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Post by sab275 Tue 30 Jun 2015, 9:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

Well... This is looking to be made in the near future.Thoughts? I admittedly wrote Fury off in the past, but he's really looked impressive recently. A big guy, with a good jab. It ll be tough but he ll make a fight of it.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 04 Jul 2015, 3:03 pm

kingraf wrote:What example? I didn't give an example, I just said  Haye, Povetkin and Pulev are better than Fury. Moreover, I thought as underwhelming as the Jennings fight was, it was really standard fair. Good showing by Jennings, Klitschko easing past

Povetkin and Haye lasted the distance whereas Pulev didn't therefore both are better than him so too Jennings must be, that's what he's getting at Raf.

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Post by kingraf Sat 04 Jul 2015, 3:11 pm

Fair enough. To be honest, I thought I was merely giving a rather obvious statement of fact. Saying a two division world champ, a former world champ, and a very good amateur who has a rather convincing win over Tony Thompson are better than Fury is hardly an insult. Wach was supposed to be a 6'8 monstrosity who would take away Klitschko's size advantage... Unfortunately, it ended up a sparring session. I may be wrong, but I'm probably not bet on Fury simply because he's really big and has a pimpslap jab.
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Post by hampo17 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:22 pm

The purse bids were cancelled as both parties reached an agreement. The fight will take place in Dusseldorf on October 24th. 

So much for Klitschko happy to come to the UK.

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Post by ShahenshahG Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:45 pm

Laugh Have you taken that as a personal affront?

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Post by hampo17 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:46 pm

No, why would I?

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Post by ShahenshahG Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:48 pm

Just seemed an unnecessary snippy comment

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Post by hampo17 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:48 pm

My fuse is a little short after reading the constant stream of crap from Strongback and LiamB on here today sadly.

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Post by ShahenshahG Mon 06 Jul 2015, 5:55 pm

Just ban em for a week

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 6:07 pm

October is a bit of a wait....

Good to see it made...

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Post by wheelchair1991 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 7:33 pm

Thought Frank Warren was going to bring Wlad to UK, daft as he criticizes Hearn all for sending his fighters abroad

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 06 Jul 2015, 7:43 pm

Bernd Boente has also said they're looking to put in on either Sky, ITV or BT but not Boxnation.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Mon 06 Jul 2015, 9:00 pm

BT would be interesting

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 10:23 am

BT would be a disaster.

ITV could be an interesting shout. Without it going to purse bids and Hearn having a stab at it, will it really go on Sky??

Tragic if PPV.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 12:55 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Bernd Boente has also said they're looking to put in on either Sky, ITV or BT but not Boxnation.

That's a sad joke considering the two channels that actually took an interest in Fury after Sky dumped him aren't even considered.

This really annoys me, no one gave a stuff until he gets a world title shot. Boxnation and Channel Five built him up

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:03 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Bernd Boente has also said they're looking to put in on either Sky, ITV or BT but not Boxnation.

That's a sad joke considering the two channels that actually took an interest in Fury after Sky dumped him aren't even considered.

This really annoys me, no one gave a stuff until he gets a world title shot. Boxnation and Channel Five built him up

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Post by Rowley Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:08 pm

You make a reasonable point boxing fan, we all bemoan the lack of boxing on terrestrial TV, but you can hardly blame them for their lack of interest if they show fighters when they are on the way up only for them to jump ship to sky the minute they are in a decent match up. Would be great if this was on Channel 5.

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:17 pm

Does anyone really believe that apart from height that Fury holds any advantages over Klitschko?

Footwork, fitness, jab, power, even chin are favouring WK.

We can all remember the days when Fury was floored by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham. I simply cant see how Fury wins this one, he doesnt even have home advantage either, so a KO is a must.

Gotta go with Wlad on this one folks.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:17 pm

Just putting my prediction in for Wlad so I can safely rip those that are saying Fury has a chance.

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Post by hazharrison Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:28 pm

shenglong2015 wrote:Does anyone really believe that apart from height that Fury holds any advantages over Klitschko?

Footwork, fitness, jab, power, even chin are favouring WK.

We can all remember the days when Fury was floored by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham. I simply cant see how Fury wins this one, he doesnt even have home advantage either, so a KO is a must.

Gotta go with Wlad on this one folks.

