Week 1 Results

Celta Vigo v PSV

Voter 1

Team: Vigo 4 – PSV 7
Tactics & formation: Vigo 6 – PSV 3
Subs: 0-0
+2 points for home team
Total: Vigo 12-12 PSV 3-3 result

Goalscorers: Aspas x3; Locadia x3
Assists: Trippier x2, Hernandez x1; Zinchenko x3
MOTM: Zinchenko

Voter 2

Team: Celta Vigo 4-7 PSV
Tactics & formation: Celta Vigo  5-4 PSV
Subs: Celta Vigo 0-0 PSV
+2 points for home team
Total: 11-11 (draw) 3-3 (rounded)

Goalscorers: Aspas - Unal
Assists: Hernandez - Guardrado
MOTM: Neves

Voter 3

Celta Vigo vs PSV
Team: 7-4
Tactics & formation: 3-6
Subs: 1-2
+2 Home ADV
13-12 - 3-3

Think Celta Vigo have a superior team for sure, but PSV have thoughts things through a bit better, like the diamond.

Voter 4

Team - Celta 7 PSV 4
T&F - Celta 5 PSV 4
Subs - No points
Celta +2pts home advantage
Celta 14 PSV 8 (3-2)
Think Celta's strikers are too similar to each other, they should look for a target man. PSV need to improve a lot as their team is very 'meh'

Voter 5

Team: Celta Vigo 6-5 PSV
Tactics & formation: Celta Vigo 6-3 PSV
Subs: Celta Vigo 2-1 PSV
+2 points for home team
Total: Celta Vigo 16-9 PSV (4-2)

Voter 6

Celta Vigo - PSV

Team: 7-4
Tactics & formation: 5-4
Subs: 1-2
+2 points for home team
Total: 15 – 10 (4-2)

MOTM: Aspas
Comments: Too much quality up front in the Celta side, but their midfield needs work. PSV have a good defence but need a lot of work in the midfield and attack

Voter 7

Team: Team A 5, Team B 6
Tactics & Formation: Team A 6 Team B 3
Subs: N/A Neither made any
Home ADV +2

Team A 13pts (3-2)
Team B 9pts

Diamond is too narrow and against a 3-5-2 you need width to hurt them.

Voter 8

Team - Vigo 3, psv 8
Tactic - Vigo 4, psv 5
Subs - 0-0 neither used any
Home ADV +2
9-13 (2-3)

Voter 9

Team: Celta Vigo 6 – 5 PSV
Tactics & formation: Celta Vigo 5 – 4 PSV
Subs: Celta Vigo 1 – 2 PSV
+2 points for home team
Total: Celta Vigo 14 - PSV 11 (4-3)

Voter 10

Team: Celta Vigo 5-6 PSV
Tactics & Formation: Celta Vigo 5-4 PSV
Subs: Celta Vigo 0-0 PSV
+2 Points for Home Team
Total: 10-10 (3-3)

Goalscorers:
Assists:
MOTM:
Comments: Good game for the neutral, tough one to call, feel like the tactics from Lubo got him a draw here up against whats looking like a decent side being built by Olly.

Leipzig v Atalanta

Voter 1

Team: Leipzig 5 – Atalanta 6
Tactics & formation: 4-5
Subs: 3-0
+2 points for home team
Total: 14-11 (4-3 result)

Goalscorers: Asensio x4; Rashford x3
Assists: Forsberg x4; Gomez x3
MOTM: Keita

Voter 2

Team: RB Leipzig 5 – 6 Atalanta
Tactics & formation: RB Leipzig 5-4 Atalanta
Subs: RB Leipzig 3-0 Atalanta
+2 points for home team
Total: 15-10 (+2 win for Leipzig) (4-3)

Goalscorers: Forsberg, Keita, Diaz - Rashford
Assists: Asensio x2 - Gomez
MOTM: Asensio

Voter 3

Leipzig vs Atlanta
Team: 5-6
Tactics & formation: 4-5
Subs: 2-1
Home Advantage +2
Total: 13-12 (3-3)

Love Atlanta's Rashford-Iheanacho partnership and Mendy is a great player, but Leipzig have a strong side across the park. Good game here that Atlanta edge for me.

