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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 8:40 pm

First topic message reminder :

So who you picking? Just tuned in to see Edwards way out his depth stopped in 10. Now for Callum Smith...don't know much about his opponent so expecting an early bash out here with body shots.

Hall vs Haskins should be a great scrap....then the debated Good fight/ Overmatched fight....

Discuss....and enjoy...

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:29 pm

I thought the writing was on the wall but an odd decision

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Post by Baby faced assassin on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:30 pm

Erm very anticlimactic

Think Brook was really struggling and taking punishment, but he was up and wasn't exactly out of it

But yea GGG was grinding him down and brook looked to have shot his load
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Post by AdamT on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:31 pm

Amir and Brook need to stop being D1ck heads and fight.

Glad I never paid for that. Was more predictable Than X factor.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:32 pm

Brook has done his stock well tonight.

Still thought it a little odd to throw the towel in but I can understand. GGG can break men. Better to get brook out still thinking he could have won than let him be dismantled

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Post by milkyboy on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:32 pm

Anti- climax is right. He never lost his head, but he just stopped throwing back... Took plenty of shots to head and body and took them.  He seemed distracted by the eye.

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Post by skiddy on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:32 pm

Sky should give a refund to customers. At least I didn't pay for this Eddie Hearn scam job.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:34 pm

What was an odd decision? Ref didn't stop it people...corner through in towel...they know a fighter better than most. Save brook for another day. Plenty of huge fights at Welterweight and even Light Middleweight if he believes he is too big for 147 now...

GGG looked out of sorts...but i think after the 2nd he knew he didn't need to box much...just push forward and close down the ring and he would catch up to Brook eventually. The 3rd and 4th round showed just how great he is at closing distance..and for all sky's commentary...Brook caught him on the gloves almost the entirety of the last two rounds.

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Post by Ent on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:35 pm

Don't post on boxing forum much but watching this and can't help but think instead of these two farces over the last 6 months we could have had Khan vs brook and Canelo vs ggg....

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Post by AdamT on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:35 pm

Ppv should be for fights that the underdog has a chance of winning.

Brook did his best and was brave. He never had a prayer.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:36 pm

Watched it on HBO Hopkins and kellerman are dismayed at the finish feel its an anti climax and Hopkins is going on about going out on your shield

Brook was gone if you looked at his legs he was crossing them when going back big no no for a boxer and clear sign your hurt or fatigued.

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Post by AdamT on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:37 pm

Ent you don't post much, but nail in head there.

Two great fights that should of happened. Hopefully still can.

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Post by catchweight on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:37 pm

Clever move to throw in the towel. Saves Brook from a pasting and allows him to leave with his reputation enhanced.

Brook did very well but his best just could not discourage GGG.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:39 pm

Very odd stoppage, first sign of any danger and the towel was in which suggests the corner are thinking more about the long term.

A few things.

1. Ward destroys Golovkin every day of the week, the added weight and greater skill would make for a very one sided fight, i'm not his biggest fan but this fight showcased that he's a flat track bully.

2. Khan better steer clear of Brook, he can stand up to GGG's punches then he'll walk through his pitter patter punches.

3. Very odd stoppage, first sign of any danger and the towel was in which suggests the corner are thinking more about the long term.

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Post by Fernando on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:40 pm

Brook: "When you're seeing three or four of him, it's hard to carry on. I'm devastated. I think he broke my eye"

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:40 pm

Brook faces another pasting if he fights mandatory number 1 Spence Jr

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:41 pm

GGG's defence was poor tonight....168 would be interesting.

But he got the job done with some to spare...

Top middleweight by a mile.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:42 pm

Brook has options at least

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:43 pm

Ahead on the scorecards...well at least we were saved the embarrassment of a dodgy scorecard. I gave Brook the 2nd round...that was it...Round 3 he was pushed continuously...Round 4 caught square time and again and 5 he was doing nothing but getting hit.

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Post by catchweight on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:44 pm

Looks like they are going to try and sell this like Brook was winning the fight and on his way to victory when really he was getting worn down and on his way to a battering.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:44 pm

Brook has done his stock well tonight.

Still thought it a little odd to throw the towel in but I can understand. GGG can break men. Better to get brook out still thinking he could have won than let him be dismantled

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Post by AdamT on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:45 pm

He is the top guy at mw, but he ain't p4p.

I think he knows a climb to 168 would be tough. He doesn't look huge, so I'm not sure he would dominate 168.

Also agree with Hammer, he wouldn't beat Ward.


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Post by Guest on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:46 pm

catchweight wrote:Looks like they are going to try and sell this like Brook was winning the fight and on his way to victory when really he was getting worn down and on his way to a battering.

They already are on 5Live. By they I mean David Haye and Steve Dunce.

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Post by melv500 on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:46 pm

Brook looked on survival mode. On reflection a sensible stoppage not worth carrying on. Eye injury or not GGG looked too big, the size difference liked noticable at the start.

