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RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Pot Hale Tue 08 Sep 2015, 1:53 am
First topic message reminder :
Teams
Ireland (6) [10/1]
France (7) [18/1]
Italy (14) [2500/1]
Romania (17) [5000/1]
Canada (18) [5000/1]
Fixtures
19 Sep Ireland v Canada
19 Sep France v Italy
23 Sep France v Romania
26 Sep Italy v Canada
27 Sep Ireland v Romania
1 Oct France v Canada
4 Oct Ireland v Italy
6 Oct Canada v Romania
11 Oct Italy v Romania
11 Oct France v Ireland
The pool with 50% of the Six Nations teams competing in it.
Romania are one ranking higher than Canada and having won their last two most recent games against them, they are likely to be fighting Canada for avoiding bottom spot on 6 Oct.
France get a somewhat tough match up first with the Italians likely to be at their prickly best and their game against Wales still in their minds. France have the advantage of a 10 day rest up from their match against Canada before they play the likely pool decider against Ireland. However, if Canada rest some of their players for their more 'important' match against Romania 5 days later, France may not get a good performance work-out before their pool decider.
Ireland can expect a bruising going over in their first match against Canada with Kiwi, Kieran Crowley, looking for his troops to take advantage of any rustiness in the Irish side, although Crowley may also be eyeing up their second match against Italy a week later as a more realistic prospect of gaining some points.
Italy meet Ireland in their third match on 4 Oct who may have one eye on their likely decider against France 7 days later. Ireland should have enough to put them away but it could come at a cost. The shorter turnaround time frame may tell against them, particularly if they've been smashed about a bit by Italy's upfront men.
France might do just enough in their opening games to secure the wins and then be primed and ready for Ireland in the second last pool match of the RWC to top the pool.
Or could Italy catch France cold in their opening match, and open up the possibility of another pool to be decided by match points.
New Zealanders seem to be divided on who they want/don't want to meet in the quarters from this pool - France for 2007 revenge say some, Ireland because they'll be easier, say others.
Have at it.
Teams
Ireland (6) [10/1]
France (7) [18/1]
Italy (14) [2500/1]
Romania (17) [5000/1]
Canada (18) [5000/1]
Fixtures
19 Sep Ireland v Canada
19 Sep France v Italy
23 Sep France v Romania
26 Sep Italy v Canada
27 Sep Ireland v Romania
1 Oct France v Canada
4 Oct Ireland v Italy
6 Oct Canada v Romania
11 Oct Italy v Romania
11 Oct France v Ireland
The pool with 50% of the Six Nations teams competing in it.
Romania are one ranking higher than Canada and having won their last two most recent games against them, they are likely to be fighting Canada for avoiding bottom spot on 6 Oct.
France get a somewhat tough match up first with the Italians likely to be at their prickly best and their game against Wales still in their minds. France have the advantage of a 10 day rest up from their match against Canada before they play the likely pool decider against Ireland. However, if Canada rest some of their players for their more 'important' match against Romania 5 days later, France may not get a good performance work-out before their pool decider.
Ireland can expect a bruising going over in their first match against Canada with Kiwi, Kieran Crowley, looking for his troops to take advantage of any rustiness in the Irish side, although Crowley may also be eyeing up their second match against Italy a week later as a more realistic prospect of gaining some points.
Italy meet Ireland in their third match on 4 Oct who may have one eye on their likely decider against France 7 days later. Ireland should have enough to put them away but it could come at a cost. The shorter turnaround time frame may tell against them, particularly if they've been smashed about a bit by Italy's upfront men.
France might do just enough in their opening games to secure the wins and then be primed and ready for Ireland in the second last pool match of the RWC to top the pool.
Or could Italy catch France cold in their opening match, and open up the possibility of another pool to be decided by match points.
New Zealanders seem to be divided on who they want/don't want to meet in the quarters from this pool - France for 2007 revenge say some, Ireland because they'll be easier, say others.
Have at it.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by SecretFly Sat 12 Sep 2015, 9:28 pm
Sometimes Parisse is a liability for them too any way, when he gets into his feverish 'give-me-the-ball-and-I'll-win-this-fecking-game-on-my-own! mood. He does try to overcompensate for the gaping holes in the player base and sometimes ends up just over-complicating the sense of confusion.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Biltong Sat 12 Sep 2015, 10:07 pm
SecretFly wrote:Sometimes Parisse is a liability for them too any way, when he gets into his feverish 'give-me-the-ball-and-I'll-win-this-fecking-game-on-my-own! mood. He does try to overcompensate for the gaping holes in the player base and sometimes ends up just over-complicating the sense of confusion.
