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Post by sab275 Sat 06 Jun 2015, 6:59 pm

The guy lasted against Wilder, certainly a step up and for me an interesting match up.

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Post by Pound-for-Pound Sat 06 Jun 2015, 7:36 pm

More of a leap than a step. I reckon they should go with someone like Takam who easily beat Tony Thompson and gave Povetkin a very good fight. He poses a real challenge, we can compare Joshua's performance to Povetkin's and he should give rounds.

The problem is that Hearn is more interested in putting Joshua in with fighters who have name recognition rather than the ability to provide a stern test. Meaning his next opponent will probably be Thompson, and Hearn will talk about his victories over Price as if the losses afterwards never happened.

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Post by Strongback Sun 07 Jun 2015, 1:56 pm

I would like to see Stiverne v Joshua.  It would burst the hype bubble nicely.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 07 Jun 2015, 2:14 pm

Unless he comfortably won of course which is more than possible considering Wilder beat him.

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Post by RanjitPatel Sun 07 Jun 2015, 3:16 pm

Too big a jump from Johnson to Stiverne. He's looked good beating blokes who don't fancy a fight. Putting him in with a bloke who held a world title a fight ago would just be daft of Hearn and he doesn't do daft.

He said himself on Talksport that he's 12-18 months away from being ready to fight Tyson Fury so any decent fights are a long way off.

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Post by catchweight Sun 07 Jun 2015, 3:52 pm

It would be good if they took Joshua along the traditional routes of collecting the British, Commonwealth and European titles as that provides the kind of good fights that a fighter needs to progress (Lennox Lewis followed this route). He could be facing Price, Browne, Chisora who I would expect him to beat but arent guys just going to show up to roll over and are genuinely interesting fights.

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Sun 07 Jun 2015, 4:36 pm

Rumour has it Joshua's fighting Dillian Whyte next. Maybe a tilt at the British title towards the end of the year. He won't be facing anyone dangerous for a year or two.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 07 Jun 2015, 4:40 pm

Dillian Whyte at this stage is the definition of a dangerous fight and would be for the British title I think which is currently vacant.

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Post by milkyboy Sun 07 Jun 2015, 5:12 pm

There's a bit of bad blood between them, and the amateur defeat and knock down gives it an edge. Whyte's been calling him out, and whilst I'm not sure he's a world beater he will come to fight... Which makes it a step up. Think he's getting over a hand injury so hasn't fought for a few months.

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Sun 07 Jun 2015, 5:29 pm

Yes sorry. Joshua will probably have another tune up fight before facing Whyte for the British title which no doubt is the 'big' fight Eddie has been suggesting. Whyte is a decent opponent for Joshua at this stage, but he's no Bermane Stiverne. It's going to be another couple years before Joshua faces a decent ranked contender.

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Post by Lance Mon 08 Jun 2015, 7:37 am

Stiverne would win comfortably. Joshua is nowhere near ready for this, and it would be unfair to expect him to be. Not sure Joshua will have to face such tough fights before title shots anyway.

Who has Fury beaten to be mandatory? Chisora twice and Johnson. Its amusing really

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Mon 08 Jun 2015, 11:34 am

It wasn't Fury's fault Haye bottled it though, and Chisora was a high ranked contender when he fought him. Hearn will no doubt choose the path of least resistance to a title for Joshua, but you'd think there'd be at least one tough opponent along the way.

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Post by milkyboy Mon 08 Jun 2015, 12:18 pm

Lance wrote:  Stiverne would win comfortably. Joshua is nowhere near ready for this, and it would be unfair to expect him to be.  Not sure Joshua will have to face such tough fights before title shots anyway.

Who has Fury beaten to be mandatory? Chisora twice and Johnson. Its amusing really

Who knows whether the hydration issues for stiverne were a one off and what he will have left in the locker going forward. He clearly has some whiskers... But I wouldn't be confident in such a prediction. Too early for him? Yes. But we don't know how good joshua is and until he fights someone who fights back we won't know. He might be good enough now.

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Post by Guest Mon 08 Jun 2015, 12:36 pm

When you consider Stiverne has issues due to the fact he had to shift a load of weight before the Wilder match, it suggests he's not the most dedicated of fighters if he's ballooning up badly after winning the title and against a hard-hitting, spiteful piece of work like Joshua, there's every possibility any cutting of corners will be highlighted in a very painful manner.

