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Post by 3fingers Wed 16 Sep 2015, 10:49 pm

I'll start by saying I know nothing about steroids, or the effect they have on the human body under different training regimes. All I know is which of the meat heads at the gym use them (bulls dongs the lot of them). Anyway, does anyone know what the form the human body takes for a steroid user who focuses on plyometrics, metobolic conditioning circuit training and aerobic/anorobic running, rather weights, while at the same time restricting caloric intake to something like 2000 to 3500 calories?

Is it like Timothy Bradley by any chance?

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Post by Scottrf Wed 16 Sep 2015, 10:56 pm

His physique looks average to me. Are you not that ripped?

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 7:40 am

Look at 100m sprinters. That is probably similar to what would be achieved. And yes some boxers too.

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Post by milkyboy Thu 17 Sep 2015, 9:04 am

before and after shots of juan manuel marquez, around the time of his last pacqauio fight whilst obviously not implying he himself did anything untoward, might give at least a kind of indication of the change in form that could be achieved. His was achieved by changing his fitness regime and trainer and drinking his own urine.

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 9:06 am

Look at Pacquiao early in his career. Not implying he used anything, but that is the sort of gains you can expect.

Also his head has grown, but that must be normal!

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:19 am

I'd say shredded & ripped to the max is what a body would look like following what you posted. Can't remember what Bradley's physique is like off hand but at LWW he did look in pretty good shape. Jones jr at LHW with a bit of weights chucked in is probably another look. Check out 70% of guys in the fitness magazines for further ideas.

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:59 am

I like how nobody is implying anything ha ha!

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:07 pm

We are all being very diplomatic. But is there anything to imply?Wink Wink

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:07 pm

Steroids are just a tool like whey protein to help you enhance your muscle gains and strength.....

It's all dependent on how much you use...........Me I've only ever done beginner/moderate cycles.....

500 mg of test a week.......Is the most I've used..

Think I read somewhere Dorian Yates cycle was something like

1500 mg of test.......1000mg Deca....100mg Dianabol....10 IUs of growth hormone. Plus other stuff............

Always worth remembering that this more to a great physique than taking steroids ie plenty of hard work....

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:09 pm

Dorian used a lot more than that.

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Post by milkyboy Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:09 pm

good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:13 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Steroids are just a tool like whey protein to help you enhance your muscle gains and strength.....

It's all dependent on how much you use...........Me I've only ever done beginner/moderate cycles.....

500 mg of test a week.......Is the most I've used..

Think I read somewhere Dorian Yates cycle was something like

1500 mg of test.......1000mg Deca....100mg Dianabol....10 IUs of growth hormone.  Plus other stuff............

Always worth remembering that this more to a great physique than taking steroids ie plenty of hard work....


I think the gist of it was what can be achieved with a lot of hard at an elite level plus the 'extras'.

I saw recently that Rich Piana claimed to have used 20IUs of growth hormone amongst a huge amount of other stuff to put on an alleged 48ib of muscle in a year!

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Post by Scottrf Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:15 pm

WTF is that.

http://testosteronejunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rich-Piana-mega-Mutant-in-2013.gif

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Post by ShahenshahG Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:23 pm

THE INCREDIBLE TAN.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:31 pm

Have to remember Piano has admitted to using synthol.........

Any skinny Tinkywinky using synthol can have 18 inch arms for one day..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:32 pm

He has used synthol, but so have a lot of pros.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:32 pm

AdamT wrote:He has used synthol, but so have a lot of pros.

Never said they haven't..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:34 pm

Just putting that out there.

Them guys spend a fortune to look disgusting.

Bodybuilding was better 30 years ago.

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:41 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have to remember Piano has admitted to using synthol.........

Any skinny Tinkywinky using synthol can have 18 inch arms for one day..

In the video he gave his complete stack, crazy amounts he took. I like his honesty, especially when he says he'll probably die at least 10 years earlier than is normal and how he wished he'd not been so stupid to use everything without really learning about first. Says he started at 18!

Anybody know Strongbacks stack? Should be impressive when you look at his achievements!

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:45 pm

milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

It certainly does Very Happy I recently heard 2 quotes, 'If you don't dope you won't cope' and words to the effect of 'if you're not juicing you're not training hard enough!'

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:46 pm

milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

Only cheating If other people aren't doing it..

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Post by Pedro147 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

Only cheating If other people aren't doing it..

Or it's against the rules. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:55 pm

I wouldn't bother using. Whwn you go off for good, you just turn regular. Waste of time.

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:00 pm

Pedro147 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

Only cheating If other people aren't doing it..

Or it's against the rules. Two wrongs don't make a right.


Against the rules that are not adequately enforced and even if it doesn't make it right it certainly evens the playing field. Thing is though in strongman, powerlifting, bodybuilding its the norm, you don't use you don't place.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:00 pm

Pedro147 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

Only cheating If other people aren't doing it..

Or it's against the rules. Two wrongs don't make a right.

The moral majority..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:02 pm

sohotnot wrote:
Pedro147 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:good point truss, cheating requires a good work ethic

Only cheating If other people aren't doing it..