Voter 4

Team: Leipzig 4 – 7 Atalanta
Tactics & formation: Lepizig 3 - 6 Atalanta
Subs: Leipzig 2 - 1 Atalanta
+2 points for home team
Total: LEpizig 11 – 14 Atalanta (3-4)

Voter 5

Leipzig-Atlanta
Team: 7 – 8
Tactics & formation: 3 – 3
Subs: 1 – 4
+2 points for home team
Total: 13 – 15 (3-4)

Voter 6

RB Leipzig - Atlanta

Team: 5 -6
Tactics & formation: 5-4
Subs: 1-2
+2 points for home team
Total: 13-12 (3-3)

MOTM - Forsberg
Comments - Think the quality of the 3 attacking mids for Leipzig is too much for Atalanta, whose pacy attack will have some success but just come up short

Voter 7

RB Leipzig vs Atalanta

Team: Team A 6 Team B 5
Tactics & Formation: Team A 4 Team B 5
Subs: Team A 3
Home ADV +2

Team A 15pts
Team B 10pts (4-3)

I really do prefer the away side BUT Home Adv and being the only ones to make a sub has swung this

Voter 8

Team - leipzig 4, atlanta 7
Tactic - leipzig 5, atlanta 4
Subs - leipzig 2, atlanta 0 - he actually used them
Home Advantage +2
Total: 11-11 (3-3)

Voter 9

Team: RB Leipzig 5 – 6 Atalanta
Tactics & formation: RB Leipzig 4 – 5 Atalanta
Subs: RB Leipzig 2 – 1 Atalanta
+2 points for home team
Total: RB Leipzig 13 – 12 Atalanta (3-3)

Voter 10

Team: Leipzig 4-6 Atalanta
Tactics & formation: Leipzig 3-6 Atalanta
Subs: 2-0
+2 points for home team
Total: 11-12 (3-3)

Goalscorers:
Assists:
MOTM:
Comments: Liking the looks of the foundations of Hodgeys Atalanta team. Got a decent front line to get himself going. I like what Nadz is doing, obviously needs work like all our teams.

Swansea v Torino

Voter 1

Team: Swansea 3-8 Torino
Tactics & formation: Swansea 4-5 Torino
Subs: Swansea 1-2 Torino
+2 points for home team
Total: Swansea 10-15 Torino (+2 win for Torino) (3-4)

Goalscorers: Sigurdsson – Belotti x 2, Ljajic
Assists: Benassi, Iturbe
MOTM: Belotti

Voter 2

Swansea vs Torino
Team: 5-6
Tactics & formation: 4-5
Subs: 2-1
Home ADV +2
Total: 13-12 (3-3)

Great game, hardest one to call. Very high quality tactics from both managers and in normal circumstances I'd give a draw. Torino have a marginally better side for me though.

Voter 3

Swansea 5 Torino 6
T&F - Swansea 5 Torino 4
Subs Swansea 1 Torino 2
Swansea +2pts home advantage
Swansea 13 Torino 12 (3-3)

Torino have a strong defence defence but Alves needs to play as a WB to get the best out of him. Swansea need a bit more creativity on the wings.

Voter 4

Team: Swansea 4 – 7 Torino
Tactics & formation: Swansea 2 – 7 Torino
Subs: Swansea 2 – 1 Torino
+2 points for home team
Total: Swansea 10 – 15 (3-4)

Voter 5

Swansea-Torino
Team: 4-8
Tactics and form: 6-6
Subs: 1-2
+2 Home ADV
Total: 13-16 (3-4)

Voter 6

Team: Swansea City 6-5 Torino
Tactics & formation: Swansea City 4-5 Torino
Subs: Swansea City 1-2 Torino
+2 points for home team
Total: Swansea City 13-12 Torino (3-3)

Voter 7

Team: 4-7
Tactics & formation: 4-5
Subs: 2-1
+2 points for home team
Total: 12-13 (3-3)

MOTM - Belotti
Comments - Belotti is going to be a mismatch in this league until far stronger defenders are brought in. The rest of the Torino attack isn't great, but he's lethal and will win so many games on his own

Voter 8

Swansea vs Torino

Team: Team A 3, Team B 8
Tactics & Formation: Team A 4 Team B 5
Subs: Team A 1, Team B 2
Home ADV +2

