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Champions Cup Final - Saracens vs Racing 92, 14 May

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Post by LondonTiger Wed May 11, 2016 10:56 am

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Racing 92 v Saracens
14 May 2016
KO: 17:45 local (16:45 BST)
Grand Stade de Lyon

TV: FR2, beIN Sports, BT Sport, Sky Sports

Officials
Referee - Nigel Owens
Touch Judge 1 - George Clancy
Touch Judge 2 - Leighton Hodges
TMO - Simon McDowell
Citing Commissioner - Murray White

Form

07/05/16 Worcester 19 Saracens 43
01/05/16 Saracens 23 Newcastle 14
23/04/16 Saracens 24 Wasps 17
16/04/16 Saracens 22 Harlequins 12
09/04/16 Saracens 29 Northampton 20


07/05/16 Brive 33 Racing 27
01/05/16 Racing 26 Clermont 20
24/04/16 Leicester 16 Racing 19

17/04/16 Toulouse 14 Racing 3
10/04/16 Racing 19 Toulon 16


Teams

Racing 92 
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15. Brice Dulin; 14. Joe Rokocoko, 13. Johannes Goosen, 12. Alexandre Dumoulin, 11. Juan Imhoff; 10. Dan Carter, 9. Maxime Machenaud; 1. Eddy Ben Arous, 2. Dimitri Szarzewski, 3. Ben Tameifuna, 4. Luke Charteris, 5. Francois van der Merwe, 6. Wenceslas Lauret, 7. Bernard Le Roux, 8. Chris Masoe
16. Virgile Lacombe, 17. Khatchik Vartanov, 18. Luc Ducalcon, 19. Manuel Carizza, 20. Antonie Claassen, 21. Mike Phillips, 22. Remi Tales, 23. Henry Chavancy

Saracens
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15. Alex Goode; 14. Chris Ashton, 13. Duncan Taylor, 12. Brad Barritt, 11. Chris Wyles; 10. Owen Farrell, 9. Richard Wigglesworth; 1. Mako Vunipola, 2. Schalk Brits, 3. Petrus du Plessis, 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis, 6. Michael Rhodes, 7. Will Fraser, 8. Billy Vunipola
16. Jamie George, 17. Richard Barrington, 18. Juan Figallo, 19. Jim Hamilton, 20. Jackson Wray, 21. Ben Spencer, 22. Charlie Hodgson, 23. Marcelo Bosch


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Post by Don Alfonso Wed May 11, 2016 11:43 am

Is this being played on any particular day?

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Post by quinsforever Wed May 11, 2016 12:09 pm

saturday 5pm i think

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Post by yappysnap Wed May 11, 2016 12:21 pm

Don't know which team I want to win less tbh, the one who's spent unlimited resources on a squad of players that can beat anyone, or the other one who's spent unlimited resources on a squad to beat anyone.

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Post by LondonTiger Wed May 11, 2016 12:23 pm

I will plump for the team that has more self developed players in it, and spent less (probably)

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Post by quinsforever Wed May 11, 2016 2:04 pm

lol. with 9 england players in the sarries matchday squad its clear who i will be supporting OK

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Post by LondonTiger Wed May 11, 2016 2:32 pm

Sarries likely to have 10 England Internationals in the starting XV, five products of their academy.

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Post by quinsforever Wed May 11, 2016 6:34 pm

yeah, sarries actually doing a really good job with their academy now. the perception of sarries as overpaid saffer mercenaries is long out of date.

also saw that sarries had 4 players in englands rwc u20 squad, alongside leeds i think that also had 4. and the rest of the clubs 3 or fewer representatives.

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Post by LondonTiger Thu May 12, 2016 12:13 pm

OP udated with all officials. Ireland now have representatives, and assuming Taylor plays so will Scotland. Surprised an Italian Citing Commissioner was not appointed.

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu May 12, 2016 3:34 pm

I'd quite like someone who is not in the running for European Player of the Year to have an absolute stormer, dragging his team to the title single-handed, if only to make a mockery of the process which sees such shortlists drawn up before a competition has actually ended.


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Post by LondonTiger Fri May 13, 2016 8:25 am

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Post by George Carlin Fri May 13, 2016 10:38 am

Jesus, I love Lyon - what a great little city.
The food is absolutely amazing. 

