Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

by **Pr4wn** Thu 03 Sep 2015, 3:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

Tom Brady's ban has been nullified.

Red faces at NFL HQ.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:36 pm

Its hard to think of a potential worse #1 seed pairing than New England and Denver. New England can't do anything offensively right now and Osweiler just isnt good.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:39 pm

Kinda had questions about the Cardinals ability to matchup to heavyweights when it counted. Blowing out teams with issues in the regular season is one thing.

Seahawks currently rolling up big.

by Number-25 Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:51 pm

Looks like Seattle really, really wants to play Washington in the playoffs.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:23 pm

No offense fella, but all 5 teams should.

Carolina vs Seattle looks pretty tasty though. Cards just ran into the first elite team theyve played all year.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:24 pm

Brock Osweilers backup now entering the game

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:26 pm

Denver is currently the 5th seed.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:34 pm

Denver is currently the 1st seed.

by Lowlandbrit Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:39 pm

@FootballExpert wrote:When Mike Pettine is fired, the last five coaches fired in the AFC North would have been the coach of the Cleveland Browns.

@AlbertBreer wrote:Browns will have their sixth GM in eight years: Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Lombardi, Farmer and ???

I sometimes think the Browns would be better off just giving up on trying to be a normal NFL team. Get Paul Johnson in and run the triple option or something.

by GSC Sun 03 Jan 2016, 11:41 pm

Farmers already gone, Pettine is imminent.

by Number-25 Mon 04 Jan 2016, 12:59 am

GSC wrote:No offense fella, but all 5 teams should.

Carolina vs Seattle looks pretty tasty though. Cards just ran into the first elite team theyve played all year.

Haha! Don't you worry GSC, as happy as I am with the way 2015 went for the Redskins, I'm still all too aware of our place in the pecking order.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Jan 2016, 6:06 am

GSC wrote:Its hard to think of a potential worse #1 seed pairing than New England and Denver. New England can't do anything offensively right now and Osweiler just isnt good.

Good job we get Edelman, Amendola, Chandler back healthy for the playoffs then. Watching the game today I have no idea why they played Brady, they clearly were playing such a watered down playbook on offence. Gronk didn't run one route over the middle all day.

Said all along just get healthy for the playoffs, and I'm happy with our chances if we have to go into Denver (although whether they make it is questionable too)

Most jets loss ever - Watkins put revis on toast and Ryan Fitzpatrick became himself again.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Jan 2016, 6:13 am

GSC wrote:Brock Osweilers backup now entering the game

Least manning didn't go out on an injury - he'll go out on a one and done instead Wink

Seriously I'd stick with Brock - Manning really wasn't that different to pre injury

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Jan 2016, 6:24 am

GSC wrote:Kinda had questions about the Cardinals ability to matchup to heavyweights when it counted. Blowing out teams with issues in the regular season is one thing.

Seahawks currently rolling up big.

I'd argue today didn't really count that much for Arizona tbf...and not sure the matchup to heavyweights argument is fair seeing as they went into Seattle and won, beat Cincinnati and green bay. Only juggernaut team they have not played is Carolina. Can't help the schedule

by GSC Mon 04 Jan 2016, 9:20 am

Green Bay ain't a heavyweight, Seattle wasn't at the time and Cincys ill give you.

The number 1 seed was still up for grabs

by Lowlandbrit Mon 04 Jan 2016, 10:29 am

Just for fun, here's what the draft order would look like if it was done purely on points difference:
Browns (-154)
49ers (-149)
Titans (-124)
Cowboys (-99)
Dolphins (-79)
Chargers (-78)
Colts (-75)
Buccaneers (-75)
Ravens (-73)
Jaguars (-72)
Saints (-68)
Bears (-62)
Eagles (-53)
Rams (-50)
Lions (-42)
Raiders (-40)
Giants (-22)
Falcons (-6)
Redskins (+9)
Bills (+20)
Texans (+26)
Packers (+45)
Broncos (+59)
Vikings (+63)
Jets (+73)
Steelers (+104)
Chiefs (+118)
Bengals (+140)
Seahawks (+146)
Patriots (+150)
Cardinals (+176)
Panthers (+192)

Best division: AFC East (+164)
Worst division: AFC South (-245)

by Number-25 Mon 04 Jan 2016, 11:13 am

I mean, I know this isn't a revelation or anything, but...... Cleveland are just a mess.