Team A 10pts
Team B 15pts (3-4)

To a man the away side is the better unit

Voter 9

Team - Swansea 5, Torino 6
Tactic - Swansea 5, Torino 4
Subs - Swansea 1, Torino 2
Home Advantage +2
Total: 11-12 (3-3)

Voter 10

Team: Swansea 4-7 Torino
Tactics & formation: 3-6
Subs: 1-2
+2 points for home team
Total: 10-15 (3-4)

Goalscorers:
Assists:
MOTM:
Comments:Strong teams, this Torino team could be hard to beat in the opening few weeks as they are clearly one of the strongest starting squads.

Results so far

Celta Vigo 2-0 PSV

Goals: Aspas, Sandro
Assists: Hernandez
MOTM: Romeu


RB Leipzig 2-1 Atalanta

Goals: Diaz, Asensio - Rashford
Assists: Forsberg - Mendy
MOTM: Keita

Swansea 1-3 Torino

Goals: Sigurdsson - Belotti x 2, Falque
Assists: Ljajic, Iturbe
MOTM: Belotti

What happened to the rest

I wasn't 100% sure how to calculate the final results Bam. I put an hour and 20 minutes into just posting those 3 matches as i had to reformat peoples results and calculate totals for people. There was also a couple of occasions where the points given were more than the total for that sections for example 9 given in subs when only 3 are allowed for that section. If we are to continue to do this i need help by people following the format as best they can, i realise time is precious but it would be a lot smoother for myself if there was just a little extra time taken to calculate results. I can divide the results by 4, that's not the time consuming part, its the formatting like i mentioned.

The voting system is just too complicated for me

I wouldn't worry about voting, or posting up everyone's individual votes as the formatting will just be a joke

I'd just do a total of all the votes in each area on a spreadsheet then divide by 4. Any comments can just be posted underneath

I think it should just be three people voting per week.
It's a doable system with that, but it's not feasible with this many people to work.

We can just simply go to give a score for everyone, it'd be nice if people used the formula as at least in their own mind to decide a result though.

I'm happy to use the formula, but think its a hell of a lot of work for Miky or whoever to put that into something that is easily readable

That's why I'd just total it and post the total - I think we can all trust Miky not to fudge the results

All need to post is just the end line from each person tbh eg

14-11 = +1A
12-13 = 0
10-15 = +2B
16-9 = +2A
13-12 = 0
12-13 = 0
15-10 = +2A
14-11 = +1A
12-13 = 0
12-13 = 0
_____

Result 2-1 to Team A

For week 2 is this easier?

Everyone simply copy the fixtures below:

PSV v Ajax
Nice v Real Sociedad
Watford v Hoffenheim
Torino v Marseille
Atalanta v Swansea
Celta Vigo v RB Leipzig

Then base their scoring on the team/tactics/sub/home advantage formula to split the 25 total points and send the head judge just:

PSV v Ajax 15-10
Nice v Real Sociedad (my game)
Watford v Hoffenheim 16-9
Torino v Marseille 12-13
Atalanta v Swansea 14-11
Celta Vigo v RB Leipzig 17-8

No it's worse.
The reason for this points system is that we want to know if it's tactics or team that makes us win or lose.
If anything I'd be more interested in a combined Tactics score and a combined XI score

Is the format difficult to follow though? Not really..

All people have to do is put the nunbers in against tactics formation etc and then total it including home adv. Hero wrote out the structure for us

Leipzig-Atlanta
Team: 7 – 8 < Is that not wrong?
Tactics & formation: 3 – 3
Subs: 1 – 4
+2 points for home team
Total: 13 – 15 (3-4)


Ill be honest this seems more complicated then it needs to be.

11 team points to be split between the two teams.
9 tactics/formation points to be split
3 subs points to be split
and 2 points to the home team.

That is it.

It's not complicated Nando mate.

I think people have gotten confused on what the scoring is for each section. What Hero put above is easy enough. The voting structure is so easy to stick to its unreal, Hero even wrote it out for us. The only thing that would make it easier is if we made it blank after each section instead of Team A and Team B.

I got a few sets of tactics not in that format with different scores for each set, some were way over the allocated scores for the section. I still have to go through the rest of the games tonight and do the same again. I had to add home advantage into peoples totals and into the post so we know it was added. Just little things like that.

