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Post by AdamT Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:07 pm

Cotto vs Canelo is official.

Only one winner for me at this stage. Canelo too strong,too big and got youth on his side.

Canelo vs GGG next May or June.


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Post by hazharrison Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:10 pm

He's bringing kids into the ring? Canelo starts favourite but I'll go with Cotto.

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Post by AdamT Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:11 pm

Sorry mean he has youth ha!

Canelo for me all day Haz!

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Post by hazharrison Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:20 pm

AdamT wrote:Sorry mean he has youth ha!

Canelo for me all day Haz!

Well he's younger, fresher, stronger, bigger. I'm just not sure he's that bright and Cotto has a veteran's brain.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:29 pm

Cotto's brain will go out the window the moment he gets tagged just like it does every time, he looks good when everything is going his way but wilts under pressure.

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Post by AdamT Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:41 pm

Agree Hammer. He has looked good but been well matched. Canelo is getting him at the right time.

Cotto is class but I feel this will be too much for him. Hopefully the winner vs GGG.

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Post by Hands Of Stone Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:11 pm

50/50 fight, Canelo is the younger and the stronger but Cotto is the better fighter and the smarter fighter

But great fight

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 3:56 pm

Cotto is a joke champ.

Beat a cripple and refuses to fight even close to 160.

Hope Canelo knocks his block off.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 4:17 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Cotto is a joke champ.

Beat a cripple and refuses to fight even close to 160.

Hope Canelo knocks his block off.

Whilst I agree If you're a middleweight champ you should fight within the limitation or not at all...

He beat Martinez................If Martinez was struggling it wasn't his fault.......

Just like it wasn't Lamotta's when Cerdan did his shoulder..

I hope Canelo wins........But will he be busy enough ??

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 4:25 pm

Wasn't his fault he beat a cripple, but it doesn't support him as a credible 160 champ, especially considering his 'defences' have been at catchweights at pretty much LMW.

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Post by Atila Fri 14 Aug 2015, 4:35 pm

I hope Cotto loses. I'm tired of him and all the catchweight nonsense that seems to be seen as something normal now in boxing.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 5:15 pm

Pity Cotto was a favourite of so many but is really tarnishing his legacy these last few years....

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Post by Dipper Brown Fri 14 Aug 2015, 5:32 pm

I still love him! War Cotto! Hope he rolls back the years again, I won't be betting against it.

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Post by kingraf Fri 14 Aug 2015, 7:30 pm

Hope the manlet gets clubbed like a baby seal. Wouldn't bet on it, though. Cotto fades late, but Alvarez doesn't really press the situation, and his stamina is still maybe a slight question mark. Think we'll see a close fight. Hoping Canelo, but it's not exactly a forgone conclusion.

Don't think Cotto fights GGG after this either.
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Post by AdamT Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:08 pm

I think the ref waves this off after 8. Cotto can't improve,Canelo can.

Biggest fight in boxing next year,canelo vs GGG.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 10:06 am

And Canelo has the big balls to take it too.

Cotto never will. He's had his career, made his money, why risk his health that significantly??

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon 17 Aug 2015, 10:14 am

I'd like to see Miguel win(still a fan despite the negative press he gets on here,)but don't think Miguel will take the GGG fight so probably better Canelo wins.

Canelo/GGG is for the middleweight championship of the world proper and a big fight. Maybe GGG becomes first man to stop Canelo for me. But if he doesn't stop him, wins that one quite tidily on points.

Cotto /Canelo is a good fight and no foregone conclusion. But don't fall for the hype, hardly fight of the year, just an eliminator to face GGG.

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Post by RanjitPatel Mon 17 Aug 2015, 10:38 am

Cotto used to be my favourite fighter so I do like the guy and think he's been reinvigorated under Roach. That said, I really do hope that this is the moment that Cotto exits the middleweight division. For the same reasons as others.


The problems are his catchweights, mainly and I find it unlikely that he'll fight Golovkin after.
Could be wrong there (and I'd hope to be if he wins) but I don't think he needs that fight at this stage of his career. No matter what you think of Golovkin, if you rate/don't rate him, he will destroy Cotto.

A move back down either way would be preferable. If he wins he'll probably want to milk the titles for a while longer though.

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Post by Coxy001 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 11:22 am

Canelo ends Cotto's career, Cotto gets stopped. Think it'll be an entertaining fight, but just can't see how Cotto wins as the Martinez/Geale wins are masking the fact he got handily beaten by a guy much smaller than him and another guy who boxed his ears off who was his size.

Unbelievably Alvarez is only 4/9, will be trying to win my way to Oz for a Christmas trip there with those odds Smile

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Post by AdamT Mon 17 Aug 2015, 11:39 am

Yes Coxy will be extremely suprised if Cotto wins. Think Alveraz has improved and I fancy the stoppage myself.