Really wish that I was going to this.
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Post by LondonTiger Fri May 13, 2016 12:19 pm

Teams up. May be miscounting but looks like Sarries have 16 EQP players in their squad, half of whom came through their academy.

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Post by beshocked Fri May 13, 2016 4:28 pm

Hopefully Farrell Jr doesn't choke this time.

Jonny destroyed him in the HC final a couple of years ago. Struggled against Wasps in the semis.

Need a big performance from him, haven't had a good one since before the 6 nations, shame really as he was in great form before being shunted to 12 for England.

Saracens shouldn't focus on Carter as good as he is, most 10s need good clean ball. Will need to be sharp at the breakdown and lineout first and foremost.

It's the English forwards - Kruis,Itoje,Vunipola bros who I expect will be more influential.

Need to use the likes of Hodgson and George off the bench at the right time.

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Post by whocares Sat May 14, 2016 1:01 am

George Carlin wrote:Jesus, I love Lyon - what a great little city.
The food is absolutely amazing. 

Really wish that I was going to this.

Little city ?? Smile tis like calling Birmingham a "town" .

Great food though. Specially if you like frog legs Wink

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Post by doctor_grey Sat May 14, 2016 1:32 am

Rugby Fan wrote:I'd quite like someone who is not in the running for European Player of the Year to have an absolute stormer, dragging his team to the title single-handed, if only to make a mockery of the process which sees such shortlists drawn up before a competition has actually ended.
I agree.  I would prefer the same.  For Saracens, I would like to see either Wyles or Hamilton.  Even more poetic would be Charlie Hodgson in his penultimate match.
But, if not them then Ashton, just to annoy everyone.

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Post by yappysnap Sat May 14, 2016 8:02 am

Ashton and Farrell combining to win the game would be amazing.

Would quite like Mako to have a big game as he gets over shadowed by his brother a lot recently.

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 9:30 am

I just hope for good game free of the gamesmanship and niggle that has spoiled a few games this season.

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 1:08 pm

Should be a cracking game. I don't expect a ton of points. But that's the way with most of these big game.

I actually think Saracens could win this. Their eqp pack maro, mako, kruis, billy v and george could be the decided (he says hopefully)

Like watching racing too.

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Post by eirebilly Sat May 14, 2016 1:40 pm

I think Sarries will walk this if I may be honest. Their pack is much better than Racing's and I think they will starve Carter of good ball. Sarries by two scores.
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Post by Guest Sat May 14, 2016 2:09 pm

Hoping for a Racing win but can't really see it. The only reason we haven't been talking about how poor they were in the semi final is because Tigers were much worse. In truth Racing consistently gave away the ball under very little pressure and, opening try aside, didn't really threaten a defensive unit that has been poor all year.

Saracens won't (or at least shouldn't) give Racing anywhere near as much free possession so unless they improve significantly from the semi I expect Saracens to squeeze them for 60ish minutes before opening up.

Fortunately for R92 fans my predictions are wrong almost all of the time. Doh

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 2:43 pm

I have to say I don't want Sarries to win - the games I have seen them play ( I think it was them) have been too full of niggle and gamesmanship for my liking. Mind you I don't like the Racing approach of trying to buy success either

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Post by George Carlin Sat May 14, 2016 2:46 pm

WhoCares - you're a man of the world (and the Top14). 


What does the French press make of Racing's chances? Are they so blinded by the light from Carter's halo that they can only see one outcome? And more importantly, which side do you think will win?
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Post by Rugby Fan Sat May 14, 2016 3:50 pm

Watching the build up, I find Wilkinson continues to have some good insights.

It's harder to do it the longer you are retired (as Paul Ackford soon discovered, and Will Greenwood is finding now) but I never had Wilkinson down as someone who would be able to communicate his experiences as a player.

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Post by whocares Sat May 14, 2016 4:23 pm

George Carlin wrote:WhoCares - you're a man of the world (and the Top14). 


What does the French press make of Racing's chances? Are they so blinded by the light from Carter's halo that they can only see one outcome? And more importantly, which side do you think will win?

Common sense prevails and Saracens are slight favourite but as it has been in recent encounters it should be a tight game anyway. Some magic from Carter and a performance from Masoe could give Racing the edge.

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Post by Knackeredknees Sat May 14, 2016 4:37 pm

TJ wrote:I have to say I don't want Sarries to win - the games I have seen them play ( I think it was them) have been too full of niggle and gamesmanship for my liking.  Mind you I don't like the Racing approach of trying to buy success either
So you've seen some games with some niggle and gamesmanship, not 100% sure who it was, so you're going to blame sarries?