The point im making is that if the formatting is correct and people spent a tiny bit longer just getting the first bit right, i would be happy to lead vote each week to get it done. Everyone mentions having the time, i struggle to see anyone (bar maybe Hero) doing what i did last night and taking that time out if they are as busy as they say.

I don't really get why we've even changed system for voting tbf. It was fine the way it was.

I was happy with it, others though wanted a clear decision being made on tactics and players etc.

I was happy with anything, just wanted a league.

The votes will be staying the same for the time being. If it does get too difficult which it shouldnt do then we can talk about it further on.

I might start reducing bonuses for not using formats correctly though if that continues. I dont think its unfair to say its easy to use. Noted what you have said though Nando.

I get the system, just think its too much work for the lead voter to put together, which is why its taken Miky so long to do 3 games

Fernando wrote:Leipzig-Atlanta
Team: 7 – 8 < Is that not wrong?
Tactics & formation: 3 – 3
Subs: 1 – 4
+2 points for home team
Total: 13 – 15 (3-4)


Ill be honest this seems more complicated then it needs to be.

The only thing right there is the +2pts for the home team, the rest is soooooo wrong

It did take me a while yes Bam but most of the reason for that was due to having to go and recalculate peoples votes etc

Hero wrote:11 team points to be split between the two teams (6-5, 7-4, 8-3, the total must always be 11.
9 tactics/formation points to be split (5-4, 6-3, 7-2, the total must always be 9)
3 subs points to be split  (It is about Subs MADE, not how strong the Subs bench is. If one team makes Subs and the other doesn't then it's 3-0 points to the team that did. If both teams make Subs then split the points between the teams eg 2-1 or 1-2). If both teams don't make Subs,  both get ZERO points. 
and 2 points to the home team.

That is it.

Made it easier to understand.

Hope the above helps those that didn't understand it, bloody understand it now 

The voting system was the main thing that put me off playing tbh

There is always going to be teething problems at the start. Understand that Afro but im determined to make it work which means work from voters too and people in the league.

I think that is the right approach Miky. Not saying its wrong, saying its one of the main reasons I didn't play.

I'm a simple man, who likes simplicity. Its easier to understand, takes less time and you spend less time explaining it.

You did though also want more influence towards tactics in voting which this emphasizes.

Hero wrote:You did though also want more influence towards tactics in voting which this emphasizes.

I know, just said the same to Trebs. Not saying I have the answer!

I admire the idea behind it.

Think would better if did it without the numbers

So go something like

Atlanta vs Torino

Team - Torino
Tactics - Atlanta
Subs - Torino

Torino win 2-1

Not sure home advantage is worth anything anymore either really unless your Bayern/Barca/Juve or Madrid.

Subs though shouldn't have the same weighting as team which is why there's points to it.

Sure but then again i don't agree with team being 11 pts. Might aswell go for names on a sheet rather then anything else.

Tactics & Formation should be alot higher then a team sheet imo.

Fernando wrote:Sure but then again i don't agree with team being 11 pts. Might aswell go for names on a sheet rather then anything else.

Tactics & Formation should be alot higher then a team sheet imo.

Ditto this

Surely should be fairly even. Put Guiseley against Chelsea and no matter how good the Guseley tactics are they will lose 9/10.

Hero will be pleased you said that lubo

I think the allocations are fine as they are.

Marseille v Watford

Voter 1

Team: Marseilles 7 – Watford 4
Tactics & formation: 5-4
Subs: 0-3
+2 points for home team
Total: 14-11 (4-3 result)

Voter 2

Team: Marseille 7-4 Watford
Tactics & formation: Marseille 5-4 Watford
Subs: Marseille 0-3 Watford
+2 points for home team
Total: Marseille 14-11 Watford (+1 win for Marseille)

Voter 3

Teams - Marseille 5 Watford 6
T&F -  Marseille 6 Watford 3
Subs -  Marseille 0 Watford 3
+2pts home advantage Marseille
Marseille 13 Watford 12
Marseille have a good attack but their defence needs improving. Watford need more pace in their team and the front two would not work well imo

