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Post by Henman Bill Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:39 am

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Federer vs Nadal and other matches on day 14.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:55 pm

It's a case of who blinks first here. On serve with Nadal leading 3-2. I will stick my neck out here and say this first set is much more important to Roger than Rafa.
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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:02 pm

Fantastic game to break from Feds!

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:02 pm

Roger breaks to lead 4-3 in the first set. Just what he needed. Imperative he serves it out now.
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Post by MrInvisible Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:03 pm

Federer playing aggressively and gets the break - he''s certainly made the brighter start and Nadal not really sparked into life yet. Agree that this 1st set is crucial for Federer though.

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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:05 pm

Dream start for Feds.

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Post by MrInvisible Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:05 pm

Great hold from Federer to move to 5-3. If he keeps serving as well as this he's got a decent chance in this match.

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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:12 pm

GET IN THERE YOU BEAUTY! 1ST SET!

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:12 pm

Federer takes the first set 6-4 in 35 minutes. Can he keep Rafa on the back foot and keep the pace up? Time will tell.
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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:13 pm

That's as close to a perfect set as you'll get from Roger. Could win in three if he plays like that for another hour
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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:13 pm

So far so good from Federer


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Post by Born Slippy Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:17 pm

And Wilander isn't on commentary for the second set. Happy days all-round!

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Post by Matchpoint Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:18 pm

Nadal looks lacklustre. Expecting his momentum to pick up any time now.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:23 pm

Sloppy service game from Federer and Nadal gets the break of serve. Federer leads 6-4 0-2.


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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:25 pm

That's the problem got Federer. He has to play at a ridiculously high level against Nadal. He struggled to always maintain it at 27-28, what more 36
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Post by barrystar Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:25 pm

That's it in a nutshell - right there.  The whole dreary history of the non-existent Fedal rivalry.  More like the Nadal steamroller.  

Fed gives his fans false hope before succumbing to the inevitable - and the crazy thing is that I still have a little bit of painful hope.

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.


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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:28 pm

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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:29 pm

Way too many forehand errors for Roger so far

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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:32 pm

This is becoming Rafa's kind of match

Roger had better take care

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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:33 pm

barrystar wrote:That's it in a nutshell - right there.  The whole dreary history of the non-existent Fedal rivalry.  More like the Nadal steamroller.  

Fed gives his fans false hope before succumbing to the inevitable - and the crazy thing is that I still have a little bit of painful hope.

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.

I don't even know why I'm awake

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:34 pm

Fed has to try and end the cycle of long points. He's up to nearly 12m a point and he simply isn't good enough from the baseline to take Nadal on in that style of match. It will also probably mean he's out on his feet by set 4.

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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:34 pm

Hope is a dangerous thing, Barry. Hope can drive a man insane
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:35 pm

That game was not what Roger wanted. Two break points missed and a long drawn out game with long rallies. Nadal holds to lead 3-0.
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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:35 pm

Nine errors on the Federer forehand now....

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:35 pm

And in a flash another three break points from Rafa.
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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:36 pm

Federer could be looking at a trip to the bakery here. Only question is: breadstick or bagel?
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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:36 pm

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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:37 pm

10 erros on the Federer forehand now.


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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:37 pm

Nadal breaks again to lead 4-0 in the second set.
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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:40 pm

The Federer breaks back
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:41 pm

Federer breaks to get one of the breaks back but still trails 4-1 in the second set.
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Post by kingraf Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Even the pace of this set is more suited to Rafael. 34 minutes for six games vs 34 minutes for 10.
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:47 pm

Federer holds to lead 6-4 2-4. You kind of feel as if this is energy being dispelled on a lost cause (this set).
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:48 pm

kingraf wrote:Even the pace of this set is more suited to Rafael. 34 minutes for six games vs 34 minutes for 10.

I just think that is because Rafa has got in to far more of Roger's service games which extends the rallies naturally.
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Post by LuvSports! Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:48 pm

Out of curiosity do Rafa fans like the style he plays against Feds?

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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:52 pm

Worst case scenario: Roger serves first to begin the 3rd set

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Post by prostaff85 Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:53 pm

I think Rafa fans by definition are not concerned with style of play

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:55 pm

And Rafa serves out to win the second set 6-3 and level it up one set all after one hour sixteen minutes.
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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:57 pm

Roger needs to rediscover the serving form of the 1st set to stay in this match and rediscover his forehand in the process

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Post by barrystar Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:57 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Federer holds to lead 6-4 2-4. You kind of feel as if this is energy being dispelled on a lost cause (this set).

Pete Sampras was master of not wasting energy - defending his serve to the hilt, not attacking every service game of his opponent, and preserving his energy for the next set if he was losing a set.  Federer gets sucked in.  In a way I think that Nadal is more like Sampras in terms of the vital quality of relentlessness than Federer is, even though Federer's game is obviously more similar to that of Sampras.

It is also notable that Sampras's stats of losing important games like SF's and finals are similar to Nadal's - he didn't lose many.  Fed on the other hand makes masses of Semi's and finals, and of course he has won his fair share, but the w/l ratio is high.


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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:00 pm

Rafa's intensity is what wears Roger down. To win points against Roger he has to hit three or four shots that are winners against most tennis players whereas the first of those against others would be winners. That MUST wear Roger down physically and mentally.
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:02 pm

This is an awful game from Fed. Get it together!

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:03 pm

A must win game for Federer.
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:04 pm

Great hold in the end. Awesome backhand.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:04 pm

And having saved three break points Roger holds. A long and crucial game that.
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Post by kemet Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:04 pm

Roger essentially saved some match points there

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Post by barrystar Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:08 pm

BP on Nadal's serve - more hope..........................!


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Post by Henman Bill Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:09 pm

Great first set from Roger - winners, few UEs, serves, service return, taking a break point.

Since then just way too many errors. Cannot win if the forehand keeps misfiring. Although literally hit his best forehand of the match the second I wrote that, and this has been his best forehand game since set 1, so still hope!

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:09 pm

And Roger turns the tables to break in the third set.
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Post by Henman Bill Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:10 pm

It does still look like Rafa in 4 at this point, as it has throughout the match, however the early break in the third keeps things interesting at least.

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Post by Henman Bill Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:10 pm

Rafa looks solid to me. Where are the increased errors that he does against everyone else in the last few years? Grrr.

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