QF4: Australia v Scotland, 18 October

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AUSTRALIA v SCOTLAND

18 October 2015
16:00 BST (UTC+01)
Twickenham, London

Live on telly

Ref: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
ARs: Glen Jackson (New Zealand) and Pascal Gauzere (France)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

28 Played 28
19 Won 9
0 Drawn 0
9 Lost 19
671 Points 330

B. Recent Form

23 November 2013
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
15 – 21 to Australia

5 June 2012
Hunter Stadium, Newcastle
6 – 9 to Scotland

21 November 2009
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 8 to Scotland

25 November 2006
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
15 – 44 to Australia

20 November 2004
Hampden Park, Glasgow
17 – 31 to Australia

C. TEAMS:
AUSTRALIA

15 Kurtley Beale; 14 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Matt Giteau, 11 Drew Mitchell; 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Will Genia;

1 Scott Sio, 2Stephen Moore, 3 Sekope Kepu, 4 Kane Douglas, 5 Rob Simmons, 6 Scott Fardy, 7 Michael Hooper, 8 Ben McCalman.

Substitutes: 16 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 James Slipper, 18 Greg Holmes, 19 Dean Mumm, 20 Sean McMahon, 21 Nick Phipps, 22 Matt Toomua, 23 Quade Cooper.

SCOTLAND

15 Stuart Hogg; 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Peter Horne 11 Tommy Seymour; 10 Finn Russell,  9 Greig Laidlaw;

1 Alasdair Dickinson, 2 Ross Ford, 3 Willem Nel, 4 Jonny Gray, 5 Richie Gray, 6 Blair Cowan, 7 John Hardie, 8 David Denton. 


Substitutes: 
16 Fraser Brown, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Josh Strauss, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Richie Vernon, 23 Sean Lamont.

Can t believe they did not take the points but they get away with it.

A try from a penalty which should have went our way

Shifty wrote:

Fanster wrote:Wow Wales really softened this Aussie pack up for you guys...

That isn't really fair on Scotland we've all had a weeks rest before this game.  It might be that Australia peaked too early against England and are now on a bit of a slide, but I think Scotland are just playing really well to be fair to them.  I am worried that Scotlands self belief will start to fail them early in the second half though.  Australia will probably just step it up s gear after half time.

It was very much tongue in cheek i promise!

That seriously looked tractor trailer there for the Aussies.

Been a very good close match so far, I cant help but feel Scotland have to be in front by at least a score going into the last 20mins.

Take the 5.

Foley is having a nightmare kicking at goal, even by his standards.

I can see Beale taking the kicks in the second half. We need to tighten up the defence as we can't rely on Oz missing more kicks.

#keeptheballinhandScotland

He's having a shocker with the boot. Can't leave all the points on the field and expect to win these sorts of pressure matches.

So good to see Scotland playing with real belief, and I hope we can keep it up in the second half. Some great carries going in from Denton and the Grays, and was delighted to see Greig get in Foleys face after he's knocked the ball on. We need that kind of niggle if we're to knock big teams off their stride. Happy so far, come on boys

You are dead right Shifty (see my tongue in cheek reply 7 posts above yours). It is quite ridiculous to make any connection between past games and this one. Hang on, though - Foley's just missed a third conversion.

Scotland have played brilliantly and deserve their narrow h/t lead. But I've a nagging feeling that they are playing to their full while Aus - 3 tries already, without playing consistently well for sustained periods - have another gear or two in the box.

Fanster wrote:Joubert again, seemngly looking to see how he can penalise Scotland instead of looking at whats going on.

Do you want to stop whuinging about the ref? its the same both both sides. No ref whinging on a scotland thread please

Scoreline very flattering for Australia. Feels like we're behind by more. Cheika needs to really give it to them at HT. The difference between the ABs and the Wallabies is so evident. Massive gulf in the ability to execute plays, retain possession with mistake free rugby.
Argentina would have run through them by now. If they don't improve... then we're out.

Are we actually in the lead at half time? How can we stop the game now? Pitch invasion by heilan coos?

TJ wrote:

Fanster wrote:Joubert again, seemngly looking to see how he can penalise Scotland instead of looking at whats going on.

Do you want to stop whuinging about the ref?  its the same both both sides.  No ref whinging on a scotland thread please

Whats your issue with Wales and the Welsh, you attack everyone you come across, and bring us up constantly. I'll not bother responding to someone like you in future so don't bother responding to this.

RE Joubert, few key decisions that have culminated in that try, the one in Australias half was awfl, not a fan.

I think Austrlia won't feel too bad right now, Foley kicking is awful, and Scoland looking for him when Aus hide hime in defence, but the scoreline doesnt reflect the fact that Aus have scored 3 tries already.

Thoughts so far

Keep the ball in hand
Stop the box kicks (by all means do clearing kicks when needed but humo it up field and ffs chase the kick
Tighten up the defence
Stop flying out the line
Make the first up tackles

Many didn't give us a chance. We're still in this. We can do this if we keep our heads

Hoots mon!