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Post by Qoxiivi Mon 17 Aug 2015, 12:06 pm

Canelo by mid-late KO. Too strong. Cotto’s ‘middleweight’ ‘reign’ (both deserve to be in inverted commas) has been an insulting farce. Beat a completely shot Martinez*and has then (and I still can’t get my head around how much of a joke this is), insists that 160lbers aren’t allowed to fight at 160lbs for the title.

I actually like Cotto as a fighter but, come on, if you’re too small to fight at middleweight, don’t fight at middleweight. Pathetic. I’d actually have a lot of respect for him if he was defending the title at 160 – would be a great achievement and testament to his skills to do so for someone of his size.

*Not Cotto’s fault he was shot, but let’s not kid ourselves. I mean, Danny Williams beat Tyson for Christ's sake.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 2:21 pm

Coxy001 wrote:Canelo ends Cotto's career, Cotto gets stopped. Think it'll be an entertaining fight, but just can't see how Cotto wins as the Martinez/Geale wins are masking the fact he got handily beaten by a guy much smaller than him and another guy who boxed his ears off who was his size.

Unbelievably Alvarez is only 4/9, will be trying to win my way to Oz for a Christmas trip there with those odds Smile

Bit harsh to knock a guy for losing to what are, presumably, the #1 and #2 p4p fighters of a generation....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 2:34 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Canelo ends Cotto's career, Cotto gets stopped. Think it'll be an entertaining fight, but just can't see how Cotto wins as the Martinez/Geale wins are masking the fact he got handily beaten by a guy much smaller than him and another guy who boxed his ears off who was his size.

Unbelievably Alvarez is only 4/9, will be trying to win my way to Oz for a Christmas trip there with those odds Smile

Bit harsh to knock a guy for losing to what are, presumably, the #1 and #2 p4p fighters of a generation....

What did you say about Canelo the day after Mayweather again ??

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Post by Coxy001 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:04 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Canelo ends Cotto's career, Cotto gets stopped. Think it'll be an entertaining fight, but just can't see how Cotto wins as the Martinez/Geale wins are masking the fact he got handily beaten by a guy much smaller than him and another guy who boxed his ears off who was his size.

Unbelievably Alvarez is only 4/9, will be trying to win my way to Oz for a Christmas trip there with those odds Smile

Bit harsh to knock a guy for losing to what are, presumably, the #1 and #2 p4p fighters of a generation....

Meant Trout regarding the boxer who was the same size as him.

Canelo catches Cotto and then we get to see what Freddie "what's defense" Roach has as a backup plan if his man is getting punched. Repeatedly.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Canelo ends Cotto's career, Cotto gets stopped. Think it'll be an entertaining fight, but just can't see how Cotto wins as the Martinez/Geale wins are masking the fact he got handily beaten by a guy much smaller than him and another guy who boxed his ears off who was his size.

Unbelievably Alvarez is only 4/9, will be trying to win my way to Oz for a Christmas trip there with those odds Smile

Bit harsh to knock a guy for losing to what are, presumably, the #1 and #2 p4p fighters of a generation....

What did you say about Canelo the day after Mayweather again ??

You seem to know so well, why don't you quote me??

Or, mayyyyyyyyyyybe, like EVERY OTHER TIME you've got your knickers in a twist about this, you CAN'T because you know you're full of horse sh*t.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:17 pm

I can bump the thread If you like....

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:21 pm

Bump it, PLEEEEEEEEASE!!

From memory I called Mayweather's performance a 'masterclass', which you love to overlook, but that Canelo was poor and, despite several fighters setting out how to at least challenge Mayweather, he didn't do anything that was required and looked very poor in doing so.

His lack of ability to impose his size advantage may have been to do with the catchweight tho...... Whistle

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:21 pm

Also, if Bute is a journeyman, then so is/was Canelo.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:24 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bump it, PLEEEEEEEEASE!!

From memory I called Mayweather's performance a 'masterclass', which you love to overlook, but that Canelo was poor and, despite several fighters setting out how to at least challenge Mayweather, he didn't do anything that was required and looked very poor in doing so.:

Now you mention it.... I remember you really were that polite about Canelo...... Rolling Eyes thumbsup

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:27 pm

Chat chat chat.......where's the bump??

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Post by Atila Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:33 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bump it, PLEEEEEEEEASE!!

From memory I called Mayweather's performance a 'masterclass', which you love to overlook, but that Canelo was poor and, despite several fighters setting out how to at least challenge Mayweather, he didn't do anything that was required and looked very poor in doing so.

