NZ v Ireland, Chicago, 4 November 2016

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IRELAND v NEW ZEALAND
5 November 2016
15:00 CDT / 20:00 GMT
Soldier Field, Chicago, USA

Live on eir Sport and BT Sport

Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Assistant Referees: Luke Pearce (England), Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)

A. Head to Head

28 Played 28
0 Won 27
1 Drawn 1
27 Lost 0
310 Points 812

B. Recent Form

24 November 2013
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
22 – 24 to New Zealand

23 June 2012
Waikato Stadium, Hamilton
60 – 0 to New Zealand

16 June 2012
Rugby League Park, Christchurch
22 – 19 to New Zealand

9 June 2012
Eden Park, Auckland
42 – 10 to New Zealand

20 November 2010
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
18 – 38 to New Zealand

C. Teams


NEW ZEALAND 

1. Joe Moody
2. Dane Coles
3. Owen Franks
4. Patrick Tuipulotu
5. Jerome Kaino
6. Liam Squire
7. Sam Cane
8. Kieran Read – captain
9. Aaron Smith
10. Beauden Barrett
11. Julian Savea
12. Ryan Crotty
13. George Moala
14. Waisake Naholo
15. Ben Smith

16. Codie Taylor
17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi
18. Charlie Faumuina
19. Scott Barrett
20. Ardie Savea
21. TJ Perenara
22. Aaron Cruden
23. Malakai Fekitoa


IRELAND

1 McGrath
2 Best
3 Furlong
4 Ryan
5 Toner
6 Stander
7 Murphy
8 Heaslip
9 Murray
10 Sexton
11 Zebo
12 Henshaw
13 Payne
14 Trimble
15 Kearney
16 Cronin
17 Healy
18 Bealham
19 Dillane
20 van der Flier
21 Marmion
22 Carbery
23 Ringrose

I'm disappointed that I missed out on calling the result by one point. Wished I had made that bet now

stevetynant wrote:Second time this year isn't it given the u20s at the World Cup. First win away in s Africa as well saint joe must never be allowed back to his homeland

And the women beat the Black Ferns in 2014

Conor Murray, man of the match?

I always knew we would beat them some day. Soooooooooooooo happy.

Did Ireland get at the NZ lineout or was it purely mistakes?

NZ have never really had to rely on their lineout to be dominant (like, say, SA used to) but it was very flaky tonight. Lots of throws to the back that went to no-one. Ireland mopped them up really well.

It really showed with NZ missing their first choice locks.

Leadership in general seemed a bit lacking for NZ. Read was whinging a lot.

All credit to Ireland to cause all this.

Well done Ireland!!!!!!!

Great performance and great win. Honestly, went it went to 4 points with about 15 or 20 min to go I was fearing the worst but they showed some mental strength to regroup and come back again.


I can't single out any players but what a night for Joey Carbery. Makes his debut and gets a win against the ABs.

Wow,what a game.We let in a score on the first N.Z. attack ,then we let what should have been an insurmountable lead get back to only 4 points but we just kept going,that's seriously impressive.What a game,what a win.Also how good is the N.Z. attack,I thought our defense was exceptional today yet they still got 4 tries,just something else.

Cyril wrote:Did Ireland get at the NZ lineout or was it purely mistakes?

NZ have never really had to rely on their lineout to be dominant (like, say, SA used to) but it was very flaky tonight. Lots of throws to the back that went to no-one. Ireland mopped them up really well.

It really showed with NZ missing their first choice locks.

Leadership in general seemed a bit lacking for NZ. Read was whinging a lot.

All credit to Ireland to cause all this.

NZ got away with quite a bit as well, dont think the ref was great and was in poor positions a lot. You think after his horror leg break he would pick his positions better

But they went in from the side a few times right in front of him, Stander was clotheslined off the ball again in front of him, the maul being pulled down before the Zebo try which should have been a penalty try and yellow and Moodys high tackle was after he gave a warning for constant infringements

Is the Aviva stadium soundly constructed? I't may collapse under the weight of Irish pride if the All Blacks get thumped again.

marty2086 wrote:

Cyril wrote:Did Ireland get at the NZ lineout or was it purely mistakes?

NZ have never really had to rely on their lineout to be dominant (like, say, SA used to) but it was very flaky tonight. Lots of throws to the back that went to no-one. Ireland mopped them up really well.

It really showed with NZ missing their first choice locks.

Leadership in general seemed a bit lacking for NZ. Read was whinging a lot.

All credit to Ireland to cause all this.

NZ got away with quite a bit as well, dont think the ref was great and was in poor positions a lot. You think after his horror leg break he would pick his positions better

But they went in from the side a few times right in front of him, Stander was clotheslined off the ball again in front of him, the maul being pulled down before the Zebo try which should have been a penalty try and yellow and Moodys high tackle was after he gave a warning for constant infringements

No arguments about that at all. Ireland really got at them and caused more NZ errors than any other side have in a long time.

