Glasgow 2nds vs Leinster 2nds, 19:35 3rd November 2017

by Hazel Sapling Mon 30 Oct 2017, 5:07 pm

Glasgow 2nd XV vs Leinster 2nd XV
Scotstoun Stadium

KO: 19:35
Referee – Stuart Berry (SARU), Assistant Referees – Sam Grove-White, Lloyd Linton (both SRU), TMO, Jim Yuille (SRU)
TV: BBC Alba

Glasgow

Bhatti
Turner
Rae
Cummings
Swimson
Harley
Gibbins (c)
M. Fagerson

G. Horne
P. Horne
Matawalu
Johnson
Grigg
Massaga
Jackson

MacArthur
Allan
Nicol
Wynne
Smith
Pyrgos
Dunbar
Sarto

Leinster

E. Byrne
Cronin
Bent
Molony
M. Kearney
Fardy
Murphy
Deegan

Gibson-Park
R. Byrne
O'Brien
O'Loughlin
D. Kearney
A. Byrne
Larmour

Strauss
Dooley
Porter
Murphy
Leavy
McCarthy
Marsh
Keenan

Both teams will be shorn of their most important players as Glasgow try to avenge their defeat in the ERCC.

Glasgow are undefeated, have 5 bonus points in 7 matches and have conceded the least points in the league.

Leinster are the second most stingy team in the league and have lost only once away to the Cheetahs. They have 3 bonus points from 6 wins.

by Hazel Sapling Mon 30 Oct 2017, 5:15 pm

Not as good as GC, but something to start the discussion. Probably will hinge on players returning from their respective national team set-ups.

Wildly guessing on who will be made available:
Allan, MacArthur, Rae, Cummings, Peterson, Wynne, Gibbins, Fagerson
G Horne, Hastings; Matawalu, Johnson, Grigg, Masaga, Thomson

Malcolm, Grant, Nicol, Harley, Smith then no idea on the backs (McDowell? Yawayawa?)

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 30 Oct 2017, 5:29 pm

Harley will start at 6 and be captain

by thebandwagonsociety Tue 31 Oct 2017, 11:43 am

Comfortable 5 pointer for Glasgow. Leinster overloaded their squad last week against Ulster as it was a conference head2head. We'll be lucky to have 2nds taking the field.

by the-goon Tue 31 Oct 2017, 12:38 pm

Who gets released will give an indication as to who will make the Irish 23.

I'd say we will see something like:

Dooley
Cronin
Bent
Moloney
Fardy
Jordie Murphy
Deegan
VDFlier (or is he injured)- otherwise possibly one of Leavy/Ruddock- otherwise an academy BR
Park (hopefully McCarthy)
Ross Byrne
Adam Byrne (I think he will be released)/Lamour
Reid
ROL
D Kearney (released as well)/Lamour
James Lowe (he is ready?)/Lamour

Byrne
Byrne
Porter (released)
Kearney
One of the above backrowers
Park or McCarthy
Marsh
Any back 3 player

by **George Carlin** Tue 31 Oct 2017, 2:34 pm

the-goon wrote:Who gets released will give an indication as to who will make the Irish 23.

I'd say we will see something like:

Dooley
Cronin
Bent
Moloney
Fardy
Jordie Murphy
Deegan
VDFlier (or is he injured)- otherwise possibly one of Leavy/Ruddock- otherwise an academy BR
Park (hopefully McCarthy)
Ross Byrne
Adam Byrne (I think he will be released)/Lamour
Reid
ROL
D Kearney (released as well)/Lamour
James Lowe (he is ready?)/Lamour

Byrne
Byrne
Porter (released)
Kearney
One of the above backrowers
Park or McCarthy
Marsh
Any back 3 player

Might there really be 4 players in a match day 23 called Byrne?

Staggering lack of imagination amongst the ladyboys.

by **George Carlin** Tue 31 Oct 2017, 2:36 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:Not as good as GC, but something to start the discussion. Probably will hinge on players returning from their respective national team set-ups.