Voter 4

Team: Marseille 7-4 Watford
Tactics & formation: Marseille 4-5 Watford
Subs: Marseille 0-3 Watford
+2 points for home team
Total: Marseille 13-12 Watford

Voter 5

Team: 6 -5
Tactics & formation: 3-6
Subs: 0-3
+2 points for home team
Total: 11-14

MOTM - Niang
Comments - On paper Marseille are the better side, but Watford's long ball tactic is just going to shake them up a bit defensively with them slightly lacking at CB. Niang and co will compete physically and win knock downs, and I think they'll take this

Voter 6

Team: Team A 5, Team B 6
Tactics & Formation: Team A 6 Team B 3
Subs: Team B 3 -only side to make subs
Home ADV +2

Team A 13pts
Team B 12pts

Really tight game this draw probs about right

Voter 7

Team - marseille 8, watford 3
Tactic - marseille 5,watford 4
Subs - marseille 0, watford 3 - He used them
+2 Home
Total: 13-10

Voter 8

Team: Marseille 7 – 4 Watford
Tactics & formation: Marseille 5 – 4 Watford
Subs: Marseille 0–3 Watford
+2 points for home team
Total: Marseille 14 – 11 Watford

Voter 9

Team: Marseille 7 – 4 Watford
Tactics & formation: Marseille 7 - 2 Watford
Subs: Marseille 0 - 3 Watford
+2 points for home team
Total: Marseile 16 – 9 Watford

Voter 10

Team: 7-4
Tactics and form: 4-4
Subs: 0-3
Home ADV +2
Total: 13-11

Result -: Marseille 2-0

Team obviously counts more than tactics, don't really see how you could justify the opposite. Tactics in general are massively overrated, generally a team just tweaks around a designed plan throughout the season. Wholesale changes like going to a back 3 or something are rarely done on the fly.

Hoffenheim v Nice


Voter 1

Team: Hoffenheim 5 – Atalanta 6
Tactics & formation: 2-7
Subs: 0-3
+2 points for home team
Total: 9-16 (3-4 result)

Goalscorers: Isak x3; Abraham x4
Assists: Amiri x3; Cyprien x4
MOTM: Cyprien

Voter 2

Hoffenheim vs Nice
Team: 5-6
Tactics & formation: 3-6
Subs: 0-3
+2 Home
Total: 10-15

Can't give Hoffenheim any subs points as they didn't name any or what they were going to do. Think Nice have a marginally better side but were well set up tactically to win the game.

Voter 3

Hoffenheim 4 Nice 7
T&F - Hoffenheim 4 Nice 5
Subs - Hoffenheim 0 Nice 3
Hoffenheim 2pts home advantage
Hoffenheim 10 Nice 15
Not too familiar with Hoffenheim's CB's tbh but I like their full backs a lot. Nice have a strong midfield 3 but need better wingbacks

Voter 4


Team: Hoffenheim 6 – 5 Nice
Tactics & formation: Hoffenheaim 4 – 5 Nice
Subs: Hoffenheim 0 - 3 Nice
+2 points for home team
Total: Hoffenheim 12 – 13 Nice

Voter 5

hoffenheim-nice
team: 7-4
tactics: 3-6
subs: 0-3
Home +2
total: 12-13

Voter 6

Team: Hoffenheim 6-5 Nice
Tactics & formation: Hoffenheim 3-6 Nice
Subs: Hoffenheim 0-3 Nice
+2 points for home team
Total: Hoffenheim 11-14 Nice

Voter 7

Hoffenheim - Nice


Team: 5 -6
Tactics & formation: 5-4
Subs: 0-3
+2 points for home team
Total: 12-13

MOTM - Seri
Comments - Think Nice have the quality in the middle of the park to control the game, and Plea is enough of a threat to take advantage of the CB weakness for Hoff

Voter 8

The Hoff vs Nice

Team: Team A 4, Team B 7
Tactics & Formation: Team A 5 Team B 4
Subs: Team B 3 – only ones again.
Home ADV +2

Team A 11pts
Team B 14pts

Voter 9

Team: Hoffenheim 6 – 5 Nice
Tactics & formation: Hoffenheim 4 – 5 Nice
Subs: Hoffenheim 0 – 3 Nice
+2 points for home team
Total: Hoffenheim 12 – 13 Nice


Voter 10

Team: Hoffenheim 5-6 Nice
Tactics & Formation: Hoffenheim 4-5 Nice
Subs: Hoffenheim 0-3 Nice
+2 Home
Total: 11-14

Nice start from both teams personnel wise but a lot of building to do, think Hero's side will take advantage of Hoffenheim however not a walk over by any means.