Australia better not Mess this up. I've got a lot of cash on a RC sweep

Fanster wrote:

TJ wrote:

Fanster wrote:Joubert again, seemngly looking to see how he can penalise Scotland instead of looking at whats going on.

Do you want to stop whuinging about the ref?  its the same both both sides.  No ref whinging on a scotland thread please

Whats your issue with Wales and the Welsh, you attack everyone you come across, and bring us up constantly. I'll not bother responding to someone like you in future so don't bother responding to this.

RE Joubert, few key decisions that have culminated in that try, the one in Australias half was awfl, not a fan.

I think Austrlia won't feel too bad right now, Foley kicking is awful, and Scoland looking for him when Aus hide hime in defence, but the scoreline doesnt reflect the fact that Aus have scored 3 tries already.

I hate whinging about refs. Its bad enough when its on your own teams threads. I have no issue with the Welsh and I don't attack everyone. get a grip.

The way they are talking on tv Scotland are on top 3 tries to one down! Scotland must stop the tries Aust will give pens away rather than a try. With Folley kicking Scotland may need to give pens away rather than tries.

TJ,

Ok, so the the A side/1st half is great - but is the B side/2nd half) as good?!

Who makes the least mistakes wins. Disappointing match compared to the others so far.

Poo off. Deliberate my @rse

Very harsh

Deliberate knock-on? What a ridiculous ruling...

Craig Joubert you are dick.

Aussie deliberately knocks on against England, not even a penalty, a Scot does it against them and it's a yellow card, starting to lose faith this refereeing.

Absolutely shocking call.

Go to the TMO again and ask for a ruling on tractor trailering....

Oh dear, this deliberate knock on crap needs fixing. In that situation he has to go for the intercept. Awful decision.

Game over. Thanks Joubert.

My gosh Joubert is very harsh. Nasty, nasty, nasty refereeing there.
It looked clumsy but he was going for the intercept legitimately.

Get tae fvuk with your yellow card.

Nonsense ref

I don't like those being awarded a yellow, but unfortunately the ruling is often that if you reach out one handed and knock it on then it is deliberate. Seen them yellow carded plenty. If he'd reached two handed he probably would have got away with it.

50/50 for me but its really cost us. He didn't knock it upwards so he was never going to gather it. Its always a risk when you do that and he did it because he was out of position. Harsh to give the yellow.

Sssshhhh TJ will tell you off.

Thats a poor decision, slow motion replay was always going to make it look worse, he is one handed at it, but it's an attempt to bring the ball in, he hasn't slapped it down whatsoever, Alex Cuthbert slap down is a yellow Card, this was not.

The deliberate knock on rule is so subjective. I remember a 6N game a couple of years ago (better not mention the teams in case Fanster goes off on one again) where almost identical incidents by each side were judged on the hand as pen and yellow card and on the other as an accidental knock on.

I fear the decision in this case was harsh but right. Instinctive reaction alas is no defence.

SimonofSurrey wrote:The deliberate knock on rule is so subjective. I remember a 6N game a couple of years ago (better not mention the teams in case Fanster goes off on one again) where almost identical incidents by each side were judged on the hand as pen and yellow card and on the other as an accidental knock on.    

I fear the decision in this case was harsh but right. Instinctive reaction alas is no defence.

I was thinking of exactly the same game, if you leave a decision like that up to judgement there will always be errors, sadly there are too many areas of the game where us refs have an opinion and trend on.

I think the IRB need to look at penalties. I watched too many games in this World Cup in which the advantage gained hasn't match the penalty.

Knock on well ref ed like the knock on by Maitland

Brainfart by Russell - but5 a bit of fine reffing saves us

Fantastic spot by Joubert to see Genia's little knock on and write off what would have been 27-19. Can we all now agree that he is actually having a good, two-eyed game?

Oooooh, that looks painful

SimonofSurrey wrote:Fantastic spot by Joubert to see Genia's little knock on and write off what would have been 27-19. Can we all now agree that he is actually having a good, two-eyed game?

I think the only mistake has been the yellow but that was the tmo's fault. Regarding the knock on- it was actually the assistant that spotted it

SimonofSurrey wrote:Fantastic spot by Joubert to see Genia's little knock on and write off what would have been 27-19. Can we all now agree that he is actually having a good, two-eyed game?

A good correct decision doesn't counter a bad wrong decision.

I dislike Joubert, he generally perceives the favourite as the better team and gives them an easier time of things.

Nigel Owens would have just told Genia he was looking for it...

Get in there!

Fvuk yeah Finn and fvuk yeah Seymour.

Come on boys!!!!!

I can see Copper coming on to replace Folley which could be good news.

Whatever the final result, we're doing the NH proud!

Is Nel the only player that can chase kicks?