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Post by hazharrison on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 2:04 pm

In talks apparently.

That would shift an awful lot of PPV sales. Is it a good fight?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 2:17 pm

Not interested in Chavez Jr and Canelo's career is meaningless till he faces Golovkin

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 2:29 pm

Oscar said Canelo wanted to build up to 160, instead he's building up to 165 to fight the guy who struggles to make any agreed weight...

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 2:41 pm

Well this is interesting. Oscar has recently said he can't fight GG at 160 because he needs to grow into the weigh.

Now he is in talks at 165lbs?! Absolute tools.

Clearly ducking GGG until he is 51...then may fight.

Canelo is slowly but surely looking like a laughing stock and not a serious contender.

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 2:51 pm

Nonsense moby. He's being true to his word... he's not ready for 160. It's 155 or 165 only.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 3:53 pm

Be a war that's for sure!

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Post by catchweight on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:28 pm

The rehydration supremo's. Both enter the ring weighing over the heavyweight limit.

Im not sure what chavez is like for motivation or getting down in weight these days. But if he could recapture his former middleweight days then i like the fight. Alvarez the better fighter, but it would reveal some of the truths about him fighting a solid guy his own size or bigger. He mightnt even benefit from canelo judging given chavez connections.

Chavez could easily be unmotivated, weight drained and rusty if hes not really up for it though.

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Post by AdamT on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 11:54 am

Will now fight at 165, but refused to fight in division's limit were he held titles??

F..k off Goldenboy. I still slate GGG's record (it isn't great, though not entirely his fault,) but there is no doubt he is dying to fight Canelo. If Canelo promises to fight GGG next year then fair enough. If not, I couldn't care who he meets.

His promoter was quick enough to call other boxer's duckers, he should look a little closer to home.

Ranting aside, Canelo v Chavez Jr would do good business and be a good entertaining fight. Chavez Jr might be too tough for Canelo and would wear him out down the stretch.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 10:13 pm

AdamT wrote:Will now fight at 165, but refused to fight in division's limit were he held titles??

F..k off Goldenboy. I still slate GGG's record (it isn't great, though not entirely his fault,) but there is no doubt he is dying to fight Canelo. If Canelo promises to fight GGG next year then fair enough. If not, I couldn't care who he meets.

His promoter was quick enough to call other boxer's duckers, he should look a little closer to home.

Ranting aside, Canelo v Chavez Jr would do good business and be a good entertaining fight. Chavez Jr might be too tough for Canelo and would wear him out down the stretch.

Hope Chavez KHTFO

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Post by catchweight on Fri 23 Dec 2016, 4:05 pm

It looks like this fight might be announced soon at a catchweight of 165lbs. Both teams say a deal is close.

The WBO also installed Alvarez as mandatory for Saunders. Im not sure how thats possible but seems to be a case of bumping him up the ladder in order to make more sanctioning fees.

It sucks for people who want to see Golovkin v Alvarez made, but at least Chavez and Saunders should be able to provide genuine tests for Alvarez i they get their conditioning and training right.

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Post by catchweight on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 9:24 pm

Alvarez v Chavez has been finalised for Cinqo de Mayo now at a catchweight of 164.5lbs.

I wonder will the WBC bless it with one of their special ruby/emerald/diamond/saphire belts. Would be a shame to miss out on those fees for a ppv winner like this.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 9:25 pm

Well at least after this fight Canelo can't duck GGG anymore

Hope Chavez Jr flattens him

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 9:28 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:Well at least after this fight Canelo can't duck GGG anymore

Hope Chavez Jr flattens him

So we definitely don't get to see GGG fight Canelo?

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Post by catchweight on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 9:35 pm

I wouldnt count on Canelo facing Golovkin after this. They can still pick anyone they like. Cotto is a real possibility. Saunders is another and ominously the WBO have decided to make Alvarez number 1 contender for Saunders title based on nothing at all. Andy Lee is always popular. Kell Brook could be tempted up again.

You would hope the GGG fight happens. But it should have happened 3 or 4 times by now.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:26 pm

catchweight wrote:I wouldnt count on Canelo facing Golovkin after this. They can still pick anyone they like. Cotto is a real possibility. Saunders is another and ominously the WBO have decided to make Alvarez number 1 contender for Saunders title based on nothing at all. Andy Lee is always popular. Kell Brook could be tempted up again.

You would hope the GGG fight happens. But it should have happened 3 or 4 times by now.
WBO rules states a champion moving up immediately becomes mandatory at the next weight class.

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Post by catchweight on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:30 pm

Well there you go then. I guess whoever was the number 1 contender before that will be chuffed about that.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:32 pm

catchweight wrote:Well there you go then. I guess whoever was the number 1 contender before that will be chuffed about that.
That said Canelo is actually fighting at super middleweight so he should be made mandatory for Gilberto Ramirez...