Result-: Hoffenheim 0-3 Nice

Real Sociedad v Ajax

Voter 1

Team: Sociedad 6 – Ajax 5
Tactics & formation: 5-4
Subs: 2-1
+2 points for home team
Total: 16-10 (4-3 result)

Goalscorers: Origi x4; Veltman x3
Assists: Vela x4; Onana x3
MOTM: Vela

Voter 2

Team:Sociedad 4 –7 Ajax
Tactics & Formation: Sociedad 4-5  Ajax
Subs:Sociedad 2-1 Ajax
+2 points for home team
Total: 12-13

Voter 3

Sociedad vs Ajax
Team 5-6
Tactics 6-3
Subs 1-2
+2 Home
Total: 13-11

Two decent, energetic sides here and it's very difficult to split them. I would have put the formation slightly differently for Ajax, as a 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-3. Under normal rules I'd give a draw.

Voter 4

Sociedad 5 Ajax 6
T&F - Sociedad 3 Ajax 6
Subs -  Sociedad 1 Ajax 2
+2pts home advantage Sociedad
Sociedad 11 Ajax 14
Sociedad need better fullbacks and a better CB partner for Martinez. Ajax need to improve in CM think they midfield 3 would get destroyed against better sides.

Voter 5

Team: Sociedad 7 – 4 Ajax
Tactics & formation: Sociedad 5 – 4 Ajax
Subs: Sociedad 2 – 1 Ajax
+2 points for home team
Total: Sociedad 16 – 9 Ajax

Voter 6

real sociedad-ajax
team: 5-6
tactics: 4-5
subs: 1-2
+2 Home
total: 12-15

Voter 7

Team: Real Sociedad 7-4 Ajax
Tactics & formation: Real Sociedad 5-4 Ajax
Subs: Real Sociedad 1-2 Ajax
+2 points for home team
Total: Real Sociedad 15-10 Ajax

Voter 8

Team - Sociedad 5, Ajax 6
Tactic - Sociedad 6, Ajax 3
Subs - Sociedad 1, Ajax 2 - need instructions
+2 Home
Total: 13-11

Voter 9

Team: Real Sociedad 5 – 6 Ajax
Tactics & formation: Real Sociedad 5 – 4 Ajax
Subs: Real Sociedad 1 – 2 Ajax
+2 points for home team
Total: Real Sociedad 13 – 12 Ajax

Voter 10

Team: Real Sociedad 6-5 Ajax
Tactics & Formation: Real Sociedad 5-4 Ajax
Subs: 1-2
+2 Home
Total: 14-11

Good game. I feel like Sociedad really played to the strengths of the squad with Wanyama in there holding the middle ground as the tactics say. Bam has a job on with Ajax with some nice young talent in there i feel he needs to continue to bring in some big players to work with them.

Result: Real Sociedad 2-1 Ajax

Official Results:

Celta Vigo 2-0 PSV

Goals: Aspas, Sandro
Assists: Hernandez
MOTM: Romeu


RB Leipzig 2-1 Atalanta

Goals: Diaz, Asensio - Rashford
Assists: Forsberg - Mendy
MOTM: Keita

Swansea 1-3 Torino

Goals: Sigurdsson - Belotti x 2, Falque
Assists: Ljajic, Iturbe
MOTM: Belotti

Marseille 2-0 Watford FC (Picked by Hero)

Goals:Cabella, Ben Yedder
Assists: Sanson
MOTM:Lopez

Hoffenheim 0-3 Nice

Goals:Plea, Abraham, Koziello
Assists:Koziello, Cyprien
MOTM:Koziello

Real Sociedad 2-1 Ajax

Goals: Origi, Vela - Dolberg
Assists:Vela
MOTM:Vela

do we all have to do votes like miky did this week? cos quite frankly as it is i dont have the time too

I will be head voter but on a condition that people use the correct formatting and actually calculate totals for me and include home advantage in that.