Brook ahead on the cards??? No way but he gave a good account if himself.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:48 pm

HBO don't care much for the decision think the corner cheated Brook I think team Brook including Brook had no intention of going to war with GGG over the distance get through the first few rounds and first sign of danger jump ship you made your money

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Post by dangerous_mouse on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:48 pm

It's obvious now not so much before but that was blatantly team Brooks game plan from day one - Challenge an extremely dangerous boxer at an absurd 2 weights above, If the inevitable happens we'll throw in towel before you get splattered, if you some how manage to do well, Brilliant, we just done the unthinkable and adds to "legacy". Not sure Brook knew about it tho.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:48 pm

Regards GGG looking sloppy tonight...watched the man for the vast majority of his pro career...and he can change it up and box (no andre ward of course) but he has ability to stay behind jab and box to a plan. Thing is...he likes to put on a show/stop his opponents and when he senses he can't be hurt he is happy to go hunting and push the fight regardless of taking some shots. That's exactly what happened tonight. Wasn't a polished performance...nor did his boxing set the world alight...however..his ability to close the distance...his sheer work rate and his brutal shots will be difficult for anyone...that includes Ward.

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Post by catchweight on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:49 pm

Brook would have won if Golovkin hadnt busted his eye, his nose, his ribs etc

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Post by catchweight on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:52 pm

Golovkin looked same as always to me. He has always been hittable, and Brook was very sharp and quick. Able to land on him, but ultimately not able to hang with him.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:54 pm

I think Brook would have been in on the plan.

Brook will get nothing but praise and can build a fight with Spence Jr even more or Khan. On the plus side no career ending beating or ko

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Post by Atila on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:54 pm

catchweight wrote:Looks like they are going to try and sell this like Brook was winning the fight and on his way to victory when really he was getting worn down and on his way to a battering.
Like Hatton when he fought Pacquiao. He was ahead by a mile before being stopped.

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Post by Atila on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:56 pm

AdamT wrote:Amir and Brook need to stop being D1ck heads and fight.

Glad I never paid for that. Was more predictable Than X factor.
A couple of wins for Khan and Brook and this fight will happen next year.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:56 pm

Very disappointed by that stoppage

Paid to see a fight

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:57 pm

Khan v Brook needs to happen next because Brook won't beat Spence

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:58 pm

Disappointed with the ending, was hoping GGG really cleaned Brook's clock. But anyway Brook's damaged face with be a soft target if he fights Spence Jr

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Post by Guest on Sat 10 Sep 2016, 11:59 pm

Khan - being Khan - will probably claim some kinda victory for lasting longer in his step up.

I'd imagine Brook would go into that one as a big favourite now?

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:02 am

Brook has 10 days to decide whether he's going back to welterweight and face a drubbing from Spence

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:04 am

Some pretty harsh comments here. For all I thought it was a mismatch when it was signed, brook had a real go. I think they were definitely right to pull him out, he threw nothing in that last round, took a lot of shots... And to be fair took them really well. But he was blinking and protecting that eye the whole time.  Not sure we can say the result was inevitable without the injury from what we actually witnessed. We don't know how badly he was effected by the eye injury...  or whether it gave him a convenient way out. Likely, the same result but not inevitable he just golds like a pack of cards.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:08 am

GGG has always been open but able to tighten up when serious.

Personally, I thought brook still answered more questions than many. He was just outgunned by a man who has blown away durable MWs in shorter time.

It does answer the question why GGG doesn't move up though. There are SMWs with hand speed, power, greater reach etc.

I've always maintained GGG, a beast at MW, is small and a move up with find him wanting. A small SMW with decent but not amazing power.

As good as he is, he's a MW and I'm thinking even groves might have a chance against him. His power wouldn't be exceptional at SMW.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:08 am

GGG has always been open but able to tighten up when serious.

Personally, I thought brook still answered more questions than many. He was just outgunned by a man who has blown away durable MWs in shorter time.

It does answer the question why GGG doesn't move up though. There are SMWs with hand speed, power, greater reach etc.

I've always maintained GGG, a beast at MW, is small and a move up with find him wanting. A small SMW with decent but not amazing power.

As good as he is, he's a MW and I'm thinking even groves might have a chance against him. His power wouldn't be exceptional at SMW.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:09 am

For all the discussion of the mismatches, the weight and nobody giving Brook a hope - the betting odds are usually the most accurate reflection of opinion. I cant recall a Golovokin opponent being given as good a shot at the bookies in the last 5 years as Brook was (albeit still a long shot).

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:23 am

... Generally true, and haven't followed the betting, but were the odds  maybe a bit skewed in this case by casual sky viewers with wallets larger than their boxing knowledge?

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Post by Guest on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:27 am

The fight was stopped because Brook's eye was busted so would have become an easy target.  If Brook's eye is permanently damaged then that will be his last fight.  Let's hope he can fully recover from this.  Brook seemed to be able to take a lot of punishment without keeling over so his cornermen also saved Brook's brain from a mashing.

