the more exciting- you were always asking yourself 'is this finally the night when they justify their ability".

I would have loved to have seen Bomber win a world title, even at 38 Bomber gave Brewer nightmares dropping him twice before running out of gas and getting stopped. Bomber must watch the Jackson fight and cringe, he had it won and got careless. Would have been a certain world champion if he'd been around now IMO.