Ward vs Kovalev - Who've you got?

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I can’t let a fight as big as this weekend pass without a thread asking for folks thoughts. For me this is one of those odd fights that I am looking forward to enormously but suspect might well fail to ignite. I suspect intriguing rather than exciting may accurately describe it. Got to say since this has been announced I have been picking Ward. I rate both of them highly but just think Ward is a special talent, a lot more rounded and like Mayweather one with an exceptional ability to shut opponents down and neutralise them.
 
That being said Kovalev is no underdog or no hoper, this is a genuinely close fight, and one in which you can make an argument either way. Whilst people rightly wax lyrical about Kovalev’s power his boxing ability should not be underplayed, few since Jones have solved the numerous riddles Hopkins poses so effectively. Also he is a natural big hitting light heavy, something Ward has never faced, whilst his defence has always looked solid at super middle he is not completely unhittable. Froch had his moments where he was able to land, so one would assume Sergey will be able to do likewise. How Ward stands up to that is one of the big questions in this one.
 
Also whilst Ward is hardly an old man his career post Super six has had more stops and starts than me attempting to run a marathon. Being in the ring with Kovalev would not be a place I would want to be blowing off a dose of ring rust. Despite that, I still think Ward will be victorious, he is smart at tying up/holding on the inside and fast enough that he will score with plenty when the fight is at range. If the ref is pretty easy going when it comes to his holding inside, and thus far he has tended to get away with it, I think he will secure the win on points.
 
All of this almost certainly guarantees you can put your house on Kovalev, but irrespective of the outcome I cannot wait for this fight. A genuine talent moving up to take on the best the division above him has to offer, this is the sort of fight the sport needs more of.

Herman Jaeger wrote:The more you think about it the more you realise what a terrible decision it was

I had Ward winning... Others had Ward winning.

Get over it..

Guess you must score heavily for fouls then..

Herman Jaeger wrote:Guess you must score heavily for fouls then..

It's what Boxing has referees for...

You can argue better than that..Herm

https://youtu.be/6s9gQP0LDDw

What a surprise to see Herman clinging to somebody else's argument.

Hall of Famer Carlos Palomino who picked Ward to win felt Kovalev won the fight

'Why?'

'My opinion I think Ward lost seven out of the twelve rounds'

Herman Jaeger wrote:Hall of Famer Carlos Palomino who picked Ward to win felt Kovalev won the fight

'Why?'

'My opinion I think Ward lost seven out of the twelve rounds'

End of argument then....

I don't know what you're hoping to achieve with the constant quotes from ex boxers, I still saw what I saw.

Palomino isn't confident that the rematch takes place

Neither am I..

Herman Jaeger wrote:Hall of Famer Carlos Palomino who picked Ward to win felt Kovalev won the fight

'Why?'

'My opinion I think Ward lost seven out of the twelve rounds'

If Palomino is a HOFer then Ward doesn't have to worry..

http://www.thefightcity.com/june-22-1979-duran-vs-palomino-roberto-duran-carlos-palomino-madison-square-garden-larry-holmes-benny-leonard-wilfred-benitez-sugar-ray-leonard/

Palomino was a good fighter that lost to every top fighter he fought...

Posting meaningless articles ain't going to change that.

Why watch a fight when you can read about it instead.

These guys are trolling.

If Ward lost 7 rounds in someone's scorecard, that's fair enough. Many rounds were close and I had Ward win 7. At worst he wins only 6 and Kov wins due to the knockdown.

The result is slightly contentious, but it is not a robbery.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Palomino was a good fighter that lost to every top fighter he fought...

Posting meaningless articles ain't going to change that.

Don't rush in read between the lines one of the finest performances of Duran's career

That says something for the opponent surely..

Herman Jaeger wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Palomino was a good fighter that lost to every top fighter he fought...

Posting meaningless articles ain't going to change that.

Don't rush in read between the lines one of the finest performances of Duran's career

That says something for the opponent surely..

Not that important to me either way..Herman.

You're playing the Duran card because Carlos is otherwise unknown to you..

Fair play for hanging in there..

But I'm out..

Only mentioned Palomino because he appears in a video underneath one of those I dropped this morning giving his thoughts on the verdict

Smart arse..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not that important to me either way..Herman.

You're playing the Duran card because Carlos is otherwise unknown to you..

Fair play for hanging in there..

But I'm out..

Truss I don't believe he actually watches any boxing, all of his opinions (self proclaimed trolling) are just copies of other posters which he then finds articles online to supposedly back up. Bringing up boxers you've never heard of before is a bit pointless.

What you talking about now I saw Palomino on Happy Days

When you see the quote in writing made Ward sound arrogant but in this video he doesn't come over arrogant at all. I don't think it should be too much of a problem getting the return done:

https://youtu.be/0bRpeN_d7Qk

The crowd 'in Vegas' did not boo the decision for no reason.