Well it seems that Brook has rather come out a sort of winner.  It was only his bones that were failing him, but he did much better than predicted.  If he was able to fight a long range battle (despite have a 1 inch shorter reach) then he might have lasted a lot longer.  GGG trainer said Brook caused GGG problems although he had no doubt GGG would have eventually knocked him into next week.  He says they have new stuff to work on - seems like Brook was the fastest opponent they have faced so far, causing GGG to lunge a little and get out of shape.

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Post by B.A. BARACUS on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:45 am

I think some of the comments on here are doing Brook a bit of a disservice.

Brook was doing a lot better than most predicted until the eye injury and was clearly frustrating GGG with his movement and range of shots.

After the injury Brook looked visibly uncomfortable and was constantly pawing at it with his glove.

When the towel came in, the first thing his trainer did was motion towards his eye to illustrate the reason for pulling his fighter out.

The truth will come out over the next few days but if Brook says his eye socket was damaged, i am inclined to believe him as he strikes me as the kind of fighter who is more than prepared to dig in when the going gets tough.

Think Khan would get destroyed should him and Kell ever get it on

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 12:49 am

Possibly they may have been skewed slightly. Brook opened up around the 5/1 mark. His odds actually shortened slightly after the weigh to around the 4/1 or 9/2 mark, concensus being he looked great at the weigh in and Golovkin didnt. Even accounting for some misguided betting that is still pretty good going for a Golovkin opponent. Lemieux for example was a whopping between 9/1 and 12/1 to win.

I put the majority of it down to the belief that Brook was genuinely the most skilled boxer Golovkin had faced, the gap in weight classes was not bonafide reflected in the real weight difference the pair and the belief Brook could make a good fist of bridging existing weight gap.

I think Brook did well, and even signing up for the fights took guts. I thought Golovkin was Golovkin. His style will give opponents chances to hit him. its virtually impossible to come forward relentlessly maintaining the footwork to throw hard punches and not leave oneself open to being hit. But opponents just cant sustain it for more than a handful of rounds or small bursts. And they are made pay doubly for it.

The stoppage was smart and well timed, but I am cynical of it being presented like Brook was onto a winner when he essentially was minutes if not seconds away from succumbing to the pressure like all the rest of them.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:05 am

Would agree with most of that catchy... I just think it's hard to tell how much the eye impeded him.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:14 am

GGG was funny....."Yesss brook is not middleweight....this was like training for me....he is not strong...he is good fighter but he not middleweight"

Summed up perfectly with "I think I'll be better at 154lbs" - Brook

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Post by Happytravelling on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:31 am

Personally, I thought brook acquitted himself well.

The eye issue is a bit odd. There's no doubt he was pawing himself for quite a few rounds but he was game and it was his corner who pulled him out, just as he was on the ropes goading GGG. So, no evidence it was brook, himself, that lacked heart.

His corner simple saw the writing on the wall and better to pull him out than watch him get ground down and destroyed.

Brook comes out of this having given GGG more problems than most. In his mind, not losing and with full pockets.

He's got a bright future. Those saying Spence will wipe the floor with him missed GGG not having it all his own way.

Brook can look forward to some good pay days

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:46 am

Hopefully the eye socket is not too badly damaged and he can kick on from the Jo Jo Dan days and make a habit of big fights. His reputation should have been enhanced by the whole GGG episode both in willingness to take the fight and the performance. The yanks are notorious for not liking to see perceived quitting or towells coming in from the corner so I hope they there isnt a backlash over that from their guys. Id be surprised if Brook ever goes to welter again, I just hope this paves the way now for some proper opponents and not another title grab and mandatory run. A fight with Alvarez at caneloweight or Cotto at 154 looks tasty.

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Post by quentins_monkey on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 1:53 am

Personally think it was a good display from brook with the inevitable result. He had GGG frustrated and showed that he wasn't intimidated by the task in front of him, unlike a lot of GGG's recent opponents, who like back in the days of Tyson had lost the fight before a shot was thrown.

Quite clear that Brook shouldn't return to welter and should be operating at LMW. Would put him above most of the opposition at the weight and would fancy Brook v Canelo to be a pickem. Khan would be best served chasing a rematch with Garcia because can't see any way he beats Brook.

Also from Golovkins point of view he needs to make sure his next fight is a unification or look to move up. Think tonight showed that although he is an incredible fighter, he's not unbeatable.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 11 Sep 2016, 2:09 am

I think it takes a heck of a fighter to beat Golovkin or else a big weight disparity. It requires a boxer possess a combination of so many strong skills and attributes. Mentally strong, great chin, great conditioning, tactical awareness, sharp punching, good movement, respectable power etc Without possessing most if not all of these its seems inneviteable over 12 rounds, the pressure will just overwhelm. At the moment I think GGG would need to get to 175lbs to meet his match. Although I think Callum Smith has a style quite similar to Golovkin and looks like a cruiserweight. Bloody enormous.

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