Wildly guessing on who will be made available:
Allan, MacArthur, Rae, Cummings, Peterson, Wynne, Gibbins, Fagerson
G Horne, Hastings; Matawalu, Johnson, Grigg, Masaga, Thomson

Malcolm, Grant, Nicol, Harley, Smith then no idea on the backs (McDowell? Yawayawa?)

That would be a superb backline to have during an international window.

I presume that 9-15 could also include the Mighty Rhubarb and the Selkirk Pixie.

Do we know if Toonie will release unused players back to their clubs? Be nice to see Rob Harley back too.

by the-goon Tue 31 Oct 2017, 3:24 pm

Yeah, in a game last year Byrne put in a crossfield kick for Byrne, who offloaded to Byrne to score.

by jimbopip Tue 31 Oct 2017, 6:06 pm

Hush hush, whisper who dares...Alex Dunbar's at the foot of the stairs. Very Happy

Yes in my new found regality as King Of The Luvvies (thanks Admin Boy) I decree that Dunbar-Johnson will be the centres on Friday. king

by **George Carlin** Tue 31 Oct 2017, 6:10 pm

the-goon wrote:Yeah, in a game last year Byrne put in a crossfield kick for Byrne, who offloaded to Byrne to score.

by Hazel Sapling Tue 31 Oct 2017, 7:15 pm

Not sure I want to see Harley start, but 21st is likely right. Cummings could easily be getting a debut against Samoa so see him at lock. Don't know who is left in that department.

Looks like Glasgow will have the better side going into this with both benches struggling without releases. The last couple of years Glasgow would find a way to lose these. Allan, Rae, and Jonhson should be fired up to show why they deserve a late call-up.

by Pot Hale Wed 01 Nov 2017, 10:57 pm

George Carlin wrote:
the-goon wrote:Yeah, in a game last year Byrne put in a crossfield kick for Byrne, who offloaded to Byrne to score.

I remember that - the crowd around me had a good giggle at that one.

It’ll be awful confusing if Conor, Jimmy and Tommy O’Brien make their way through the academy to join Sean on the pitch. Just like SOB, Tommy O’Brien knows how to tackle.

by Pot Hale Wed 01 Nov 2017, 11:47 pm

the-goon wrote:Who gets released will give an indication as to who will make the Irish 23.

I'd say we will see something like:

Dooley
Cronin
Bent
Moloney
Fardy
Jordie Murphy
Deegan
VDFlier (or is he injured)- otherwise possibly one of Leavy/Ruddock- otherwise an academy BR
Park (hopefully McCarthy)
Ross Byrne
Adam Byrne (I think he will be released)/Lamour
Reid
ROL
D Kearney (released as well)/Lamour
James Lowe (he is ready?)/Lamour

Byrne
Byrne
Porter (released)
Kearney
One of the above backrowers
Park or McCarthy
Marsh
Any back 3 player

Good shout.

I reckon Richardt Strauss might get another run out this week, along with Bryan Byrne and Ed Byrne. Porter needs more game time at TH as opposed to Bent. Ross Molony and Scott Fardy should be a good combo behind them. I agree on Jordi Murphy and Max Deegan in the backrow. Leavy is carrying a knock according to the Monday injury update. Van Der Flier is not in the Ireland squad so he should be packing down at 7.
Gibson Park should start and have Ross Byrne outside him. Rory O’ Loughlin in midfield makes sense, but Reid is on a HIA assessment so could miss out - Tom Daly instead? McFadden had a hamstring issue but if he comes through might be put in centre.

It would be interesting if they put Lowe out so quickly but unlikely. So Daly and Larmour for me.

