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Post by neilthom7 Sat 07 Nov 2015, 11:11 am

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Dragons v Ulster Rugby
Sunday 8th November 2015
Rodney Parade
2.30pm Kick Off
TV- BBC NI and S4C

Referee: Dudley Phillips (IRFU, 54th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Simon Rees (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Aurwel Morgan (WRU)
TMO: Tim Hayes (WRU)

This should be interesting, Ulster have changed their squad up for this one with the European game in France coming up and with a numbe rof players still missing with Injuries.  Combine that with our frankly awful away record this season and things don't look good but still at least we have best and pienaar back.

Newport Gwent Dragons: Carl Meyer; Ashton Hewitt, Adam Hughes, Adam Warren, Nick Scott; Dorian Jones, Sarel Pretorius; Boris Stankovich, Elliot Dee, Shaun Knight; Cory Hill, Rynard Landman (capt); Ed Jackson, Ollie Griffiths, Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Rhys Buckley, Phil Price, Brok Harris, Matthew Screech, Lewis Evans, Charlie Davies, Jason Tovey, Ross Wardle.

Ulster: Peter Nelson; Rory Scholes, Darren Cave, Stuart McCloskey, Sam Arnold; Paddy Jackson, Paul Marshall; Kyle McCall, Rob Herring (captain), Wiehahn Herbst; Dan Tuohy, Franco van der Merwe; Robbie Diack, Chris Henry, Stephen Mulholland.

Replacements: Rory Best, Ricky Lutton, Bronson Ross, Lewis Stevenson, Sean Reidy, Ruan Pienaar, Ian Humphreys, Craig Gilroy


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Post by VinceWLB Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:33 pm

And again Herbst pull down the scrum but no penalty against him

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:34 pm

The Ulster tighthead lost his footing three times then.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:34 pm

Seriously take the flipping points. picard

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:35 pm

maestegmafia wrote:The Ulster tighthead lost his footing three times then.

He is getting his arse handled to him on a plate by Stankovich

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:35 pm

How dumb are these professional players? Seriously that is disgraceful, how many flipping times do you need to see that those decisions to turn down the points rarely pay off? I despair.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm

Get Rory Best on now.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Seriously take the flipping points. picard

You were right there

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Post by SecretFly Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm

When you think about it that often happens.  One side has almost too much dominance in the scrum at that location and eventually you almost know the longer they keep the dominance going, the more likely they'll lose momentum.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:38 pm

About time!

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:38 pm

Well deserved try there. Good pressure by Ulster.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:38 pm

Gurrier try.

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Post by Notch Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:38 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:How dumb are these professional players? Seriously that is disgraceful, how many flipping times do you need to see that those decisions to turn down the points rarely pay off? I despair.

And why on earth didn't we maul it if we were going to turn down the points?
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:39 pm

Did we ever have dominance at the scrum though? It was more a case of a few dodgy scrums going to ground and some fortunate decisions. We weren't going forward whatsoever. How stupid are these players? More head injury assessments please.

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:40 pm

Accidental offside thats a penalty ref

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Post by Notch Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:41 pm

Whereas our maul has been on top... bizarre decision making.
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Post by JmD Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:42 pm

Sensible decision by Phillips, crowd are getting a bit classless.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:47 pm

You have to feel for Mulholland

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:47 pm

Mulholland picard

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:49 pm

A dragons try could make for an exciting last quarter now

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:51 pm

It's a bit like x-factor. It's not the weirdos fault they are weirdos. It's the people who put then in front of a huge audience.

On one hand it's an honour to play for ulster. On the other habd nobody dreams of having one singular embarrassing game out of their depth...


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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:51 pm

Tovey going for the posts?

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:51 pm

maestegmafia wrote:A dragons try could make for an exciting last quarter now

Faletau is trying his best for it not to happen though

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Post by JmD Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:52 pm

Dudley really doesn't like rucks, does he

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:53 pm

JmD wrote:Dudley really doesn't like rucks, does he

I'm not even sure he is a big fan of rugby as a sport let alone the individual aspects of the game.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:54 pm

Not impressed by a few of the fans behaviour there...

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 3:55 pm

I thought if the ball hits the corner flag it's in touch in goal?

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Post by toml Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:02 pm

I hope Kiss installs Lutton as first choice tighthead.

Underwhelmed by Herbst this season.

I hope kiss tells Alan Clarke where to go

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Post by Marshes Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:05 pm

Only just tuned in for the second half but Faletau looks pretty disinterested. Dragons need to make the man advantage count here.

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm

Dragons are a lot worse than last season

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Post by toml Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:07 pm

Faletau hasn't been bad, still looks a cut above most lads on the pitch,

When is his Wales contract up?

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:11 pm

Bloody hell! Rory Best ignored repeated calls from Dudley to release the ball. Coughed up the penalty to give Dragons platform in our 22. Idiot.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:16 pm

My nerves are shredded!

