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Post by Jermaine2015 Sun 31 May 2015, 9:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

Monday, 1 June 2015

Philippe Chatrier (10:00 UK start)
Seed Player Player Seed Competition
13
Safarova (CZE)
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Sharapova (RUS)
2 Women's Singles
13
Monfils (FRA)
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Federer (SWI)
2 Men's Singles
1
S Williams (US)
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Stephens (US)
Women's Singles
1
Djokovic (SER)
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Gasquet (FRA)
20 Men's Singles

Suzanne Lenglen (10:00 UK start)
Seed Player Player Seed Competition
28
Pennetta (ITA)
v
Muguruza Blanco (SPA)
21 Women's Singles
3
Murray (GB)
v
Chardy (FRA)
Men's Singles

Sock (US)
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Nadal (SPA)
6 Men's Singles
4
Kvitova (CZE)
v
Bacsinszky (SWI)
23 Women's Singles

Court 1
Seed Player Player Seed Competition
9
Cilic (CRO)
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Ferrer (SPA)
7 Men's Singles
17
Errani (ITA)
v
Goerges (GER)
Women's Singles

Mitu (ROM)
v
Van Uytvanck (BEL)

I'm pretty sure that the fella called Nadal's the NINE Champion...second match in a row on Lenglen...


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Post by slashermcguirk Mon 01 Jun 2015, 1:55 pm

Can't stand these commentators for Murray match on Eurosport. Just fawning over Murray on every shot like his arm is like a magic wand, unrivalled mental strength!!

Would you give me a break!! Don't get me wrong Murray is a super player but you would swear he is the greatest player of all time they are talking about!

Pathetic how over the top it is

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Post by bogbrush Mon 01 Jun 2015, 1:56 pm

Jahu wrote:Stan will fold to Fed quickly. Will not be a great match.
I tend to agree.

It's like some top players give him really big arithmetic questions to answer while Roger poses quite small integration by parts* or implicit differentiation* challenges.


* You can tell the kids are in their A level Maths programme and Dad is helping......
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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 1:59 pm

Warwrinka pays him too much respect.

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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:03 pm

bb, agree, unless Fed turns with a bad mood and just freezes.

otherwise Stan is getting turned on more for fight by Nadal and Djoko matches, same when Fed fires up for Djoko matches.
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Post by temporary21 Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:05 pm

Slasher. Itv 4 has the match with Jim courier at the mic. What are doing over there son?

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:05 pm

No doubt Chardy has weapons. Andy needs to keep pressing, keep him on the run, and the errors should come. Have to feel that Andy will, ultimately, have too much, but it's more precariously poised than I was expecting.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:09 pm

Great game from Andy to break. Clung on unbelievably in one point. Serving for set now.

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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:10 pm

its good for Andy to lose a set here and there, harden him up for Nadal and Djoko.
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Post by LuvSports! Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:10 pm

Stan can really lose matches, Feds doesn't on the whole.

I really hope stan plays his best and doesn't fall meekly as he did in Rome.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:13 pm

Wow! Incredible BHDTL from Chardy, but Andy somehow spoons it back and Chardy misses the drive volley.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:13 pm

He can providing he doesn't do notworthy
He has proven how well he can play against other top players.

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Post by temporary21 Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:14 pm

Sloane Stephens s double break up on serenade as murray wins the third

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Post by temporary21 Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:15 pm

Anyone else hate autocorrect ...

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:15 pm

Andy seals it on his second set point. Strong favourite now, but far from over.

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Post by slashermcguirk Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:19 pm

Itv 4, boy I wish I had that station! This commentary is horrendous

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Post by bogbrush Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:20 pm

temporary21 wrote:Anyone else hate autocorrect ...

Not me, autoerotic prevents a lot of embarrassing pisstakes.
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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:20 pm

Come on Sloane, crush the whale.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:21 pm

I like how much neater a clay court looks at the beginning of a set.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:26 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Itv 4, boy I wish I had that station! This commentary is horrendous
Petchey can get carried away, particularly where Murray is concerned, but I don't mind him and Courier is good.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:28 pm

Andy dodges a bullet on break point. Delicate half-volley drop shot wards it off. First break point he's saved the whole match.

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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:31 pm

Come on Sloan, 6:1 first set for her.

go go go
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:31 pm

Match continues to be finely poised, but Murray has what could be the crucial break in the 4th.

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Post by temporary21 Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:32 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:
slashermcguirk wrote:Itv 4, boy I wish I had that station! This commentary is horrendous
Petchey can get carried away, particularly where Murray is concerned, but I don't mind him and Courier is good.
One last thing. Eurosport player has non commentary options

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Post by CaledonianCraig Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:33 pm

I would say now I'd be less hopeful of Andy winning against Ferrer than I was prior to that potential match-up earlier in this tournament. Andy's serve has fluctuated a bit too much in the tournament and has dropped sets where I may not have expected him to. Anyway Andy still has a job to do to get to the quarters.
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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:34 pm

CC Andy will crush Ferrer, come on, put your positive hat on.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:35 pm

Chardy too gentlemanly there. Could have clobbered it at the body from close range, but guides it on to Murray's racquet instead. He could do with some coaching from Lendl....

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:36 pm

Murray never crushes Ferrer. I would be surprised if Murray won 2bh. He has improved but Ferrer moves better than Murray on clay imo.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:38 pm

Jahu wrote:CC Andy will crush Ferrer, come on, put your positive hat on.