Yes Joshua still has plenty of flaws, he didn't seem willing or able to work Johnson's body when he was on the ropes but he immediately highlighted that failing in subsequent interviews so he knows where he went wrong. He's improving at a very decent rate, building his confidence without getting ahead of himself but the lack of decent tests is something Eddie needs to think about. Does he build Joshua's CV with another half dozen meaning highlight reel KO's and test the public's patience to the limit or move the lad up in class and run the risk of the next big thing looking less than stellar?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 1:28 pm

RanjitPatel wrote:

He said himself on Talksport that he's 12-18 months away from being ready to fight Tyson Fury so any decent fights are a long way off.  


Which is a frankly embarassing statement.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 1:35 pm

Getting almost bored of Joshua now, almost coming round to Trussy's way of thinking that he just needs to risk that '0' and really challenge himself.

Stiv is a great shout, but maybe in 6-9 months/3 fights time. Really want to see that Whyte fight. Would like that and either Price or TT and maybe Wach then Stiv.

C'mon AJ, sh!t or get off the pot....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 2:40 pm

Stifferne ...............lasts six minutes....

Just going to have to put up with two round blowouts until they see fit to give him a shot at the title...

He's a better man's Bruno and we all saw Bruno outbox Lewis until he got knackered !!

So what chance have these chumps got !!

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Post by Strongback Mon 08 Jun 2015, 2:44 pm

If Wilder couldn't knock out a depleted Stiverne in 12 rounds I don't see how Joshua can do it.

The Joshua hype around here has gone supersonic,

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 2:45 pm

Joshua is about three stone heavier....Punches straight and makes fighters crap their pants..

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Post by mikeymax71 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 7:39 pm

AJ is a good prospect but going from cannon fodder to a very recent former world champion is a massive step up. As already been stated by going the old fashion route of British, Commonwealth and European will provide plenty of decent learning fights until a real big test. Price, Chisora (don't know much about or seen Whyte fight) domestically, Brown (Commonwealth), as well as a solid contingent on the European scene needs to be next up. 12-18 months should see him clean up those said titles and looking to challenge the the flag bearers of the division.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 08 Jun 2015, 7:48 pm

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He said himself on Talksport that he's 12-18 months away from being ready to fight Tyson Fury so any decent fights are a long way off.  


Which is a frankly embarassing statement.

The shock that a novice Heavyweight doesn't expect to be fighting at world level within 20 fights, it's almost as if he's going against the grain with his development when in fact he's going down the tried and tested route since time immemorial.

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Post by catchweight Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:05 pm

Stiverne is pretty average. I would fancy Joshua to beat him.

Joshua is being undermatched so far. Absolutely no risks whatsoever taken so far. Seriously, put him in with someone who will at least attempt to fight back.

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Post by Rowley Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:09 pm

There was an interview with Joshua over the weekend on Sky, not sure if this contradicts the talksport one greatly but he says he thinks he would beat Fury now and would love the fight, but knows 12 or 18 months from now he would really do a number on him.

I think some of the criticism of Joshua is bordering on the OTT now. How old is he, 24? If he takes another 18 months to get to world level does it really matter? He is a heavyweight, if he wins the world title at 27 he still has a good 8 years left in him.

Think people also need to be realistic about the state of the division. The division is still pretty poor, what this means is two things, one there are not a glut of solid, competently skilled gate keeper types out there who will guarantee Joshua rounds or difficult questions. The second thing this means is the contenders out there know you're never more than two decent wins away from becoming mandatory for one of the titles. Joshua has a big look of all risk no reward for many of the divisions fighters.

That is not to say he can't step it up and obviously needs to be doing so fairly soon, but I genuinely get the impression with fans sometimes we want to be the first to label guys hype jobs and then desperately want to see our prophecy fulfilled. Joshua has time on his side, if we're still having the same conversations in a year (a full three years after he turned pro I might add) you may all have a point, until them calm down and give the kid a break.

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Post by Hands Of Stone Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:16 pm

Price shoudve fought a fighter like stiverne after he knocked out Skelton, wouldve knocked him out in 2 rounds right...........No? Whys that, hed beaten the crap outta everyone so far......so surely he was world class right

Joshua needs to develop level by level, Whyte is a smart move as are the Tony Thompsons of this world, he keeps blasting them out then he keeps upping the level of comp, but you dont jump straight ti fighters like sticerne who have power skill and a granite chin. This is heavyweight, any fight carries a KO risk

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:18 pm

Rowley bugger off back to the Culture threads, you're sensible and reasonable posts aren't wanted here.