Full-back? Nacewa out. Rob Kearney and Joey Carbery with Ireland squad. Hmmm.

by stevetynant Thu 02 Nov 2017, 7:31 am

Thought VDF was out for up to 6 weeks after an Op?

by the-goon Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:44 am

Also, Tom Daly is out for the season I think. We might have to put Lamour at 13, and ROL at 12.

by the-goon Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:53 am

Anyway, team will be named today.

by Mad for Chelsea Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:33 pm

Teams out:

Glasgow: Bhatti Turner Rae, Cummings Swimson, Harley Gibbins (c) M. Fagerson, G. Horne P. Horne, Johnson Grigg, Matawalu Massaga Jackson. Bench is MacArthur Allan Nicol Wynne Smith Pyrgos Dunbar Sarto.

Leinster: E. Byrne Cronin Bent, Molony M. Kearney, Fardy Murphy Deegan, Gibson-Park R. Byrne, O'Brien O'Loughlin, D. Kearney A. Byrne Larmour. Bench is Strauss Dooley Porter Murphy Leavy McCarthy Marsh Keenan.

Great to see Dunbar back, some of the selections given the Scotland squad are a little surprising. In particular I'm surprised Bhatti is starting, given he's one of only two LHs in the Scotland squad.

by thebandwagonsociety Thu 02 Nov 2017, 4:48 pm

Interesting line up for Leinster. Definitely into the thirds in places. Don't know Conor O'Brien at all in the centres. If Larmour keeps the head down and works hard he could make a lot of players uncomfortable about their place in the starting side next season.

Leinster are playing Fardy in the backrow (where he is international Oz class). We've two flankers on the bench, so the view has to be to shift Fardy into the second row if cover is needed. Overall its a big-boy-back-five-in-the-pack.

So that makes me think Leo wants a tight close quarters game. But it's on a perfect surface and Glasgow like to run down the outside channels and offload. I think Leinster have set themselves up for defeat before even stepping onto the field to start the game.

by Pot Hale Thu 02 Nov 2017, 8:00 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:Interesting line up for Leinster. Definitely into the thirds in places. Don't know Conor O'Brien at all in the centres. If Larmour keeps the head down and works hard he could make a lot of players uncomfortable about their place in the starting side next season.

Leinster are playing Fardy in the backrow (where he is international Oz class). We've two flankers on the bench, so the view has to be to shift Fardy into the second row if cover is needed. Overall its a big-boy-back-five-in-the-pack.

So that makes me think Leo wants a tight close quarters game. But it's on a perfect surface and Glasgow like to run down the outside channels and offload. I think Leinster have set themselves up for defeat before even stepping onto the field to start the game.

I don’t know about that. Park, Byrne, Kearney, O’Brien, O’Loughlin, Byrne, Larmour. There’s youth but plenty of zip in that backline.

Looking forward to see how Max Deegan goes. Potentially another great prospect who needs game time.

by Hazel Sapling Thu 02 Nov 2017, 8:59 pm

Is Petersen injured? If not, he ought to be frustrated not getting a chance. Annoyed to get Cummings back. Wanted him up against Samoa.

That is a strong front 5 to start with a drop off if Harley goes into the 2nd row. Gibbins as captain sums up Rennie's opinion. Interesting to see how he gets on in that role. Looking forward to seeing how it gets on. Could easily see a Wynne-Smith-Fagerson back row.

The backs are loaded for pace with big boys in Dunbar and Sarto to come on. Horne & Horne half backs will be an interesting dynamic. Hopefully it spurs them on (not in a hero ball way).

This is going to be a fun match.

by the_fugitive Thu 02 Nov 2017, 11:24 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
thebandwagonsociety wrote:Interesting line up for Leinster. Definitely into the thirds in places. Don't know Conor O'Brien at all in the centres. If Larmour keeps the head down and works hard he could make a lot of players uncomfortable about their place in the starting side next season.

Leinster are playing Fardy in the backrow (where he is international Oz class). We've two flankers on the bench, so the view has to be to shift Fardy into the second row if cover is needed. Overall its a big-boy-back-five-in-the-pack.

So that makes me think Leo wants a tight close quarters game. But it's on a perfect surface and Glasgow like to run down the outside channels and offload. I think Leinster have set themselves up for defeat before even stepping onto the field to start the game.