Completely agree with that. I don't see him as a team player when the chips are down.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by rodders Mon 14 Sep 2015, 11:57 am
Parrisse is a god among ants.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Pot Hale Mon 14 Sep 2015, 11:33 pm
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Gwlad Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:15 am
SecretFly wrote:Sometimes Fly is a liability for them too any way, when he gets into his feverish 'give-me-the-pen-and-I'll-win-this-fecking-thread-on-my-own! mood. He does try to overcompensate for the gaping holes in his intellect and sometimes ends up just over-complicating the sense of confusion.
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Henshaw injured - Fitzgerald replaces
by Pot Hale Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:34 am
Joe Schmidt due to announce his match day squad today and is likely to have a couple of surprises/raised eyebrows:
The bad news is that Henshaw is injured and Luke Fitzgerald takes his place, rather than the more natural Darren Cave. McGrath likely to start with Healy on the bench, and Henderson has done enough to get ahead of Toner for this first match.
R Kearney; D Kearney, J Payne, L Fitzgerald, K Earls; J Sexton, C Murray; J McGrath, R Best, M Ross; I Henderson, P O’Connell (capt); P O’Mahony, S O’Brien, J Heaslip.
The bad news is that Henshaw is injured and Luke Fitzgerald takes his place, rather than the more natural Darren Cave. McGrath likely to start with Healy on the bench, and Henderson has done enough to get ahead of Toner for this first match.
Schmidt looking to put his strongest line-up out there.
The bad news is that Henshaw is injured and Luke Fitzgerald takes his place, rather than the more natural Darren Cave. McGrath likely to start with Healy on the bench, and Henderson has done enough to get ahead of Toner for this first match.
R Kearney; D Kearney, J Payne, L Fitzgerald, K Earls; J Sexton, C Murray; J McGrath, R Best, M Ross; I Henderson, P O’Connell (capt); P O’Mahony, S O’Brien, J Heaslip.
The bad news is that Henshaw is injured and Luke Fitzgerald takes his place, rather than the more natural Darren Cave. McGrath likely to start with Healy on the bench, and Henderson has done enough to get ahead of Toner for this first match.
Schmidt looking to put his strongest line-up out there.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Mon 21 Sep 2015, 10:33 am
so Huget is out for the RWC and a few months after that (ACL tear). Replaced by Remy Grosso (Castres winger, played for france 7s this summer as well, quite physcical) - quite a ballsy decision given he is uncapped and wasnt even in the group that prepared for the RWC. Will probably feature against Canada.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by rodders Mon 21 Sep 2015, 10:38 am
Sorry(ish) to hear about Huget - fantastic player but glad not to face him -hope he makes a full recovery.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by SecretFly Mon 21 Sep 2015, 10:42 am
Remy Grosso...Remy Grosso. God, Joe will be panicking trying to find that lad's file IN his filing Keyobinate..... Joe hates not knowing someone.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Mon 21 Sep 2015, 1:02 pm
French B team for Roumania : 13 changes in the first XV.
Dulin ; Guitoune, Fickou, Fofana, Nakaitaci ; Tales, Parra; Ouedraogo, Picamoles, Nyanga; Flanquart, Le Roux ; Atonio, Szarzewski, Debaty.
Subs:: Kayser, Ben Arous, Mas, Maestri, Chouly, Kockott, Michalak, Bastareaud.
Dulin ; Guitoune, Fickou, Fofana, Nakaitaci ; Tales, Parra; Ouedraogo, Picamoles, Nyanga; Flanquart, Le Roux ; Atonio, Szarzewski, Debaty.
Subs:: Kayser, Ben Arous, Mas, Maestri, Chouly, Kockott, Michalak, Bastareaud.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Artful_Dodger Thu 24 Sep 2015, 1:16 pm
Picture doing the rounds of a French lock gouging a Romanian lock. Could be out for the tournament is the Galarza precedent is anything to go by.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by SecretFly Thu 24 Sep 2015, 1:37 pm
It seems gouging is back in vogue big time ........................ even in the GAA 
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Thu 24 Sep 2015, 2:13 pm
Artful_Dodger wrote:Picture doing the rounds of a French lock gouging a Romanian lock. Could be out for the tournament is the Galarza precedent is anything to go by.
really? that's not good given we only have 3 locks + 1 BR that is meant to be able to play lock in the squad.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by the-goon Thu 24 Sep 2015, 2:27 pm
whocares wrote:Artful_Dodger wrote:Picture doing the rounds of a French lock gouging a Romanian lock. Could be out for the tournament is the Galarza precedent is anything to go by.
really? that's not good given we only have 3 locks + 1 BR that is meant to be able to play lock in the squad.
