French Open Day 4 - Will Elgin lose his marbles, or is it grand Larsson-y? And how should we Treat Huey?

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He looks like Rafa did.. he is playing totally within himself.
Hoping his opponent will make mistakes. No confidence whatsoever

He's won plenty with that attitude. Today is an anomaly, not the rule. Something is just badly wrong

Which is ridiculous. He's the form player on tour! I can only presume he has put too much pressure on himself to do well.

Shouting isn't the problem in this match. He's not saying anything. The problem is the complete opposite. He looks completely passive, he NEEDS to let it out

Surely against an opponent as modest as this he will win, even if he were in a complete hole it wouldn't be that difficult would it?

temporary21 wrote:Shouting isn't the problem in this match. He's not saying anything. The problem is the complete opposite. He looks completely passive, he NEEDS to let it out

I'm not saying what he needs to do, what I'm saying is that the outbursts are a symptom of a problem.

Lack of focus, and concentration leading to a lack of self belief

Speculation on my part, but it could be a severe anxiety attack, in terms of negative thoughts spiralling out of control. Mardy Fish described it, in the match that caused him to retire - he actually won it - but outwardly it is very difficult to detect.

The good news is that they don't last indefinitely - there is still time for it to subside naturally and turn the match around - if that's what it is.

That would account for it, and not just today.

In the first round wild card M Bourgue beat J. Samper-Montana 7-5 7-6 7-6

J. Samper-Montana is ranked 216 and  M. Bourgue ranked at 164.   Samper-Montana (age 26) must have been a qualifier or another wild card.

But there's no outbursts going on. It's the opposite. So it's not possible to be the problem. It's lack of emotion that's a problem. This is just a continuation of what people were trying to do the last time he was in trouble

It's no coincidence that it's only cropped up again now he's losing. Cc called this bang on to be frank

It's lack of emotion that's hurt him here. He needs to get angry

If Murray loses it will be the biggest upset maybe ever: because Bourgue has never played on the ATP World Tour before and he had a 216 ranked opponent in the first round. Murray has to win.

The man isn't a mental midget. He plays well when he amps himself up. He's having a shocker of a tournament, and all of a sudden the anti murray brigade are suggesting he has a serious attitude problem...

Total utter b@llocks as usual

temporary21 wrote:It's lack of emotion that's hurt him here. He needs to get angry

I actually agree with this. In the Stepanek match it was when he got angry that he started playing better. Good hold there from 15-40 down with aggressive play, will that get him going?

Even if he does he is going to have to get his act together because on seeing this performance he wont be going much further Im sorry to say

temporary21 wrote:But there's no outbursts going on. It's the opposite. So it's not possible to be the problem. It's lack of emotion that's a problem. This is just a continuation of what people were trying to do the last time he was in trouble

It's no coincidence that it's only cropped up again now he's losing. Cc called this bang on to be frank

It could be accounted for by an anxiety attack though - if it is worse that the usual frustrations. It could (and almost certainly would) lead to it being more inward than outward.

Remember, I'm a Murray fan, so not coming at it with a view to bash Murray.

And I don't care who you are - Fish, Murray, joe blogs, whoever - it can happen to anyone.

Just a nightmare match really

But temp this is what happened with Nadal.. he was having match after match like this.I am seriously of the belief that Murray at this point in his career that Rafa .. his concentration and focus has gone to pot. Its painful to watch

temporary21 wrote:The man isn't a mental midget. He plays well when he amps himself up. He's having a shocker of a tournament, and all of a sudden the anti murray brigade are suggesting he has a serious attitude problem...

Total utter b@llocks as usual

Oh ok, so no mental problems but he plays well when he amps himself up.

You see what I did there?

Haddie-nuff wrote:But temp this is what happened with Nadal.. he was having match after match like this.I  am seriously of the belief that Murray at this point in his career that Rafa .. his concentration and focus has gone to pot. Its painful to watch

No, he was beating Djokovic and Nadal only the other week. He looked in the clay form of his life.

Borque is playing above his ranking of 164 but not by much. He has gained confidence from Murray's nose dive and playing in front of a home crowd. But Murray will win this - he is too good and is too resilient.

Need more than 2 bad matches to assess that Haddie. Unless you've been hating on him for years and years

But that's how it happens.. OMG don't you remember Rafa's match against Dustin Brown.. what a nightmare !!

Prediction: Murray in 5


This guy can't keep this up, he's never done a thing and will crack up.

Haddie-nuff wrote:But that's how it happens.. OMG don't you remember Rafa's match against Dustin Brown.. what a nightmare !!

There is a slight difference; Dustin can actually play and had beaten Rafa on grass before.

Ah BB is back during another Murray crisis like flies around a pile of cow dung.

And by the way you know what you were criticized for and it is not what you said.

I am kind of like temp here. If this is the only level he can produce here I'd sooner his run ended here. I suppose though there are those crucial ranking points to defend.

temporary21 wrote:Need more than 2 bad matches to assess that Haddie. Unless you've been hating on him for years and years

what the frigging hell do you mean by that !!!!???? jeeze Ive got every sympathy with BB after that snidey little remark.........what a nasty thing to say ..

Ah BB is back during another Murray crisis like flies around a pile of cow dung.