His lack of ability to impose his size advantage may have been to do with the catchweight tho...... Whistle
Canelo was never going to beat Mayweather. For me, the fight was built up as some sort of big fight purely because of the ticket sales and PPV numbers that Canelo brought with him into the fight. When it actually came to fight ability, Canelo was never in Mayweathers class.

The catchweight stuff didn't help him, but at the end of the day he just was never good enough. Someone like Thomas Hearns would have flattened Canelo in two rounds, possibly even the first.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:34 pm

Like Barkley and roldan...Who were ten times better than Alvarez...

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Post by Atila Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:37 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like Barkley and roldan...Who were ten times better than Alvarez...
Duran was better than Barkley and Roldan, and Hearns flattened him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:41 pm

Mark Medal went 8 with Tommy at 154........Shields went 12........

Alvarez was ten times better than them...

You're underselling Canelo and you know it..

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Post by Coxy001 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:45 pm

Good to see a completely unrelated 1980s angle being dragged in to this.


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Post by Coxy001 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:47 pm

Would anyone be interested in a "predictor" i.e. like HH ran but whereby you can put £5 down to predict say 5 fights? With this being one them.

Be interesting to see who is just plain wumming and who thinks Cotto stands any sort of chance.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 4:52 pm

Coxy001 wrote:Would anyone be interested in a "predictor" i.e. like HH ran but whereby you can put £5 down to predict say 5 fights? With this being one them.

Be interesting to see who is just plain wumming and who thinks Cotto stands any sort of chance.

According to you we are all wums...

Have you thanked Adam D for his troll amnesty by the way.........??

Allowing members who were BANNED for life like you to come back ??

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Post by hazharrison Mon 17 Aug 2015, 5:16 pm

I agree Hearns would have obliterated Alvarez.

I also think Cotto has a genuine chance - I pick him to win.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 5:21 pm

hazharrison wrote:I agree Hearns would have obliterated Alvarez.

I also think Cotto has a genuine chance - I pick him to win.

Fancy you thinking that !!!...


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Post by hazharrison Mon 17 Aug 2015, 5:52 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I agree Hearns would have obliterated Alvarez.

I also think Cotto has a genuine chance - I pick him to win.

Fancy you thinking that !!!...


Because I've publicly stated I don't think Alvarez is the second coming of Mike McCallum?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 5:54 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Chat chat chat.......where's the bump??

Bump.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 5:56 pm

Bute=Canelo=Journeyman.

Ref: Trussman66, 17/08/2015.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 6:01 pm

RanjitPatel wrote:Cotto used to be my favourite fighter so I do like the guy and think he's been reinvigorated under Roach. That said, I really do hope that this is the moment that Cotto exits the middleweight division. For the same reasons as others.


The problems are his catchweights, mainly and I find it unlikely that he'll fight Golovkin after.
Could be wrong there (and I'd hope to be if he wins) but I don't think he needs that fight at this stage of his career. No matter what you think of Golovkin, if you rate/don't rate him, he will destroy Cotto.

A move back down either way would be preferable. If he wins he'll probably want to milk the titles for a while longer though.  

Hard to say If he's been reinvigorated under Roach.....

Think we were all shocked at Sergio's condition............

I don't think Cotto can go 12 at a good pace.......I'm not sure Alvarez is smart enough to make him fight at a good pace....

Hence it's an interesting fight..............Canelo ko 11..

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Post by Dipper Brown Mon 17 Aug 2015, 6:18 pm

I genuinely think Cotto can win. I'm backing him. Although I shan't be risking £5 on it. That sort of money can get you two pints in the darker corners of the valleys!

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Post by hazharrison Mon 17 Aug 2015, 6:41 pm

Alvarez doesn't fight at a good pace - he tends to fight a bit tight. I think Cotto can outbox him, outthink him over 12 rounds.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 6:44 pm

People learn..

i imagine his coaches are instilling him with the notion of work, work,work...

If he does ..he wins..

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Post by hazharrison Mon 17 Aug 2015, 7:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:People learn..

i imagine his coaches are instilling him with the notion of work, work,work...

If he does ..he wins..

As easy as that eh? 47 fights in, his coaches tell him to work and he completely changes his style to defeat Cotto. You don't actually watch boxing do you?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 8:20 pm

People do learn...........That's why they get better...

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Post by 3fingers Mon 17 Aug 2015, 8:21 pm

Canelo matches well against come forward fighters but not so well against boxers.

Cotto being a box fighter makes this very interesting. Hes easily the second best opponent Canelo has ever faced, even at his advanced age.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Aug 2015, 8:23 pm

Cotto's tank is the big thing for me..

No one doubts he can do well early...

Had some very hard fights and isn't young..

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