Apparently Manziel wants to go to Dallas.... I sooooooooo hope he does.

by cherriesfna Mon 04 Jan 2016, 12:09 pm

cherriesfna wrote:personally i think the vikings will beat GB week 17, GB being playing grabage ball since that loss to denver

anyway, hawks turning up the heat, repeat performance vs the vikings and then we'll have Cam running for his life and throwing picks left right and center, back to back to back super-bowls here we go

by Number-25 Mon 04 Jan 2016, 1:05 pm

Last night might have been the Vikings worst win ever. Got to play the Seahawks now instead of the Redskins. Ugh.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Jan 2016, 1:08 pm

Pretty sure both teams were trying to lose but not being too obvious about it.

Saying that not a lock that green bay beat Washington

by Lowlandbrit Mon 04 Jan 2016, 1:41 pm

Number-25 wrote:Last night might have been the Vikings worst win ever. Got to play the Seahawks now instead of the Redskins. Ugh.

If the Vikings had lost they would have had to play the Packers again.

by crazy_dave23 Mon 04 Jan 2016, 7:46 pm

And Coughlin appears to be out

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 04 Jan 2016, 8:15 pm

Olly wrote:
GSC wrote:Its hard to think of a potential worse #1 seed pairing than New England and Denver. New England can't do anything offensively right now and Osweiler just isnt good.

Good job we get Edelman, Amendola, Chandler back healthy for the playoffs then. Watching the game today I have no idea why they played Brady, they clearly were playing such a watered down playbook on offence. Gronk didn't run one route over the middle all day.

Said all along just get healthy for the playoffs, and I'm happy with our chances if we have to go into Denver (although whether they make it is questionable too)

Most jets loss ever - Watkins put revis on toast and Ryan Fitzpatrick became himself again.

And Brady has a high ankle sprain now. Think it might be time to write off this year and move onto next

by Lowlandbrit Tue 05 Jan 2016, 9:29 am

In what might be the strangest decision of the year, the Colts have given extensions to Pagano and Grigson.

by GSC Tue 05 Jan 2016, 9:44 am

Jim Irsay is falling ass backwards into 2 franchise QBs away from being regarded as one of the worst owners in football.

by Lowlandbrit Tue 05 Jan 2016, 11:31 am

This is your brain on drugs:

@RapSheet wrote:#Colts owner Jim Irsay: "Bill Polian is going into the Hall of Fame. His first four years, Ryan (Grigson) has outdone him."

by mikeygnfl Tue 05 Jan 2016, 12:58 pm

The 49ers have sacked Tomsula but are keeping Trent Baalke as GM. Chip Kelly apparently wants the HC job. Kaepernickk and Kelly could be fun.

Onto the playoffs. I liked the Chiefs preseason and was very surprised when they went 1-5. They seemed to have coped well without Jamaal Charles and could be a lively playoff team going in from their 10 wins on the bounce.

I can't see the Broncos winning the Super Bowl with Peyton Manning against the likes or the Panthers, Seahawks or Cardinals defence. They may even struggle to win their divisional game.

Not sure where the Patriots are with injuries. How many fit players they can get on the field may prove how well they can defend their title.

The Steelers will have to rely on their passing game with both Bell and Williams out although they do have plenty of good receivers.

by Jermaine2015 Tue 05 Jan 2016, 2:03 pm

The St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders filed applications for relocation to Los Angeles on Monday night.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 05 Jan 2016, 4:56 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:In what might be the strangest decision of the year, the Colts have given extensions to Pagano and Grigson.