I was asking specifically about the lineouts though...

marty2086 wrote:

Cyril wrote:Did Ireland get at the NZ lineout or was it purely mistakes?

NZ have never really had to rely on their lineout to be dominant (like, say, SA used to) but it was very flaky tonight. Lots of throws to the back that went to no-one. Ireland mopped them up really well.

It really showed with NZ missing their first choice locks.

Leadership in general seemed a bit lacking for NZ. Read was whinging a lot.

All credit to Ireland to cause all this.

NZ got away with quite a bit as well, dont think the ref was great and was in poor positions a lot. You think after his horror leg break he would pick his positions better

But they went in from the side a few times right in front of him, Stander was clotheslined off the ball again in front of him, the maul being pulled down before the Zebo try which should have been a penalty try and yellow and Moodys high tackle was after he gave a warning for constant infringements

In fairness he missed a few of our boys going off our feet at the breakdown. Not great but missed quite a bit from both sides.

But who cares about the ref 40 to 29. All that matters

Does this count as an away win for ireland?

profitius wrote:I can't single out any players but what a night for Joey Carbery. Makes his debut and gets a win against the ABs.

Took Rory Best 98 caps to get a win over the All Blacks, and Joey Carberry comes in and gets it first time

carpet baboon wrote:Does this count as an away win for ireland?

I assume it's a neutral ground win. They gain 2 points in rankings and NZ lose 2 (I think).

I really expected this one would be lost the centre combination which was
working well.Dagg as second full back covering rested the Pack really
underpowered. To expect to get away with a 6 at lock and a rookie to
was too much.
2006/7 all over again sadly hopefully they will bounce back in Dublin

emack2 wrote:I really expected this one would be lost the centre combination which was
working well.Dagg as second full back covering rested the Pack really
underpowered. To expect to get away with a 6 at lock and a rookie to
was too much.
2006/7 all over again sadly hopefully they will bounce back in Dublin

Will you be supporting England against SA, emack?

Cyril wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:Does this count as an away win for ireland?

I assume it's a neutral ground win. They gain 2 points in rankings and NZ lose 2 (I think).

Is that really all?

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:Does this count as an away win for ireland?

I assume it's a neutral ground win. They gain 2 points in rankings and NZ lose 2 (I think).

Is that really all?

If this thread is right:

https://www.606v2.com/t37299p700-world-rugby-rankings#3461399

I know! I wanted NZ to lose more too!

I think NZ should have got a red card but glad they didnt cause its sweeter to win the way we did.

Notch wrote:

Gwlad wrote:NZ Herald….not a word about the irish performance. Pretty poor show really.

Bring on the clowns….there have to be clowns…where are the clowns?

It's only been half an hour or something

I think you'll see that the herald published multiple articles. One of which specifically highlights and acknowledges Irelands effort, along with the one you're talking about the impact of injuries selections. It's hardly surprising. Win or lose it was an article that could be largely written (or last sketched out) prior to the match. We lack depth in a number of positions. How we go on from here will be interesting.

Lads. For my money that is the greatest performance in Irish team sports history. Absolutely monumental performance to a man, and for me banishes the ghost of that 2013 game which has been hanging over any game we would have with the All Blacks. The mental resilience to weather the storm of NZ pressure in the second half, retake the initiative, and see that game out was nothing short of heroic. A couple of things before I go back to the pints:

- The tribute to Alex Foley was absolute class.
- Robbie Henshaw was an abrasive monster in defence, and a bull in attack.
- Joey Carberry showed incredible composure to come into that inferno and perform, particularly with his 1st touchfinder.
- I was absolutely wrong to question Rob Kearney's inclusion, he was brilliant. I hope it is a return to form for him.
- Conor Murray is the Lion's starting scrum-half, bar none.
- I have never seen the All Black's pack outplayed and out-muscled like that before.
- Joe Schmidt has probably secured a future NZ coach role for himself with that game. Hopefully not too soon.
- I'm on holiday in New Zealand in two weeks time, can't wait. Expect a backlash on the return leg in Dublin.

Pot Hale wrote:Given Soldier Field is quite narrow and there's a wide concourse around the pitch, kicks should be aimed well enough so that throw-ins can't be taken quickly.    The New Zealand lineout should be tested early on to see how well they cope, and to see if their throw can be put under pressure.

Attacking out wide will likely bear little fruit, but in around the breakdown with quick hands and hard carries should pay some dividends and make distance.   Argentina did this quite successfully in their test.  Power plays against NZ in this area were quite effective for us before.