If he is passive like he has been for lengthy spells today then Ferrer will grind him down. Got to be impressed as well by Ferrer hammering Cilic in straight sets so he is obviously in better nick than I was giving him credit for.
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Post by Jahu Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:39 pm

Andy saving energy for the next match, he knows he can beat Chardy half a sleep, and give some hope to the french crowd for their guy.
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Post by temporary21 Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:40 pm

Oh what a point from Andy there though. Ferrer v him if it happens would be a worthy match

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:42 pm

Murray's clay game does show signs of receding from its high water mark.

Still a good favourite for the match against Ferrer though. Might be a battle but taking three sets off Andy will be tough for Ferrer.

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Post by kingraf Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:42 pm

I reckon if Serena had to pick
her conqueror... sloane would not make top 500
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:43 pm

Wonderful scampering from Andy and he has the double break. Surely Chardy will have had enough now.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:44 pm

Albeit Andy leads the h 2 h he has never yet beaten Ferrer on clay

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:45 pm

kingraf wrote:I reckon if Serena had to pick
her conqueror...  sloane would not make top 500

Do they not get on?

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:47 pm

Andy hands the break back. Not sure exactly how, as ITV went for a saunter round RG.

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:49 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Albeit Andy leads the h 2 h he has never yet beaten Ferrer on clay
True. He'll pose a threat.

But Andy has the better weapons and if it comes down to a scrambling contest, I think Andy will have the edge there too.

I wouldn't see a Ferrer win as an enormous upset but it's 65/35 in favour of Andy in my mind.

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:51 pm

I'm surprised so many are confident Murray will beat Ferrer. As Haddie says he's never beaten Ferrer on the dirt in their 4 matches there.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:51 pm

Chardy blows it with a couple of wild errors. Double break restored at 5-2.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:53 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:Albeit Andy leads the h 2 h he has never yet beaten Ferrer on clay
True. He'll pose a threat.

But Andy has the better weapons and if it comes down to a scrambling contest, I think Andy will have the edge there too.

I wouldn't see a Ferrer win as an enormous upset but it's 65/35 in favour of Andy in my mind.

Well I'd agree but it depends on what Andy steps on court as in the gameplan he deploys and shots he plays. He has been too passive for long spells and unless he is more aggressive against Ferrer then Ferrer will win for me.
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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:53 pm

I think its debateable HM
This is the BO 5 and Ferrer can scamper until the cows come home. Andy will have job to tire him. He needs an early lead on David.
For me Erm lets put it this way it should be a close match Wink

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:55 pm

LuvSports! wrote:I'm surprised so many are confident Murray will beat Ferrer. As Haddie says he's never beaten Ferrer on the dirt in their 4 matches there.
Murray's playing better on the surface and Ferrer is another year older.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:56 pm

Murray wins in four sets and moves through to the QF's where he will play David Ferrer. Time to go up a couple of gears I reckon.
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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:56 pm

Laugh Real logic there HM if I had a hat I would take it off Rolling Eyes

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:57 pm

And it's done. Good 4 set workout in the end for Andy. No really tight sets, so not overly long. Bring on the ferret!

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 2:57 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:I think its debateable HM
This is the BO 5 and Ferrer can scamper until the cows come home. Andy will have job to tire him. He needs an early lead on David.
For me Erm lets put it this way it should be a close match Wink
I wouldn't be surprised if it went to 5 but if the 28 year old Andy Murray, in the best clay form of his life, can't beat 33 year old David Ferrer in Bo5, then he has to ask himself some serious questions.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 01 Jun 2015, 3:02 pm

I think that is a little harsh HM , you have Andy who is not a natural born clay play, playing a man that has been born to the dirt, with more experience of winning on that surface. And not giving credit to the older man. Shocked
If you rate Federer on this surface, and not Ferrer because of age Headscratch not sure of that argument

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 3:02 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Laugh Real logic there HM if I had a hat I would take it off  Rolling Eyes
Don't be intimidated by my intellectual gifts, Haddie. Wink

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 01 Jun 2015, 3:09 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:I think that is a little harsh HM , you have Andy who is not a natural born clay play, playing a man that has been born to the dirt, with more experience of winning  on that surface. And not giving credit to the older man. Shocked
If you rate Federer on this surface, and not Ferrer because of age  Headscratch not sure of that argument
I don't rate Federer on this surface anymore, at least not Bo5.

And as much as we talk about Ferrer winning on this surface, what has he really won? Nothing at 1000 level or above.

His airmiles ensure he keeps the clay titles ticking over but he's not top level on the surface.

We can't on the one hand group Andy in a notional "Big 4" and then start sweating over him facing Ferrer.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Mon 01 Jun 2015, 3:10 pm

LuvSports! wrote:I'm surprised so many are confident Murray will beat Ferrer. As Haddie says he's never beaten Ferrer on the dirt in their 4 matches there.
Before his current run Andy had never beaten a top 8 player on clay. Granted, a good number of those top 8 defeats were to Rafa and Nole, but it was a horrible record all the same. He seems to have got that clay inferiority complex off his back now. Combine that with the fact that Daveed is not quite the same player he once was and I don't think the history on clay is all that significant, although it will give Daveed a bit of a mental boost. I do feel optimistic about Andy's chances, but wouldn't be at all surprised if he lost either.

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