Fury's younger, hungrier and technically better inside (Wlad has next to no inside game - apart from cuddling). He's more versatile and probably the gutsier of the two. Those are the advantages I'd say he holds over Klitschko.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:29 pm

The problem is that Wlad hasn't needed an inside game because referees don't enforce the rules properly!

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Post by hazharrison Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:31 pm

Scottrf wrote:The problem is that Wlad hasn't needed an inside game because referees don't enforce the rules properly!

And that's unlikely to change in Dusseldorf - a Klitschko stronghold.


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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:34 pm

hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:Does anyone really believe that apart from height that Fury holds any advantages over Klitschko?

Footwork, fitness, jab, power, even chin are favouring WK.

We can all remember the days when Fury was floored by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham. I simply cant see how Fury wins this one, he doesnt even have home advantage either, so a KO is a must.

Gotta go with Wlad on this one folks.

Fury's younger, hungrier and technically better inside (Wlad has next to no inside game - apart from cuddling). He's more versatile and probably the gutsier of the two. Those are the advantages I'd say he holds over Klitschko.

How do you know hes hungrier? "probably" gutsier isnt really backing your convistions is it Haz?

Probably has a better toastie maker. Hardly facts.

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Post by hazharrison Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:40 pm

shenglong2015 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:Does anyone really believe that apart from height that Fury holds any advantages over Klitschko?

Footwork, fitness, jab, power, even chin are favouring WK.

We can all remember the days when Fury was floored by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham. I simply cant see how Fury wins this one, he doesnt even have home advantage either, so a KO is a must.

Gotta go with Wlad on this one folks.

Fury's younger, hungrier and technically better inside (Wlad has next to no inside game - apart from cuddling). He's more versatile and probably the gutsier of the two. Those are the advantages I'd say he holds over Klitschko.

How do you know hes hungrier? "probably" gutsier isnt really backing your convistions is it Haz?

Probably has a better toastie maker. Hardly facts.

How does anyone know anything?

Does anyone really contest that a young, unbeaten heavyweight stepping in to the biggest fight of their life is likely to be hungrier than an old champion who's been in this situation a couple of dozen times before? If so then I think you're grasping at straws somewhat.

And I'd argue that Fury is the gutsier of the pair (from what we've seen of them to date).

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:44 pm

Klitschko shows more of the signs of someone being dedicated to the sport so if Fury is hungrier he's not really showing it, or using it as fuel to train harder.

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:46 pm

All I want is for Fury to be treated fairly in Dusseldorf. They have this belief that they are better than us. They have this belief that their country is so very good and we are so very bad

They have this belief that they are so fair and we are so very cruel. It's all lies and false propaganda to support their antagonistic and violent government trying to rule over everyone in the European Union

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Post by hazharrison Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:00 pm

Scottrf wrote:Klitschko shows more of the signs of someone being dedicated to the sport so if Fury is hungrier he's not really showing it, or using it as fuel to train harder.

Or isn't using....

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:01 pm

Well OK but you don't need to use to have a better physique than Fury.

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:04 pm

Fury will come into this fight in the best shape he has ever been I reckon

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Post by Adam D Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:07 pm

return flights from London to Dusseldorf are £51 on the saturday coming back Sunday.

Quite tempted!

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:09 pm

Adam D wrote:return flights from London to Dusseldorf are £51 on the saturday coming back Sunday.

Quite tempted!
Are you planning on getting a hotel or just sleeping in the gutter? Smile

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Post by Coxy001 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:17 pm

Steffan wrote:
Adam D wrote:return flights from London to Dusseldorf are £51 on the saturday coming back Sunday.

Quite tempted!
Are you planning on getting a hotel or just sleeping in the gutter? Smile

It's a long way to go to watch 120 seconds, if Fury lasts that long. Still, just think you haven't got to leave a week before like Strongy due to the caravan journey taking an eternity.

Can't wait for the fat, useless oaf to get embarassed

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Post by Adam D Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:27 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Adam D wrote:return flights from London to Dusseldorf are £51 on the saturday coming back Sunday.

Quite tempted!
Are you planning on getting a hotel or just sleeping in the gutter? Smile

It's a long way to go to watch 120 seconds, if Fury lasts that long. Still, just think you haven't got to leave a week before like Strongy due to the caravan journey taking an eternity.

Can't wait for the fat, useless oaf to get embarassed

Fury or Strongy?

I think Fury might do better than expected.