A patient controlling game that does not tire out players is what's needed to combat the forced pace from New Zealand.  I'd also think that replacements should be delayed by a few minutes longer so that the young, pacy bench can withstand the greater temp of the 55-75 high-scoring period.   And that Ireland can attack themselves.  

Could be an interesting match to see how respective tactics work out.

I've gone for a 1-5 point win for Ireland.

Dammit! Everything going as planned and then bloody Henshaw had to score.

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:

Notch wrote:

Gwlad wrote:NZ Herald….not a word about the irish performance. Pretty poor show really.

Bring on the clowns….there have to be clowns…where are the clowns?

It's only been half an hour or something

I think you'll see that the herald published multiple articles. One of which specifically highlights and acknowledges Irelands effort, along with the one you're talking about the impact of injuries selections. It's hardly surprising. Win or lose it was an article that could be largely written (or last sketched out) prior to the match. We lack depth in a number of positions. How we go on from here will be interesting.

The NZ Herald is a rag. It doesn't represent NZ. Neither do the NZ 'fans' who accosted Aus fans during the recent Rugby Championship (according to Bob Dwyer et al).

Cyril wrote:

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:

Notch wrote:

Gwlad wrote:NZ Herald….not a word about the irish performance. Pretty poor show really.

Bring on the clowns….there have to be clowns…where are the clowns?

It's only been half an hour or something

I think you'll see that the herald published multiple articles. One of which specifically highlights and acknowledges Irelands effort, along with the one you're talking about the impact of injuries selections. It's hardly surprising. Win or lose it was an article that could be largely written (or last sketched out) prior to the match. We lack depth in a number of positions. How we go on from here will be interesting.

The NZ Herald is a rag. It doesn't represent NZ. Neither do the NZ 'fans' who accosted Aus fans during the recent Rugby Championship (according to Bob Dwyer et al).

All papers that write on rugby are rags. Not sure the herald is worse than any other. Especially given their lead rugby writer (Gregor Paul) is British. Not sure what NZ fans have to do with this. Apparently Kiwi's at the match were good. Haven't heard from anyone complaining yet. Everyone I've talked to thinks the win is well deserved.

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:

Notch wrote:

Gwlad wrote:NZ Herald….not a word about the irish performance. Pretty poor show really.

Bring on the clowns….there have to be clowns…where are the clowns?

It's only been half an hour or something

I think you'll see that the herald published multiple articles. One of which specifically highlights and acknowledges Irelands effort, along with the one you're talking about the impact of injuries selections. It's hardly surprising. Win or lose it was an article that could be largely written (or last sketched out) prior to the match. We lack depth in a number of positions. How we go on from here will be interesting.

The NZ Herald is a rag. It doesn't represent NZ. Neither do the NZ 'fans' who accosted Aus fans during the recent Rugby Championship (according to Bob Dwyer et al).

All papers that write on rugby are rags. Not sure the herald is worse than any other. Especially given their lead rugby writer (Gregor Paul) is British. Not sure what NZ fans have to do with this. Apparently Kiwi's at the match were good. Haven't heard from anyone complaining yet. Everyone I've talked to thinks the win is well deserved.

Indeed. It appears NZ fans were well-behaved at this game ghosty. Long may in continue.

People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

Steve Hansen has, praised Ireland and said the ABs trained well and prepared well and Ireland were the better team

Gwlad wrote:Is the Aviva stadium soundly constructed? I't may collapse under the weight of Irish pride if the All Blacks get thumped again.

I think it as made during the construction boom, so I'd wager not! Sure I heard the skirting boards have been coming loose already. Cowboys they were

marty2086 wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

Steve Hansen has, praised Ireland and said the ABs trained well and prepared well and Ireland were the better team

Yep, good for them Unfortunately you can't do anything about the press or the more 'full on' fans.

carpet baboon wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Cyril wrote:Did Ireland get at the NZ lineout or was it purely mistakes?

NZ have never really had to rely on their lineout to be dominant (like, say, SA used to) but it was very flaky tonight. Lots of throws to the back that went to no-one. Ireland mopped them up really well.

It really showed with NZ missing their first choice locks.

Leadership in general seemed a bit lacking for NZ. Read was whinging a lot.

All credit to Ireland to cause all this.

NZ got away with quite a bit as well, dont think the ref was great and was in poor positions a lot. You think after his horror leg break he would pick his positions better

But they went in from the side a few times right in front of him, Stander was clotheslined off the ball again in front of him, the maul being pulled down before the Zebo try which should have been a penalty try and yellow and Moodys high tackle was after he gave a warning for constant infringements

In fairness he missed a few of our boys going off our feet at the breakdown. Not great but missed quite a bit from both sides.