Ahhh the famous lets ignore the judges and just go off what the crowd thinks.

Derbymanc wrote:Ahhh the famous lets ignore the judges and just go off what the crowd thinks.

It was a very Pro Ward crowd

Derbymanc wrote:Ahhh the famous lets ignore the judges and just go off what the crowd thinks.

It's food for thought Einstein.

Anyway, ignoring the judges wouldn't be a bad thing when you take into account that two of them gave Ward R10.

Also, how a judge can give Ward every round 7-12 is beyond belief.

Organised criminal conspiracy

Judges can be bought. Crowd on the other hand...

Time to wake up if you think judges have never been paid off

your both bonkers and can't accept that your guy lost. Sour grapes of the highest kind really and very sad that fans have to make excuses for what was an extremely close fight

Derbymanc wrote:your both bonkers and can't accept that your guy lost. Sour grapes of the highest kind really and very sad that fans have to make excuses for what was an extremely close fight

I'm not even a Kov fan, but i know a fraud when I see one.

So just to be clear then Dylan, as I hate all this reading between the lines stuff, fence sitting stuff. You think Kovalev won the fight?

why not do something about it then Dyl, go to your local gym, get your coaching badges, work your way up until your the judge and then you can have your say, until then you can spout queensbury rules that mean nothing all you want.

Dylan1979 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:your both bonkers and can't accept that your guy lost. Sour grapes of the highest kind really and very sad that fans have to make excuses for what was an extremely close fight

I'm not even a Kov fan.

I wish everyone was as neutral as you on the issue....

I've been around long enough to know that sport across the globe is not what it used to be.

As soon as business mixes with sport, sport is well and truly fu***d.

Insider trading is not confined to the financial markets.

Protectors in Gov't and mainstream media covering up the dirty work of neo liberal mafia cartels.

I just choose to see it all for what it really is.

yeh, thank god the mafia never got involved in boxing in the good old days. Especially the neo-liberal ones.

Dylan1979 wrote:I've been around long enough to know that sport across the globe is not what it used to be.

As soon as business mixes with sport, sport is well and truly fu***d.

Insider trading is not confined to the financial markets.

Protectors in Gov't and mainstream media covering up the dirty work of neo liberal mafia cartels.

I just choose to see it all for what it really is.

Lol.

This Ward hasn't lost a fight since the age of twelve thing doesn't quite have the same ring about it anymore

Unless he can win the return in decisive fashion

Herman Jaeger wrote:This Ward hasn't lost a fight since the age of twelve thing doesn't quite have the same ring about it anymore

Unless he can win the return in decisive fashion

Yep.....Moving on..

Herman Jaeger wrote:This Ward hasn't lost a fight since the age of twelve thing doesn't quite have the same ring about it anymore

Unless he can win the return in decisive fashion

He won that's all that really matters.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Herman Jaeger wrote:This Ward hasn't lost a fight since the age of twelve thing doesn't quite have the same ring about it anymore

Unless he can win the return in decisive fashion

Yep.....Moving on..

If you want to move on why bother commenting, why not just leave it?

Seems you two maybe have a bee in your bonnet about it..

Not letting others have an opinion on it..

Ahh yes opinion, unfortunately Herman FACT says he hasn't lost since he was 12 :-) (btw I hope there is a rematch as think it could be another corker)

As I said Dyl, if your that passionate about it, work towards doing something about it.

Herman Jaeger wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Herman Jaeger wrote:This Ward hasn't lost a fight since the age of twelve thing doesn't quite have the same ring about it anymore

Unless he can win the return in decisive fashion

Yep.....Moving on..

If you want to move on why bother commenting, why not just leave it?

Seems you two maybe have a bee in your bonnet about it..

Not letting others have an opinion on it..

I'll debate you...You just make it hard with silly comments like that.

Hope you're not talking about your knob

I am talking about a knob..

Who wins the return, Truss?

Herman Jaeger wrote:Who wins the return, Truss?

Who wins or actually wins

Lean towards Ward..Herman...Who knows what he's up against now...

Top fighters learn more from experiences....and he is a great fighter.

But then again If I was a gambler I'd be homeless..

You have the last word...

Will be interesting to see how the fight plays out with less holding you'd imagine they'll want a stricter ref next time

I imagine a lot will think Ward, being the boxer, will do better next time looking forward to it already

Help me out here guys..

Ward being the boxer? Against Kov? GTFOH!!

Kov is a better boxer than Ward.

I can't for the life of me think how Ward can be described as a better boxer than Kov.

All things being equal, rematch should take place in Russia.

However, this is Andre Ward we're talking about...

Silly me.

Kovalev is well known for fighting in Russia isn't he having fought there a grand total of three times, don't worry though Dylan the result shows who the better boxer is.

The better boxer is kovalev

Not a contest

If he was so good he would have won wouldn't he but he didn't therefore Ward IS the better boxer.