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Post by RDW Sat May 14, 2016 4:56 pm

Deliberate slap into touch? He flapped at it with one hand...

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat May 14, 2016 5:06 pm

Saracens against Racing, lots of rain, lots of errors... well, isn't this going to be a spectacle? Rolling Eyes

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Post by eirebilly Sat May 14, 2016 5:16 pm

Sarries scrum looks a lot better now that George is on.
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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 5:24 pm

Knackeredknees wrote:
TJ wrote:I have to say I don't want Sarries to win - the games I have seen them play ( I think it was them) have been too full of niggle and gamesmanship for my liking.  Mind you I don't like the Racing approach of trying to buy success either
So you've seen some games with some niggle and gamesmanship, not 100% sure who it was, so you're going to blame sarries?

I am pretty sure it was Sarries in an earlier round. Certainly I do not like the way sarries often play.

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 5:32 pm

Awful rain!

George pressing Hartley hard with the scrum impact he made since Brits went off.

Was always goiing to be a tight game. When the ball is so greasy, impacts are going to squirt it loose, especially between these big fellas lol

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 5:33 pm

Awful rain!

George pressing Hartley hard with the scrum impact he made since Brits went off.

Was always goiing to be a tight game. When the ball is so greasy, impacts are going to squirt it loose, especially between these big fellas lol

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 5:34 pm

Farrell and dulin impressing so far

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I'm going to play UC4, I mean it's an okay game and all but....

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 5:35 pm

TJ wrote:
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TJ wrote:I have to say I don't want Sarries to win - the games I have seen them play ( I think it was them) have been too full of niggle and gamesmanship for my liking.  Mind you I don't like the Racing approach of trying to buy success either
So you've seen some games with some niggle and gamesmanship, not 100% sure who it was, so you're going to blame sarries?

I am pretty sure it was Sarries in an earlier round.  Certainly I do not like the way sarries often play.

Having said that apart from having to be told off by Owens for trying to ref the game there has been nothing so far - so good for them.

Not the most exciting game ever - should be being played in Scotland - its a beautiful sunny day here Very Happy

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Post by eirebilly Sat May 14, 2016 5:36 pm

Not a great game so far but that has more to do with the conditions. Think Farrell has been very solid which is a good sign and Ashton's chasing of kicks has been excellent.
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Post by David-Douglas Sat May 14, 2016 5:40 pm

Shame about the weather.
Racing might regret playing Carter when he's clearly not fit.

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 5:43 pm

Love Scott quinnell

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Sat May 14, 2016 5:43 pm

Farrell doing well so far, couple of very good kick from hand which led to the first score, and slotted his kicks very well, including two tricky ones.

Not a great game, but the conditions are dictating that. As TJ says, should really be playing in Scotland, where it's been gloriously sunny all week Very Happy

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat May 14, 2016 5:52 pm

It seems Carter received a few cheap shots today, some quite subtle but others off the ball. Did anyone else notice this?

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 6:00 pm

I didn't see any. Nothing that was worthy of a pen anyway

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat May 14, 2016 6:03 pm

Farrell..

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Post by quinsforever Sat May 14, 2016 6:05 pm

That's a good tackle. Wrong decision. His hand is masoe elbow. Hard done by. Paying for previous...

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 6:11 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:It seems Carter received a few cheap shots today, some quite subtle but others off the ball. Did anyone else notice this?

One late hit that I saw and that was marginal. Nowt else

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 6:12 pm

quinsforever wrote:That's a good tackle. Wrong decision. His hand is masoe elbow. Hard done by. Paying for previous...

Eh? You could clearly see his arm around the neck. clear high tackle, accidental and not dangerous. Pen the correct decision

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Post by TJ Sat May 14, 2016 6:12 pm

Why is Farrell kicking attacking ball away all the time?

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Post by nathan Sat May 14, 2016 6:17 pm

Sarries game plan, keep the ball in their half

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Post by nathan Sat May 14, 2016 6:18 pm

Have to say, sarries really need to get a new 9

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Post by R!skysports Sat May 14, 2016 6:18 pm

Thank god for beer. Only reason to watch this. Such a dull game. But as expected I suppose

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Post by nathan Sat May 14, 2016 6:19 pm

Awful kick from goode

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