But who cares about the ref 40 to 29. All that matters

I agree it evened out with the end for decisions, NZ were did have worse discipline on this occasion. One thing I think the referee made a bad call on was the second NZ try, where they were looking if Smith's knee was in touch. The way he was angled and how closely the tackler was to the ground, if his knee was barely out of touch, his leg below the knee absolutely was, and because there wasn't a better angle he gave the try. But all's well that ends well!

The ref definitely favoured Ireland but that was what this day was about. It was all about an Ireland win. If NZ won US rugby would have gained nothing.

Well done Ireland!













Just kidding. Well done you crazy Irish bastards!

For once NZ have nowt to complain about regarding refereeing.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

What are you on about? I'm over in NZ and every article is about how good Ireland were. There's not a single mention of sickness.

Enjoy what is a great moment without making up WUMMing b*llocks

Ireland played one of the best halves of rugby I've seen in a while from anyone. Even though they were scoring tries it was their defense that really sticks out for me. Connor Murray was easily MoM.

Would be a great night to be in Chicago!

THAT Zebo catch

Chicago is wild. Everyone is in great spirits. Even the all blacks supporters to be fair. People saying with the Cubs win it's all about the 100 year curses ending. Mayo to win next

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

What are you on about? I'm over in NZ and every article is about how good Ireland were. There's not a single mention of sickness.

Enjoy what is a great moment without making up WUMMing b*llocks

Maybe the ref had food poisoning this time?

Just stayed up to re watch the game. We didnt just win we hammered them all over the park. However despite that they still scored 29 points. Replay in a couple of weeks is going to be tasty. Please Joe try to teach Rob Kearney how to tackle...

Tremendous resolve & result for Ireland.
Very jealous of the team & all their supporters.

Just saw Steve Hansen and Kieran Reads post match interviews....both very classy.....we need to be very afraid for two weeks time...

Pot Hale wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:Given Soldier Field is quite narrow and there's a wide concourse around the pitch, kicks should be aimed well enough so that throw-ins can't be taken quickly.    The New Zealand lineout should be tested early on to see how well they cope, and to see if their throw can be put under pressure.

Attacking out wide will likely bear little fruit, but in around the breakdown with quick hands and hard carries should pay some dividends and make distance.   Argentina did this quite successfully in their test.  Power plays against NZ in this area were quite effective for us before.

A patient controlling game that does not tire out players is what's needed to combat the forced pace from New Zealand.  I'd also think that replacements should be delayed by a few minutes longer so that the young, pacy bench can withstand the greater temp of the 55-75 high-scoring period.   And that Ireland can attack themselves.  

Could be an interesting match to see how respective tactics work out.

I've gone for a 1-5 point win for Ireland.

Dammit!  Everything going as planned and then bloody Henshaw had to score.

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

What are you on about? I'm over in NZ and every article is about how good Ireland were. There's not a single mention of sickness.

Enjoy what is a great moment without making up WUMMing b*llocks

Maybe you need to check your sources before commenting. Most of NZ press have huge issues with the result and the fans are absolutely raging with the officials. Really, really angry.

Cyril wrote:

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:People always say that New Zealand play 80 minutes of every match. However, they some times only come to life in the second half. Do they really play the full 80?

There are already 'illness' and 'bad food' rumours coming out of NZ networks.

When will they lose in a humble manner?

What are you on about? I'm over in NZ and every article is about how good Ireland were. There's not a single mention of sickness.

Enjoy what is a great moment without making up WUMMing b*llocks

Maybe you need to check your sources before commenting. Most of NZ press have huge issues with the result and the fans are absolutely raging with the officials. Really, really angry.

Lol, you're stirring Cyril

The reality is, in NZ, I don't think a loss has ever been taken so well by the general public

There is an acknowledgment that Ireland thoroughly deserved the win and there is some happiness in seeing what this win has meant to them. Especially after the last game when we pinched it.

Just got home after a 12 hour day, and have not seen the game, but obviously do know the result.

To Notch. Pot h, Billy. Fly, GG, Sine e, and all you other irish supporters I am pleased for you. you have been gracious over the many years that we have been on this site. Enjoy the moment, and Im sure it will be a long moment.

To paraphrase what I have been told of the game Ireland played better than the ABs, the ABs did not play well, and the result was most deservedly Irelands.

I did hear Grant Fox on Radio Sport this afternoon, he said they had done their usual week of preparation and training had not sprung any surprise issues.

Enjoy guys, I truely am pleased for you, I would buy you a beer but your too far away and I might spill it. This is good for Rugby too.

“People will say ‘Oh, you were missing two locks,’ but we haven’t got any excuses. We were just beaten by a better side on the day. That happens when you play good sides. And we’ve been saying for quite some time they’re a good team.”

Hansen

Well done Ireland.

I lost my voice.

You were magic

Well played Ireland.

This must be the best win of Ireland's History.

Wish i could of seen the game;. but just seeing the result this morning was good enough.

Again very well played Ireland.