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Post by catchweight on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:38 pm

Canelo invents his own weight classes. 17 just isnt enough.

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Post by hazharrison on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:06 pm

Golovkin isn't being ducked, though. His management just put that out so he can keep fighting knock overs.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:14 pm

Mayweather very bitter towards Golovkin saying Canelo beats Golovkin

The best ever would have accepted a fight with Golovkin at 154 which was being offered to him for several years

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:16 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:Mayweather very bitter towards Golovkin saying Canelo beats Golovkin

The best ever would have accepted a fight with Golovkin at 154 which was being offered to him for several years

Lot of noise from GGG about that but if he really wanted the fight he'd have started campaigning at 154lbs not that Mayweather a former Super Featherweight should be expected to fight middleweights.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:18 pm

Floyd didn't accept the challenge should leave Golovkin alone imo

Put up or shut up..

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Post by catchweight on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:20 pm

Why would Golovkin not want a Mayweather fight? Why would he start camapingning at 154lbs for a fight that was never going to happen?


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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm

He never needed to campaign at 54 to get the fight imo

He was prepared to severely drain himself for the fight still Floyd said no

Floyd never dared to be great

Even against a skeleton!

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Post by catchweight on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:36 pm

The fight was never going to be a goer. Golovkin was too big and hit too hard for someone like Mayweather, who wasnt interested in taking on the fight in any event. Thats fine. But its laughable people saying Golovkin needed to do x,y,z and then Mayweather was waiting in the wings when Mayweather was targetting the likes of Maidana and Berto. Mayweather talks about Golovkin a lot, for a man who was never going to fight him. A lot of boxers talk about Golovkin a lot yet never take up the opportunity to fight him. Its the ones that dont talk, like the Jacobs, Brooks, Andy Lees etc that are the guys that actually are willing to take him on.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:52 pm

Mayweather fights Maidana and Berto instead of Golovkin and calls himself the best ever..

Ok Floyd

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Post by hazharrison on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 1:28 pm

Floyd's round the twist. I chuckled when DeGale said earlier in the week that Floyd was alright but was away with the fairies.

A lot of his fans are the same.

Floyd wanted to be rich and healthy rather than the greatest. Would he rather be making all-time lists while wearing cheap threads and mumbling into his chest? Not a chance. He's happy with his lot.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 10:40 am

I don't listen to ex fighters mouthing off if I can avoid it, so I've no idea what Floyd has or hasn't said. He lives in his own little world anyway so I wouldn't give it much credence regardless... but if he has been mouthing off about golovkin he should shut it.

But can we not bury this Floyd avoiding golovkin crap that keeps surfacing. A very good, potentially great middleweight against a guy who in modern weight and weigh in terms iprobably matured into a light welter. Yes he won a light middle belt, yes team golovkin told us he'd make 154 for the Floyd fight... hey money talks (he's never volunteered it for canelo). It's a physical mismatch. On fight night golovkin typically weighs up to 20 pounds more than mayweather.

I'm happy to entertain criticism for Floyd for opponent selectivity, there's definitely scope for that, I've been critical in the past... but re golovkin? Nonsense.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 12:27 pm

Time to bury the Golovkin didnt want the Mayweather fight because he wasnt willing to start campaigning at 154lbs baloney with it.

There is scarcely a week goes without the likes Mayweather, Froch, Canelo / Golden Boy, the Eubanks, Saunders etc sounding off on Golovkin but these are the guys that have never taken up the opportunity to make the fight when there was an option for it. Petty sniping from the sidelines because their ego's are fragile. If Golovkin was this, that and the other then why didnt they step in and burst the bubble?

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 1:49 pm

Yup

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 7:26 pm

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/1/13/14259380/golden-boy-haymon-pbc-lawsuit-more-financials-surface-boxing-news

This is pretty interesting. If I was Oscar et al. I wouldn't be putting Canelo anywhere near anyone with a pulse.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 7:55 pm

Indeed. This is why they are no longer taking risks with Alvarez. When you go through Golden Boys stable, there really isnt anyone there who can make them money aside from Canelo. The split with Haymon and Schaeffer left them starved and they have done a pretty crummy job since then of promoting what talent they have left (albeit in an increasingly disinterested U.S market). De la Hoya was the face but not the brains of Golen Boy.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

Apparently Canelo generates 107% of Goldenboy income (based on other fighters making a loss).

Definition of golden egg - no wonder ODLH won't expose him to GGG.

Chavez Jr on twitter saying he'll give up $1m (or might've been $100k) for every 1lb over the weight limit....

GGG needs to get serious and start storming rings Shannon Briggs style, Mr Nice Guy too easy to ignore atm.

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Post by milkyboy on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:11 am

I don't think the figures re Carmelo are the interesting part... pretty obvious he's the only fighter worth a dime they have left.