Or it's against the rules. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Against the rules that are not adequately enforced and even if it doesn't make it right it certainly evens the playing field. Thing is though in strongman, powerlifting, bodybuilding its the norm, you don't use you don't place.

The powerlifting fed I'm in drug tests.

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Post by Guest Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:05 pm

AdamT wrote:I wouldn't bother using. Whwn you go off for good, you just turn regular. Waste of time.

Not entirely true though is it. Everybody I know that has used for weight training/bodybuilding have all maintained a decent size but admittedly did see drops in strength and couldn't train at the same intensity. Fighters just use it as required, generally they are not using it to bulk up, more often to cut weight, remain strong and have good stamina or add some explosive power to their game.

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:06 pm

If they are off long enough, they lose loads.

Not talking a few months, I'm talking a couple years.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:08 pm

Problem with powerlifting is If you're 6ft like me or over and relatively long limbed you're screwed competing against stocky little guys who hardly need to move the bench press or squat bar to get a rep out.....

I'll stick to sculpting a physique..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:10 pm

I'm 6 foot with short arms and long legs, Not great for powerlifting, but I push myself to get stronger.

Getting a pb is like a drug. Guess it is similar to someone running a fast time.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:22 pm

Mayweather is a clean athlete always has been. Spokesperson for anti-doping.

These attempts to muddy his name and legacy are quite pitiful. I think we can all see what you are trying to imply.

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:23 pm

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:40 pm

Got to laugh at these orange monstrosities prancing about on stage. If you're that dedicated to lift weights, why not use it and play a sport?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:42 pm

Always get people without the bollox to build a good physique mocking those that can..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:44 pm


Wouldn't call them mutants good physique, each to their own.

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:57 pm

Depends what you regard as good physique. If your body is fit for purpose for the discipline you're doing then it's a good physique. In my case I was pretty serious about swimming when I was younger, one of the objectives is not to sink, so if you're built like one of those posers in thongs, it's counter-productive.

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:58 pm

Old school bodybuilders had good physique.

The guys now are just mutations. Fitness physique is far more appealing to the average person.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:03 pm

Dipper Brown wrote:Depends what you regard as good physique. If your body is fit for purpose for the discipline you're doing then it's a good physique. In my case I was pretty serious about swimming when I was younger, one of the objectives is not to sink, so if you're built like one of those posers in thongs, it's counter-productive.

Your idea of a good physique is probably one where you don't have to train to hard to achieve it......

Should think most people would love to look like arnie in Commando or predator..

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Post by AdamT Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:03 pm

A swimmer physique is a good physique for natural.

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:36 pm

I remember training pretty hard to be honest, not that I was a great trainer and I didn't love gym work like some did. But again, I was training to do something rather than to look a certain way.

Also, I refute the Arnie thing. I doubt most people want to look like Arnie, I certainly don't. But who am I to tell anyone what beauty looks like? Can't all be the same can we? Each to their own.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:39 pm

You say Orange monstrosities...

Then you say who am I to say what beauty looks like..

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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:42 pm

That's what they look like to me, but am I 100% correct on something as subjective as beauty?

I think we've established that we have very different taste in men, Truss. Which is fortunate or I'd scratch your eyes out down the Oyster!

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Post by Scottrf Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:50 pm

You guys forget that TRUSSY is American. The bigger the better. Doesn't matter that they are grotesque and their 'strength' has no application.

I get being impressed with a Schwarzenegger physique. But Piana looks like a freak.

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Post by Rowley Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:51 pm

Can we not leave this kind of homo eroticism to the weightlifting board?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:52 pm

Rowley wrote:Can we not leave this kind of homo eroticism to the weightlifting board?

An avid reader are you ??

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Post by Rowley Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:53 pm

Anywhere you are I'll be there Truss!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:55 pm

But I'm round Elton's tonight


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Post by Dipper Brown Thu 17 Sep 2015, 2:57 pm

I'm just practicing for the month long argument I'll have when the Mrs forces me to watch the rugby World Cup. Wales have long sacrificed skill for being gym monsters. My kingdom for another Shane Williams.

I say month long, doubt we'll get out of the group!

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Post by milkyboy Thu 17 Sep 2015, 3:55 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Always get people without the bollox to build a good physique mocking those that can..

Isn't that the irony though truss... Ending up with bollox like dry roast peanuts.

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Post by kingraf Thu 17 Sep 2015, 7:08 pm

Wouldn't juice. Bad for your heart. Turns your Tendons and ligaments to jelly. Unless you've got a really quality physio, most won't touch you because they know you're a walking time bomb. Can't really see why a modern athlete would juice, to be honest. Medical science has advanced so much, knowledge of the body gas progressed. Sport science has probably progressed at the same rate as IT, really. Better shoes, better physios, post workout masseuse-ing, altitude training, global stabiliser strengthening, local stabiliser strengthening. C-vac chambers. Hyperbaric chambers. The guys at the top really have no need to juice under old medicine (steroids) unless they have a really old school trainer
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