I don’t know about that. Park, Byrne, Kearney, O’Brien, O’Loughlin, Byrne, Larmour. There’s youth but plenty of zip in that backline.

Looking forward to see how Max Deegan goes. Potentially another great prospect who needs game time.

Hi all first post and nice to join you.
I'm not sure how this will go. Leinster keep it tight and accurate. Glasgow throw it about and if it sticks they can be devastating. I think Leinster's pragmatism will be too much for the flamboyant Warriors, but it will be intriguing and probably a good deal closer than two weeks ago. I see it's sold out and was wondering if any generous Weedgies had any hints for some tickets? I got to the game last week thanks to someone dropping out of a corporate and it was a great experience as a neutral, it's a real shame the team seem to have outgrown their stadium.

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:38 am

Welcome fugitive! Given that you say you're a neutral and call yourself the fugitive I'm assuming you aren't actually from Dumbarton??

by jimbopip Fri 03 Nov 2017, 9:18 am

Welcome Fugitive, if you're buying tickets for the match steer clear of the one armed man: he's a real bandit. drumroll

by **George Carlin** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 3:54 pm

Welcome Mr/Ms Fugee.

That's a remarkable good Glasgow side during an international window. It makes my head fall off that our 3 x backline replacements are arguably first choice in their test positions for their national sides.

by jimbopip Fri 03 Nov 2017, 5:58 pm

To continue the strength in depth line; Vunisa starts a club match tomorrow so should be in contention soon. Very Happy

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:40 pm

Glasgow scrum absolutely annihilated - doesn't bode well for Scotland's reserve front row!

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:47 pm

All a bit too easy for Leinster in attack!

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:51 pm

4 tries in 15 minutes??

by tigertattie Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:57 pm

Mental game.

Surely nico couldn't do that and pick the ball up after he placed it. Surely he's offside?

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:58 pm

Pretty poor refereeing decision that led to that yellow and Glasgow's opportunity on Leinster's line. They won the breakdown penalty because the Glasgow 3 took Jordi Murphy off the ball with a no arms tackle.

by tigertattie Fri 03 Nov 2017, 7:59 pm

Could George Horne be playing himself into Toonies squad?

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:00 pm

Great game so far though.

by tigertattie Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:01 pm

My god. 6 tries 24 mins.

Bonus point already for Glasgow

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:01 pm

This game is mad. What a try!

by Eejit Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:01 pm

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

by Pot Hale Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:07 pm

This is mad, Ted.

by Pot Hale Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:08 pm

Taking a penalty kick? Very poor.

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:09 pm

Sensible - got the 4 tries might as well just keep building the lead. Going to be a lot more tries in this game!

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:11 pm

Why can Leinster not defend?

by Pot Hale Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:15 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Why can Leinster not defend?

Trying to play SH style man....

by tigertattie Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:15 pm

I'm still scratching my head at Nico's picking the ball up after being tackled.....

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:17 pm

O'Brien is having a pretty horrible debut...must be about 3 or 4 knock ons at this point.

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:18 pm

tigertattie wrote:I'm still scratching my head at Nico's picking the ball up after being tackled.....

He completely let go of the ball, stood back up and picked it up again. Leinster didn't even notice, it was very, very clever.

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:18 pm

Horne playing well but his kicking from hand has been bad!

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:21 pm

Very important for Glasgow to have not conceded there. What a half!

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:23 pm

Leinster need to make sure they come out of the dressing room without JGP. He has been awful, absolutely awful.

by jimbopip Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:25 pm

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of Niko Shocked

Actually it's The Second Coming, isn't it? Cool

Only Nio could upstage Jesus.

by TJ Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:25 pm

tigertattie wrote:Mental game.

Surely nico couldn't do that and pick the ball up after he placed it. Surely he's offside?

Nah - its fine. tackled. release the ball, pick it up again and off you go.

by **RDW** Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:34 pm

That was such a squint lineout - what is the point in touch judges if they let that go??

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 03 Nov 2017, 8:38 pm

Leinster didn't heed my advice. JGP still hurtling the ball at top speed into players right beside him.

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