The division is so crap that unless you're fighting Wlad or Povetkin then it doesn't mean a great deal unless you lose. Joshua could well be good enough to do a number on Stiverne or Wilder in his next fight but it would be sheer stupidity from his team to chuck him against them without first slowly building him up. Whyte isn't great by any means from what i've seen but it at least would have some spite to it, they don't like each other and is the perfect fight for a 13-0 novice with very few amateur fights.

Whyte, Price and Chisora seems a reasonable path to take to me then onto somebody like Takam or Wach then move onto the likes of Stiverne or Wilder, it won't be overly exciting but it's a necessary and safe path to take.

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Post by RanjitPatel Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:41 pm

Price is too good for Joshua to be using him as a learning fight. Too dangerous and hits too hard for it to be worth taking the chance on.

Not saying he would, but Price could beat Joshua at this stage. Why take the chance?

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Post by catchweight Mon 08 Jun 2015, 10:24 pm

Its not that the journeymen are not around, its that they now pass for world class contenders because the division is poor.

Stiverne would be the quintessential journeyman in many of the past era's. He is 36 and not actually done a whole lot. His claim to fame is holding a title by virtue of beating another journeymen-esque level heavyweight like Chris Arreola. Of course when you earmark fighters like this as being outrageously risky then actual journeymen of the era (Sprott, Johnson etc) that can test Joshua are going to be non existant.

Nothing wrong with fans wanting a bit more from a boxer with obvious potential, a gold medal and the grandstand build up like Joshua. No reason he couldnt be contesting Domestic or European titles at this stage.

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Post by Strongback Mon 08 Jun 2015, 11:22 pm

Who has the most powerful straight right: Price or Wlad.  When Price connects opponents go down and they stay down for a long time.

Price showed how important confidence is, does Joshua have any demons?

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Post by Scottrf Tue 09 Jun 2015, 10:08 am

I think I'm 12-18 months from being able to beat Fury.

How is Joshua not ready?

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Post by Guest Tue 09 Jun 2015, 10:21 am

When that bell rings he'll be 12-18 minutes from beating Fury

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Post by mobilemaster8 Tue 09 Jun 2015, 11:30 am

Think that's being unfair on Joshua that Dave.

I'd say 6 minutes at best

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 9:10 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
RanjitPatel wrote:

He said himself on Talksport that he's 12-18 months away from being ready to fight Tyson Fury so any decent fights are a long way off.  


Which is a frankly embarassing statement.

The shock that a novice Heavyweight doesn't expect to be fighting at world level within 20 fights, it's almost as if he's going against the grain with his development when in fact he's going down the tried and tested route since time immemorial.

My point is Tyson Fury should not be considered 'world level' by any normal definition or yardstick.

He's vulnerable and not someone AJ should be suggesting he needs another 5 to 8 fights before he's ready for.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 9:59 am

Hearn did an interview where he mentioned Ustinov for Joshua in September then Whyte in November

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Post by Sam_London Thu 11 Jun 2015, 12:57 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:Hearn did an interview where he mentioned Ustinov for Joshua in September then Whyte in November

Most probably, it will be a Monte Barrett type fighter. I've seen Joshua fight live and I think he might be the real deal. So I don't think there's any point in holding him back much longer. Get him into the mix.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 2:26 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:Hearn did an interview where he mentioned Ustinov for Joshua in September then Whyte in November

Would be happy with that.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 2:50 pm

All for learning fights.....Just a shame there is no one to teach him anything...

Stalling for stalling sake..

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Post by milkyboy Thu 11 Jun 2015, 3:06 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:Hearn did an interview where he mentioned Ustinov for Joshua in September then Whyte in November

Peter Ustinov in September
Barry white  in November

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Sat 13 Jun 2015, 11:45 am

Ustinov beat David Tua for the WBA pan African Heavyweight title. Work that one out.

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Post by Dipper Brown Sat 13 Jun 2015, 4:13 pm

Price is fighting for the European title in his next fight. So, according to AJ's fight path, should Price win, they'll be meeting in the not too distant future.

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