Yep, here it is:
http://www.the42.ie/half-time-update-france-v-romania-2348024-Sep2015/
Doesn't look great
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by BamBam Thu 24 Sep 2015, 2:32 pm
Without seeing the video footage, could that not just be his hand dropping down after failing to get up in front of the Romanian for the lineout throw? The still image might not tell the whole truth
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by lostinwales Thu 24 Sep 2015, 2:35 pm
Yes it doesn't look good but is meaningless without the context
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Pot Hale Mon 28 Sep 2015, 1:39 am
A fairly facile win for Ireland against Romania 44-10 leaving them top of the group for this week.
Next up France v Canada. That should be enjoyable.
Next up France v Canada. That should be enjoyable.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Marshes Mon 28 Sep 2015, 1:46 am
Pot Hale wrote:A fairly facile win for Ireland against Romania 44-10 leaving them top of the group for this week.
Next up France v Canada. That should be enjoyable.
Harsh I think. Was France's win more impressive? Much of a muchness. To be honest if both teams are playing their cards right, none of these build-up games should give any indication of what to expect..
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Pot Hale Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:02 am
Marshes wrote:Pot Hale wrote:A fairly facile win for Ireland against Romania 44-10 leaving them top of the group for this week.
Next up France v Canada. That should be enjoyable.
Harsh I think. Was France's win more impressive? Much of a muchness. To be honest if both teams are playing their cards right, none of these build-up games should give any indication of what to expect..
Why harsh? It was a facile win. I wasn't making any comparison with France's win over them at all.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by Marshes Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:25 am
Pot Hale wrote:Marshes wrote:Pot Hale wrote:A fairly facile win for Ireland against Romania 44-10 leaving them top of the group for this week.
Next up France v Canada. That should be enjoyable.
Harsh I think. Was France's win more impressive? Much of a muchness. To be honest if both teams are playing their cards right, none of these build-up games should give any indication of what to expect..
Why harsh? It was a facile win. I wasn't making any comparison with France's win over them at all.
For me it's not without difficulty to put a team like Romania away with conviction, particularly for Ireland who have slipped up in the group stage before. It's a bit weird maybe but I consider it somewhat of an achievement to meet the expectation of Ireland fans in the two opening games, it being the most that could be done. Not saying that should be where the bar is set, but I' think undersells the quality and control I saw they were in.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Tue 29 Sep 2015, 12:59 pm
France team for Canada :
Spedding ; Grosso, Bastareaud, Fofana, Dulin ; Michalak, Tillous-Borde ; Le Roux, Chouly, Dusautoir (cap.) ; Maestri, Papé ; Slimani, Guirado, Ben Arous.
subs : Kayser, Debaty, Mas, Nyanga, Ouedraogo, Parra, Tales, Dumoulin.
main talkign points are...
Picamoles rested : good albeit Chouly is not great option at 8.
Grosso first cap on the wing : logical choice
Dulin on the other wing : very odd, he's a fullback who was far from impressive against england in the warm ups. certainly wont play there again so nothing to learn and will struggle big time agaisnt DTH. why not give a second game to Guitoune who while he can be weak defensively at least scored two tries against Romania.
halfbacks : Kockcott who looked like our best SH recently is not even on the bench
No lock on the bench...
Spedding ; Grosso, Bastareaud, Fofana, Dulin ; Michalak, Tillous-Borde ; Le Roux, Chouly, Dusautoir (cap.) ; Maestri, Papé ; Slimani, Guirado, Ben Arous.
subs : Kayser, Debaty, Mas, Nyanga, Ouedraogo, Parra, Tales, Dumoulin.
main talkign points are...
Picamoles rested : good albeit Chouly is not great option at 8.
Grosso first cap on the wing : logical choice
Dulin on the other wing : very odd, he's a fullback who was far from impressive against england in the warm ups. certainly wont play there again so nothing to learn and will struggle big time agaisnt DTH. why not give a second game to Guitoune who while he can be weak defensively at least scored two tries against Romania.
halfbacks : Kockcott who looked like our best SH recently is not even on the bench
No lock on the bench...
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by ME-109 Tue 29 Sep 2015, 1:11 pm
Presume Le Roux covers lock as he played there against Romania....cant understand why Chouly is in the squad let alone playing. He never looks interested...agree about Guitoune who looks like he could do damage.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by sensisball Tue 29 Sep 2015, 3:03 pm
The only two remaining wingers from the original squad are Nagataichi and Guitoune. They will start against Ireland, so why risk having to play either Dulin ( out of position) or Grosso (uncapped and new to the squad) if one were to get injured against Canada?