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:32 pm

Coxy001 wrote:Can't wait for the fat, useless oaf to get embarassed
We can't all be top shape high achieving sportsmen like you Coxy

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:34 pm

Adam D wrote:I think Fury might do better than expected.
But that's a bit like what they said of Miliband in the debates.

Expectations are so low, if he comes on stage and doesn't soil himself, he will have outperformed them.

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:39 pm

After this fight a lot of people are gonna owe Tyson Fury and engraved apology

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Post by AdamT Tue 07 Jul 2015, 2:59 pm

Yeah I doubt Mr K's physique was built by eating his greens or drinking his Milk.

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:Does anyone really believe that apart from height that Fury holds any advantages over Klitschko?

Footwork, fitness, jab, power, even chin are favouring WK.

We can all remember the days when Fury was floored by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham. I simply cant see how Fury wins this one, he doesnt even have home advantage either, so a KO is a must.

Gotta go with Wlad on this one folks.

Fury's younger, hungrier and technically better inside (Wlad has next to no inside game - apart from cuddling). He's more versatile and probably the gutsier of the two. Those are the advantages I'd say he holds over Klitschko.

How do you know hes hungrier? "probably" gutsier isnt really backing your convistions is it Haz?

Probably has a better toastie maker. Hardly facts.

How does anyone know anything?

Does anyone really contest that a young, unbeaten heavyweight stepping in to the biggest fight of their life is likely to be hungrier than an old champion who's been in this situation a couple of dozen times before? If so then I think you're grasping at straws somewhat.

And I'd argue that Fury is the gutsier of the pair (from what we've seen of them to date).

Yes I contest it.

Klitschko's hunger and desire in unquestionable to be at the top so long, always in shape, a dedicated athlete, who I know has a real love for boxing.

I will not go into the reason why I dont think Fury is as "hungry" or "dedicated" to the sport.

I dont think any straws are being grasped at all.

Moreover I feel you are looking for reasons why Fury will win, and coming up short, and beginning to paint Tyson Fury as some sort of decenet challenger when in effect he is no different from any previous foe other than his height as I stated before.

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 3:45 pm

Will you not be cheering on your fellow Irishman Sheng for this fight?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:09 pm

You could come up with any number of reasons why Douglas couldn't beat Tyson...

Lacked heart......
Lacked ambition....
Quitter..
Lost to plenty of stiffs before Tyson.....

If the most gifted fighter always won then the title would never change hands..

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:11 pm

So Truss will be cheering on Fury I take it Smile

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:15 pm

You betcha...............Great for the game If the title becomes "World" again and not just stuck in the hands of a boring, big stiff in Germany..

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:18 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:big stiff in Germany
And that's just Adam checking out the Dusseldorf brothels

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Post by Scottrf Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:20 pm

I do appreciate how every non-Yank is a 'big stiff'.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:31 pm

Scottrf wrote:I do appreciate how every non-Yank is a 'big stiff'.

Do you...Happy for you..

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:46 pm

Seems weird to me that the guy who is actually fighting his contenders is the big stiff/bad for boxing and then you're encouraging Wilder to duck him. Seems to me that we'll never get as many great fighters anymore because they'll have been softened by the comparatively easy routes they have to the top.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:48 pm

Heavyweight title is the premier title in the sport............It's the blue riband usually when heavyweight boxing thrives it carries the rest of the sport with it...

At the moment it's being hidden away in Germany..

That's why I believe the Klits are bad for the sport..

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Post by Adam D Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Heavyweight title is the premier title in the sport............It's the blue riband usually when heavyweight boxing thrives it carries the rest of the sport with it...

At the moment it's being hidden away in Germany..

That's why I believe the Klits are bad for the sport..

I dont agree with the hidden away comment but I can understand your reasons.

The good thing about Fury winning is that everyone would think they had a chance against him and I doubt he would duck anyone, which is the thing that would make the division exciting again.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:57 pm

It would......

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue 07 Jul 2015, 5:02 pm

Or we could have the same result by Wilder/Joshua knocking out Wlad with a legitimate win rather than waiting out wlads retirement

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Post by Steffan Tue 07 Jul 2015, 5:05 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Or we could have the same result by Wilder/Joshua knocking out Wlad with a legitimate win rather than waiting out wlads retirement
Wilder is a lanky string of piece who couldn't punch his way out of a wet Boxing Monthly

Joshua certainly has power but hard to tell what he would do against an opponent that actually hits him back

Tyson Fury is the man to end Wlads reign

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