Haye predictions for the weekend

hazharrison wrote:While this is a great argument for the board's pedants to engage in (prove it then!) the fact is that no-one has any idea which fighters are clean and which aren't if they're basing their view on a fighters drug testing record.

PED testing in boxing is so woeful that only a cretin would allow themselves to be caught (hence the fact Rios and Berto and the like were busted recently).

From what I can gather, the only testing body worth its salt is VADA. The only fighter I know, who's agreed to 365-day VADA testing is Nonito Donaire. So we can probably all agree that Donaire is clean. That's it. No-one can prove either way whether any other fighter is or isn't clean.

The rest is all conjecture but anyone with any common sense can tell by looking at someone whether or not they're pumped full of chemicals. 40-year old men do not get to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger by eating porridge and jumping rope.  

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:While this is a great argument for the board's pedants to engage in (prove it then!) the fact is that no-one has any idea which fighters are clean and which aren't if they're basing their view on a fighters drug testing record.

PED testing in boxing is so woeful that only a cretin would allow themselves to be caught (hence the fact Rios and Berto and the like were busted recently).

From what I can gather, the only testing body worth its salt is VADA. The only fighter I know, who's agreed to 365-day VADA testing is Nonito Donaire. So we can probably all agree that Donaire is clean. That's it. No-one can prove either way whether any other fighter is or isn't clean.

The rest is all conjecture but anyone with any common sense can tell by looking at someone whether or not they're pumped full of chemicals. 40-year old men do not get to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger by eating porridge and jumping rope.  

No more Hauser articles from you then....

"That naughty waughty Mayweather is different though because I don't like him..I don't like him one bit !!"

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not interested......

milkyboy wrote:I think a few on here have voiced suspicions about wlad, Dave.

I'm no bodybuilder, to me Haye just looked big not ripped... It wouldn't have aroused my suspicions... I just thought he hadn't trained very hard!

Interesting comments by mcguigan... The camp was an uphill struggle... Gave haye's performance a 5-6 out of 10. But of friction or just a straight talker?

DAVE667 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:I think a few on here have voiced suspicions about wlad, Dave.

I'm no bodybuilder, to me Haye just looked big not ripped... It wouldn't have aroused my suspicions... I just thought he hadn't trained very hard!

Interesting comments by mcguigan... The camp was an uphill struggle... Gave haye's performance a 5-6 out of 10. But of friction or just a straight talker?

With you there Milky...apart from the arousal bit obviously!!

As for Wlad, whilst I'm unsurprised at a vocal few suggesting Wlad's conditioning could be due to nefarious means, again, I'd argue that the man holding arguably the most celebrated title in all of sport would be subjected to some of the most vigorous testing available...much like Usain Bolt. With people of such calibre representing their sport, surely they would and should be held up to an even higher standard that the rest. Maybe I'm being naïve and assuming that the pair of them have been tested to the Heavens and back again and found to be clean.

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:I think a few on here have voiced suspicions about wlad, Dave.

I'm no bodybuilder, to me Haye just looked big not ripped... It wouldn't have aroused my suspicions... I just thought he hadn't trained very hard!

Interesting comments by mcguigan... The camp was an uphill struggle... Gave haye's performance a 5-6 out of 10. But of friction or just a straight talker?

With you there Milky...apart from the arousal bit obviously!!

As for Wlad, whilst I'm unsurprised at a vocal few suggesting Wlad's conditioning could be due to nefarious means, again, I'd argue that the man holding arguably the most celebrated title in all of sport would be subjected to some of the most vigorous testing available...much like Usain Bolt. With people of such calibre representing their sport, surely they would and should be held up to an even higher standard that the rest. Maybe I'm being naïve and assuming that the pair of them have been tested to the Heavens and back again and found to be clean.

Klitschko hasn't been tested by anyone other than the German Boxing Federation (via NADA - whoever they are).

hazharrison wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not interested......

Then why bring it up? It's like arguing with the missus.

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:I think a few on here have voiced suspicions about wlad, Dave.

I'm no bodybuilder, to me Haye just looked big not ripped... It wouldn't have aroused my suspicions... I just thought he hadn't trained very hard!

Interesting comments by mcguigan... The camp was an uphill struggle... Gave haye's performance a 5-6 out of 10. But of friction or just a straight talker?

With you there Milky...apart from the arousal bit obviously!!

As for Wlad, whilst I'm unsurprised at a vocal few suggesting Wlad's conditioning could be due to nefarious means, again, I'd argue that the man holding arguably the most celebrated title in all of sport would be subjected to some of the most vigorous testing available...much like Usain Bolt. With people of such calibre representing their sport, surely they would and should be held up to an even higher standard that the rest. Maybe I'm being naïve and assuming that the pair of them have been tested to the Heavens and back again and found to be clean.

Klitschko hasn't been tested by anyone other than the German Boxing Federation (via NADA - whoever they are).

Not even when fighting in the USA?

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

 ........You going to provide the billions of dollars..

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

 ........You going to provide the billions of dollars..

TopHat can chip in a few quid can't he?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

 ........You going to provide the billions of dollars..

AdamT wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

 ........You going to provide the billions of dollars..

Random means a few tests to suspected boxers. .

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

AdamT wrote:All major sports should be random 365 days a year testing. It might not mean someone is definitely clean, but only then is it really credible.

 ........You going to provide the billions of dollars..

Random means a few tests to suspected boxers. .

Then they get sued for defamation of character........

hazharrison wrote:While this is a great argument for the board's pedants to engage in (prove it then!) the fact is that no-one has any idea which fighters are clean and which aren't if they're basing their view on a fighters drug testing record.

PED testing in boxing is so woeful that only a cretin would allow themselves to be caught (hence the fact Rios and Berto and the like were busted recently).

Ironically it was Berto that insisted on strict testing for the fight!

From what I can gather, the only testing body worth its salt is VADA. The only fighter I know, who's agreed to 365-day VADA testing is Nonito Donaire. So we can probably all agree that Donaire is clean. That's it. No-one can prove either way whether any other fighter is or isn't clean.

Interestingly his performances went downhill during this period especially after he stopped working with Conte, who incidently was working with Berto at the time!

The rest is all conjecture but anyone with any common sense can tell by looking at someone whether or not they're pumped full of chemicals. 40-year old men do not get to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger by eating porridge and jumping rope.  

milkyboy wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not interested......

Then why bring it up? It's like arguing with the missus.

... Which no doubt you do quite often haz!

I wouldn't want to bet my life on donaire being clean... If your chemist is one step ahead, you can take the moral high ground and avoid suspicion. I'm sure he is clean but being vocal about your testing is no guarantee...

Floyd and his 'take the test'... By which some could interprate as meaning 'take MY test with the guys I bought off'.

I have no idea who's clean who isn't. But it's a macho professional sport with a lot of money at stake... One loss can finish your earning potential... And the 'testing' if we can call it that, has no central authority or ownership. Under such circumstances it would be a bigger surprise to learn the sport was relatively clean than to find out they were all at it.

milkyboy wrote:Can't blame her haz, she must find it difficult when you've got the decorators in.