Poor performance but such a relief just to get the win.

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Post by neilthom7 Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:16 pm

Well just about snuck over the line but I guess a first away win is better than we were. If only we were better in the breakdown far too passive. They need to be much more aggressive.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:16 pm

clivemcl wrote:Bloody hell! Rory Best ignored repeated calls from Dudley to release the ball. Coughed up the penalty to give Dragons platform in our 22. Idiot.

Redeemed himself in the end.

Far far far from impressive though. Not hopeful about Europe.

About time we played Diack as our first choice 8.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:16 pm

Well done Ulster.... Good start by dragons but their attack couldn't match Ulsters defence.

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Post by Notch Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:17 pm

Well, that was nervous.

Got to admire Rory Best- after being wrongly penalised for a legal turnover in our 22 earlier he still has the stones to do the same thing again and win the game clap
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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:17 pm

clivemcl wrote:Bloody hell! Rory Best ignored repeated calls from Dudley to release the ball. Coughed up the penalty to give Dragons platform in our 22. Idiot.

He's also a bit deaf. That and a loud home support.

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Post by toml Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:18 pm

clivemcl wrote:Bloody hell! Rory Best ignored repeated calls from Dudley to release the ball. Coughed up the penalty to give Dragons platform in our 22. Idiot.

You can keep your idiot. He plays on the edge just like Ritchie McCaw. Idiot

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Post by Notch Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:19 pm

Munchkin wrote:Mulholland picard

He had a good game outside of the ball control at the base of the scrum; we could have had Henry or Diack pack down at 8 on our ball and put him at flanker, and not put him under that unnecessary pressure. I'm happy with his performance. Not going to be a worldbeater but solid option once he sorts that scrum issue out.


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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:20 pm

toml wrote:Faletau hasn't been bad, still looks a cut above most lads on the pitch,

When is his Wales contract up?

He hasn't got a Wales contract! Only a Dragons one.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:22 pm

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Munchkin wrote:Mulholland picard

He had a good game outside of the ball control at the base of the scrum; we could have had Henry or Diack pack down at 8 on our ball and put him at flanker, and not out him under pressure. I'm happy with his performance. Not going to be a worldbeater but solid option once he sorts that scrum issue out.

I think it's too early to say how he is going to go, but my gripe was for allowing himself to be caught out for the second time, and so close to the posts. I wouldn't read too much into his mistakes though. Nervy start, and it would be wrong to expect too much at this point. Needs more time, and experience.

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:29 pm

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clivemcl wrote:Bloody hell! Rory Best ignored repeated calls from Dudley to release the ball. Coughed up the penalty to give Dragons platform in our 22. Idiot.

You can keep your idiot. He plays on the edge just like Ritchie McCaw. Idiot

Don't be so defensive. I didn't ridicule his entire career. He gave away a potentially costly penalty despite clear warning. I call a spade a spade. Don't care if it's big nick or rory best.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:32 pm

Not sure it was a clear penalty, Clive. It looked legit to me at the time. Not to Dudley though...

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Post by SecretFly Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:39 pm

Rory thought it was Nigel that was reffing. He did hear the 'leave it!' but felt sure he'd be let take it anyway..... Whistle

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:41 pm

Yea but since when has that mattered? Come on, the nature of rugby is, you listen to the ref. Full stop.

Pointing out the ref's error does not turn a defeat into a win.

The call was loud and clear and repeated.

It's exactly the kind of indiscipline we need to sort out 1-15. Nobody has a get out of jail free card.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:44 pm

Yes, but we can't criticise the guy for being on the end of a poor ref call either. I don't know if he heard the ref, but I do know he has a problem with his hearing. Which isn't helped be a loud Dragons crowd.

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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:46 pm

SecretFly wrote:Rory thought it was Nigel that was reffing.  He did hear the 'leave it!' but felt sure he'd be let take it anyway..... Whistle

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Post by clivemcl Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:48 pm

Munchkin wrote:Yes, but we can't criticise the guy for being on the end of a poor ref call either. I don't know if he heard the ref, but I do know he has a problem with his hearing. Which isn't helped be a loud Dragons crowd.

OK, fair enough. Bad hearing myself, so I'll let him away with that one. Great turnover in the end! clap


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Post by Notch Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:48 pm

clivemcl wrote:Nobody has a get out of jail free card.

You have to adapt to the ref, but that was a fantastic piece of play from Best to turn it over in the first place. Victim of his own success in the eyes of the referee.
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Post by Guest Sun 08 Nov 2015, 4:49 pm

clivemcl wrote:
Munchkin wrote:Yes, but we can't criticise the guy for being on the end of a poor ref call either. I don't know if he heard the ref, but I do know he has a problem with his hearing. Which isn't helped be a loud Dragons crowd.

OK, fair enough. Bad hearing myself, so I'll let him away with that one.

My own isn't perfect either. Tinnitus mad

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