The huge volume of cash being used to tie up tv networks and win fighters over to haymon is the story. We knew he was chucking huge cash at fighters, that didn't warrant it, as a power play... but I personally Havent followed it and had no idea of the scale of money going into the networks  for exclusive rights.

Is it anti-competitive? ... well that's down to the judges to decide but it's certainly a hell of a bankrolled power play.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:56 am

who is bankrolling it?

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Post by kingraf on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:34 pm

I wonder how big this fight will be. When it was announced about a week ago, it probably had by some distance the biggest traffic on Sportscenter, and that during the rundown of the regular NFL season. It's not scientific, but I reckon this could be a biggy. Not Pac-May big, but big regardless. I like Chavez. He's a spoilt brat, and can't be bothered half the time, but he doesnt turn down a fight.
6'1, probably gonna rehydrate to a heavyweight. has a mean left hook, and Canelo is probably gonna need to hit him with a hammer to drop that chin. I think he's the underdog, but a very live one. Only fighter to ever embarrass him, was Martinez, and Canelo doesn't move half as well as Sergio.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

Fonfara embarrassed him more than Martinez did, that fight highlighted how much Chavez relies on his size and that without it he's nothing.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:57 pm

Agree 100% with Hammersmith - Fonfara took Chavez to the cleaners. Not really sure that the outcome with Mexican middleweight duck machine that is Canelo will be any different.
Wide UD or late retirement.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:21 pm

Two Mexicans on Cinco de Mayo - it's gonna be big.

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Post by catchweight on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 11:37 pm

I hope Chavez is up for this fight and not just going to smash and grab a pay day. We should then learn more about Alvarez, who for me has a touch of the Chavez effect about him himself. Better boxing ability than Chavez, but a super-hydrater who enjoys favourable judging and outsizing opponents. It will be interesting to see how he fares with an opponent bigger than him. Commercially it might well be the biggest fight in boxing right now.

Looks like Alvarez has opened at 1/10 which strikes me as a quite short and undervaluing Chavez. Granted, he hasnt done much in a while but this fight is happening closer to a weight that he was stronger at and with Alvarez stepping up againt a physically bigger opponent for once there is always a risk. I think if Chavez is up for this and can recapture some of his form from his middleweight days he could provide Alvarez with a test and an entertaining fight.


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Post by hazharrison on Wed 18 Jan 2017, 12:22 am

catchweight wrote:I hope Chavez is up for this fight and not just going to smash and grab a pay day. We should then learn more about Alvarez, who for me has a touch of the Chavez effect about him himself. Better boxing ability than Chavez, but a super-hydrater who enjoys favourable judging and outsizing opponents. It will be interesting to see how he fares with an opponent bigger than him. Commercially it might well be the biggest fight in boxing right now.

Looks like Alvarez has opened at 1/10 which strikes me as a quite short and undervaluing Chavez. Granted, he hasnt done much in a while but this fight is happening closer to a weight that he was stronger at and with Alvarez stepping up againt a physically bigger opponent for once there is always a risk. I think if Chavez is up for this and can recapture some of his form from his middleweight days he could provide Alvarez with a test and an entertaining fight.


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Post by kingraf on Wed 18 Jan 2017, 11:27 am

I forgot about the Fonfara fight. Regardless, Fonfara presented different challenges to a CHavez who at that point was a fat disinterested sloth. I can't say for sure he's any more motivated in 2017, but I really do believe a motivated Chavez has factors in his game which can make this competitive.
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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 22 Jan 2017, 4:04 pm

But deluded Oscar here saying Canelo must be doing something right to be getting so much criticism

No Oscar he's doing something very wrong in the eyes of the boxing fans ducking his main rival

I think it's the latest buzz retort from promoters actually with DiBella at the Thurman Garcia presser saying if a fighter doesn't get haters he must be doing something wrong(in response to Garcia's recent level of opposition)

http://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-canelo-beating-chavez-jr-not-satisfy-critics--112888

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 22 Jan 2017, 4:15 pm

I'm sure his paycheck for the Chavez fight will ease the concerns you have for him, his fans don't care who he fights.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 22 Jan 2017, 4:38 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm sure his paycheck for the Chavez fight will ease the concerns you have for him, his fans don't care who he fights.

Yep

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Post by Baby faced assassin on Fri 27 Jan 2017, 5:50 pm

Late reply to this I know, but this could be a serious banana skin from Canelo

I mean yes in p4p terms he's levels above Chavez but he isn't a mover, he's a boxer puncher

Can he stand infront of a 180/185lbs chavez and do what he did to Anglo, Smith etc

Smith got well beat but Canelo was on the ropes a lot and got hit, the only difference was Smith was couldn't punch whereas chvez can
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