And by the way you know what you were criticized for and it is not what you said.

I am kind of like temp here. If this is the only level he can produce here I'd sooner his run ended here. I suppose though there are those crucial ranking points to defend.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Ah BB is back during another Murray crisis like flies around a pile of cow dung.

And by the way you know what you were criticized for and it is not what you said.

I am kind of like temp here. If this is the only level he can produce here I'd sooner his run ended here. I suppose though there are those crucial ranking points to defend.

That's harsh, but I guess in the spirit of things I should be content to be called a fly if you're the dung.

Not saying it of course, just think it's big of you to be that self-effacing.

It's not worth hanging around here when murrays losing. The amount of distespect winds people up too much. It's no wonder Lk left he had the right idea I think...

Given the jahu abuse I got and my last friend here leaving there's no joy being here whatsoever.

I hope this thread is not going to blow up - in my opinion both BB & HN comments are mild --> it is the reaction that I have found disconcerting. As far as I can tell BB was a strong supporter of Murray and still prefers Murray to win.

To be fair to Bourgue, he's played an excellent set of tennis there, that was a superb game to close it out.

temporary21 wrote:It's not worth hanging around here when murrays losing. The amount of distespect winds people up too much. It's no wonder Lk left he had the right idea I think...

No when you make unjustified nasty comments to posters for ..no reason and arnt man enough to apologise for them perhaps you did.. moderate ???all you do is stir it

Nore Staat wrote:I hope this thread is not going to blow up - in my opinion both BB & HN comments are mild --> it is the reaction that I have found disconcerting.  As far as I can tell BB was a strong supporter of Murray and still prefers Murray to win.

A "net" supporter is how I'd describe myself; overall positive but with reservations about the behaviour and the patriotic baggage.

But thank you, even a thick skinned type like me can get a bit tired of being misrepresented.

Really? I've seen the stuff you say to jhm and lf... There's just way too much of that

I prefer not to lose any posters.  Storm in a tea-cup.  Please just lets give Bourque the plaudits for playing a good game and forgive those that can't quite believe the situation Murray has found himself in.

bogbrush wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Ah BB is back during another Murray crisis like flies around a pile of cow dung.

And by the way you know what you were criticized for and it is not what you said.

I am kind of like temp here. If this is the only level he can produce here I'd sooner his run ended here. I suppose though there are those crucial ranking points to defend.

That's harsh, but I guess in the spirit of things I should be content to be called a fly if you're the dung.

Not saying it of course, just think it's big of you to be that self-effacing.

Two posts on the French Open both on Murray match - coincidence? Not for such a regular poster.

Two incidents you moan about fist pumps and 'Come ons' and both about Murray when every player in the world does it . Coincidence? I think not.

I've only been able to watch the last few games - but it is obvious there is something seriously wrong with Murray.

I mean , the young Frenchman is playing really well , credit to him ; but I've never seen Murray looking so listless ... he was almost static at the baseline during that last game.

Take a miracle for him to rescue this now...

temporary21 wrote:Really? I've seen the stuff you say to jhm and lf... There's just way too much of that

Really?

I doubt it!

I never talk to jhm and lf about Andy Murray.

Just called an engineer to come out and sort my computer

It keeps showing all the wrong scores. Right now it's saying that a totally unknown French guy is two sets up against double-slam winner Andy Murray ......

This place is supposed to be welcoming. One bad match from murray and peoples true colours start showing again. I've taken enough cr@p and I've had enough. Not one person left here I enjoy talking to...

lags72 wrote:Just called an engineer to come out and sort my computer

It keeps showing all the wrong scores. Right now it's saying that a totally unknown French guy is two sets up against double-slam winner Andy Murray ......

Nice one lags

You lot are mental. 

Can't believe you are all getting so wound up by a loss. People lose. 

Tyson lost to buster Douglas. 
Leicester won the league. 
Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon! 

Weird results happen. 

Just be nice to each other and get over it.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Ah BB is back during another Murray crisis like flies around a pile of cow dung.

And by the way you know what you were criticized for and it is not what you said.

I am kind of like temp here. If this is the only level he can produce here I'd sooner his run ended here. I suppose though there are those crucial ranking points to defend.

That's harsh, but I guess in the spirit of things I should be content to be called a fly if you're the dung.

Not saying it of course, just think it's big of you to be that self-effacing.

Two posts on the French Open both on Murray match - coincidence? Not for such a regular poster.

Two incidents you moan about fist pumps and 'Come ons' and both about Murray when every player in the world does it . Coincidence? I think not.

Two matches where a top player is producing a potential shock - coincidence? I think not!

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you..... but usually it's a good indicator.

And if it helps to be clear about it.... I am siding with Murray for this tournament with Fed out. That's a fact.

I just want to know where you came up with the idea I HATEMurray
Your feelings are just too close to the surface temp
I ask you to call on CC if he thinks Ive ever shown I hate Murray I do not HATE any player
I may not be Andy's biggest fan.. but certainly do not want to see him go out of the tournament to an unknown

Travelling on business on Europe...just looked at live RG scores and.....WTF!!!!!!!!

In sorry to you all. It shouldn't be so uncomfortable around here when your favoured player loses, but it always is, it's very hard to not the. Get upset