I think keeping Pagano is fine, guy has 44 wins in 4 seasons and playoff success despite grigson putting an awful roster together. I've no idea why Grigson was kept, the guy stinks as a GM.

by GSC Tue 05 Jan 2016, 4:58 pm

Paganos resume reads coached Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 05 Jan 2016, 5:03 pm

GSC wrote:Paganos resume reads coached Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

He's done as well as someone could do with the tools given to him by his GM. He isn't the best coach, but I don't think there's a better candidate out there for them to hire either

by Lowlandbrit Tue 05 Jan 2016, 5:34 pm

Today in 'only the Browns':
Johnny Manziel spent Saturday in Las Vegas in a wig and fake moustache going by the name 'Billy', and the team have just hired Jonah Hill from Moneyball.

by GSC Tue 05 Jan 2016, 10:00 pm

Grigson is a convenient shield for the truth that Pagano has utterly failed as a defensive coach.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 06 Jan 2016, 9:28 am

I'm back after my Christmas holiday.

What did I miss?

by Lowlandbrit Wed 06 Jan 2016, 2:52 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:The St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders filed applications for relocation to Los Angeles on Monday night.

I know it isn't news, but boy does the Rams ownership not like St. Louis: www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/kroenke-blasts-st-louis-in-nfl-relocation-proposal

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 06 Jan 2016, 4:55 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I'm back after my Christmas holiday.

What did I miss?

The browns hired a lawyer to make the final decision on the 53 man roster.

by GSC Wed 06 Jan 2016, 4:58 pm

And a baseball guy to assist him.

And they're currently interviewing the Cowboys DB coach

by crazy_dave23 Wed 06 Jan 2016, 7:46 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I'm back after my Christmas holiday.

What did I miss?

Your own fantasy football victory...

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 7:58 am

Did I win?!

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 8:00 am

Oh so I did! Fantastic! With Alshon Jeffrey and Michael Crabtree... wow.

by Lowlandbrit Thu 07 Jan 2016, 8:29 am

Nice of the Bucs to wait until Pr4wn got back from holiday to fire Lovie.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 8:39 am

Strange decision, that. My guess is that they'll put Koetter in charge, which is a good move, in my opinion.

I had high hopes for Lovie but a defensive coach calling the defensive plays just can't have results as poor as ours have been. We had the number five overall offense and a 6-10 record.

Also, we tied for the league lead in penalties. We just weren't a very well-coached team.

But, I think we represent a fantastic opportunity for any potential head coach candidates. A fantastic young QB, a great number one WR, a strong, young offensive line and some great front seven talent on defence.

by GSC Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:17 am

The timing seems very strange on several levels. Why wait until the rest of the league has scheduled several interviews before you fire him?

That said, he felt like a poor hire when it happened.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:31 am

My theory (and hope) is that they've already got a replacement in Koetter lined up.

by GSC Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:36 am

Seems to be a popular theory. They'd have to really fear he was off elsewhere, dont recall him having many interviews lined up.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:40 am

He's worked wonders with our offense this season and he seems to have a real bond with Jameis.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:53 am

Think it's the correct move, although agree the timing is strange.

Be interesting to see who is brought in as DC and what defence they'll run - Pr4wn I presume the personnel is more suited to a 4-3 than a 3-4?

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 9:58 am

Definitely. Our best players are 4-3 specifics in McCoy, David and Alexander.

by GSC Thu 07 Jan 2016, 10:00 am

The difference is overstated these days anyway, you play nickel more than base in the modern NFL.

by GSC Thu 07 Jan 2016, 3:14 pm

Regardless of Lovies competency though, firing your HC by phone is poor form.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 07 Jan 2016, 3:22 pm

Strange, the Buccaneers have such a long history of impeccable ownership behaviour.

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