Why is Chouly in the team? let me think , maybe because he is one of the best lineout forwards in Europe? maybe because he is fit enough to last the whole game, allowing le Roux to move to second row in place of Pape, and bring on two fresh wing forwards to exploit the spaces around the fringes of rucks and mauls in the second half.
Hopefully Kockott isn't being risked because SA realises he is the better bench option ( or starter?) to have instead of Parra and is keeping him fresh for the Ireland match.
Why is Chouly in the team? let me think , maybe because he is one of the best lineout forwards in Europe? maybe because he is fit enough to last the whole game, allowing le Roux to move to second row in place of Pape, and bring on two fresh wing forwards to exploit the spaces around the fringes of rucks and mauls in the second half.
Hopefully Kockott isn't being risked because SA realises he is the better bench option ( or starter?) to have instead of Parra and is keeping him fresh for the Ireland match.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Tue 29 Sep 2015, 3:18 pm
I think Kockott is clearly number 3 in PSA mind and nothing will change that. Maybe you're giving too much credit to PSA Sensiball 
Sure Chouly is great as a line out operator and can fit as a flanker but when it comes to the other backrower jobs (tackle, rucks ) he's clearly not up there compared to the likes of Warburton, Hardie, SOB, POM, Lydiate etc etc Much prefer to see Le Roux or even Nyanga at 8.
Sure Chouly is great as a line out operator and can fit as a flanker but when it comes to the other backrower jobs (tackle, rucks ) he's clearly not up there compared to the likes of Warburton, Hardie, SOB, POM, Lydiate etc etc Much prefer to see Le Roux or even Nyanga at 8.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by sensisball Tue 29 Sep 2015, 3:38 pm
I think that Chouly is best as a6, then 8 then a 7 ( not really quick enough for the role). I think he does most aspects of back row play without being a standout anywhere ( apart from his lineout). Whilst Picamoles is in great shape just now, usually he is carrying too much ballast and flags after around 60. Chouly is extremely fit and plays well for the full 80 allowing other players to be subbed and bring more energy into the back row.
Back row of Chouly, Le Roux and Picamoles would be my starting choice. Nyanga and Dusautoir to come off the bench replacing Picamoles and Le Roux - with Le Roux replacing Pape, would be a failry formidable back five and be enough to put Ireland's pack under severe scrutiny. I guess we'll see next week if that is how it pans out.
Back row of Chouly, Le Roux and Picamoles would be my starting choice. Nyanga and Dusautoir to come off the bench replacing Picamoles and Le Roux - with Le Roux replacing Pape, would be a failry formidable back five and be enough to put Ireland's pack under severe scrutiny. I guess we'll see next week if that is how it pans out.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by ME-109 Tue 29 Sep 2015, 4:22 pm
I would be delighted to see chouly playing against Ireland...
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Tue 29 Sep 2015, 5:00 pm
bar injuries, the starting team against Ireland is probably going to be the one that started agianst Italy (except Huget) :
Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani
Maestri , Pape
Dusautoir, Picamoles, Chouly
Nakaitaci, Fofana, Bastareaud, Grosso/Dulin/Guitoune
Spedding
Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani
Maestri , Pape
Dusautoir, Picamoles, Chouly
Nakaitaci, Fofana, Bastareaud, Grosso/Dulin/Guitoune
Spedding
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by GunsGerms Tue 29 Sep 2015, 5:17 pm
whocares wrote:bar injuries, the starting team against Ireland is probably going to be the one that started agianst Italy (except Huget) :
Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani
Maestri , Pape
Dusautoir, Picamoles, Chouly
Nakaitaci, Fofana, Bastareaud, Grosso/Dulin/Guitoune
Spedding
and Tillous Borde at scrum half and Michelak at out half? As long as Parra isnt selected I think Ireland will win. If Michelak starts it might make it a bit easier too.
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Re: RWC 15 - Pool D - France Ireland, Italy, Romania, Canada
by whocares Tue 29 Sep 2015, 5:23 pm
GunsGerms wrote:whocares wrote:bar injuries, the starting team against Ireland is probably going to be the one that started agianst Italy (except Huget) :
Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani
Maestri , Pape
Dusautoir, Picamoles, Chouly
Nakaitaci, Fofana, Bastareaud, Grosso/Dulin/Guitoune
Spedding
and Tillous Borde at scrum half and Michelak at out half? As long as Parra isnt selected I think Ireland will win. If Michelak starts it might make it a bit easier too.
yep sorry about that, those 2 will start.
subs should be debaty, Kaiser, Mas, Le Roux, Nyanga, Tales, Parra, Fickou/Dumoulin
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