Wales and Scotland are big meanies - Discuss

First topic message reminder :

Oct 31, Tuesday morning, World Rugby plans to announce who is the recommended host country for RWC 2023. The recommendation is contained in a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who have pored through every detail of the three bids. Apparently they've looked at everything from travel times, to accommodation, stadia facilities, and how long the queues would be for the loo.

Bookies had Ireland as favourites but their odds have lengthened slightly. Bill Beaumont and Agustin Pichot were given the report last Friday. The full document will be released to media today Oct 31, to maintain transparency and integrity of the bid process.

All the WR unions, except the three bidders, will vote on who should get it on November 15. It's a secret ballot, but the likelihood of a vote going against the recommendation would cause more than a few raised eyebrows. It could still happen though.

There could be a lot of glum faces by midday in either Dublin, or Paris or Cape Town.

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Nov 15, Wednesday, World Rugby plans to announce who the World Rugby Council of Unions have voted in favour to be host country for RWC 2023.  The various unions can relay on a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who pored through every detail of the three bids. And they said that any of the three bidders could host the RWC but based on their scoring, their recommendation was South Africa.

Irelamd didn’t get the RWC.

Snot fair.

Scottrf wrote:

SecretFly wrote:TWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - TWP (English)
DWP (Welsh) - Google Translate - DWP (English)

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Is Google Translate broken?

Don't capitalise it...

Oh I got it anyway, Scott - it's kind of explained in small print below the main title windows...but just curious that the Welsh word doesn't appear as an English meaning, even though the Translator obviously knows the meaning given what I said about the small-pint stuff beneath the main boxes.

Well, marty, you see the thing is, you come on here and just disagree with any of the slightest thing I mention on here, anything, if I came on here and started a topic about how tomorrow is Wednesday, no doubt you would find a way of countering it.

You are not always right, all the time.

LordDowlais wrote:Well, marty, you see the thing is, you come on here and just disagree with any of the slightest thing I mention on here, anything, if I came on here and started a topic about how tomorrow is Wednesday, no doubt you would find a way of countering it.

You are not always right, all the time.

I can't help you being wrong so often or constantly dragging up the same arguments you were wrong about before

You came on here today telling Collapse to let it go after he posted an SA article saying they have issues with SA hosting the WC

Then you started in on me calling me a pleb and stupid but lacked the stones to do the second part directly

Like I said, you are not always right.

Marty, is a know-it-all Pleb!??

The worst kind and I should know..... I'm surrounded by yis!

SecretFly wrote:Marty, is a know-it-all Pleb!??  

The worst kind and I should know.....  I'm surrounded by yis!

It's all that reading on socialism that does it to you

The old LD debating trick.

Comes up with nonsense, falsehoods etc and then when the error of his ways turns the whole thing round to a tangential topic rather than address the matter in hand.

Been doing it on here since this board started

What is the matter in hand on here then geoff ?

Matter in hand?:

.....Tomorrow's vote that hasn't happened yet  (at least here, it may have already taken place in New Zealand).... but Ireland and it's followers should still hoist the white flag in advance of the vote like good gentlemen.

Is that it?

Out of curiosity, why would wales and scotland NOT vote for the irish bid?

From a logistics perspective its closer, better for their travelling supporters and more advantageous for their rugby teams.

From another perspective it sets a precedent for them being able to successfully bid in the future as small countries.

catchweight wrote:Out of curiosity, why would wales and scotland NOT vote for the irish bid?

From a logistics perspective its closer, better for their travelling supporters and more advantageous for their rugby teams.

From another perspective it sets a precedent for them being able to successfully bid in the future as small countries.

With that said, if they were to vote for Ireland then attempted to host and got the nod from WR in the assessment process it could go against them?

If SA get the nod tomorrow, a unified Celtic bid may be the a solution for everyone and establish themselves as hosts for the future

The same reason they were afraid to come over and play in the early seventies. This example is also why the dreaded English are supporting Ireland. Because it is right and the decent thing to do.


It’s a jealousy inferiority complex thing as faux celts being the junior partners as celts and their masters on the island of Britain. Good luck to them

marty2086 wrote:

catchweight wrote:Out of curiosity, why would wales and scotland NOT vote for the irish bid?

From a logistics perspective its closer, better for their travelling supporters and more advantageous for their rugby teams.

From another perspective it sets a precedent for them being able to successfully bid in the future as small countries.

With that said, if they were to vote for Ireland then attempted to host and got the nod from WR in the assessment process it could go against them?

If SA get the nod tomorrow, a unified Celtic bid may be the a solution for everyone and establish themselves as hosts for the future

A unified 'Celtic' bid?!  With a shower of Brutus types that would stab you in the back as quickly as they'd kiss you on the cheek?....
Oh no, not I.  I remember the thrust of the dagger during yonder European Club Rugby War.  We naively thought the 'Celts' would stick 'together' on that one too.  But nope, when the gold seams are there for the digging, the Celts forget they are Celts and do but stab enthusiastically their 'brothers' to get to it, say I.

Honour amongst the Celts?    Let the other Celts vote as they want to vote.  Let it be noted and let Ireland vote for Italy next time and encourage them to bid next time.

Ich bin ein Italiano from here on in!    

It would be interesting know the reasons behind wales and scotland not voting for ireland. Fear of offending world rugby possibly. But surely ireland would be a far more advantagesous location purely from a self interest perspective, even leaving aside the whole celtic brotherhood angle.

catchweight wrote:It would be interesting know the reasons behind wales and scotland not voting for ireland. Fear of offending world rugby possibly. But surely ireland would be a far more advantagesous location purely from a self interest perspective, even leaving aside the whole celtic brotherhood angle.

I think it makes a lot of sense for SRU or WRU not to vote for Ireland. If Ireland win, they've nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Ireland lose, they've everything to gain.

Think about future RWC bids and Scotland's or Wales' ambitions to host them. Are they ever likely to host on their own? No - they don't have the infrastructure. So the only option would be a combined bid. Combine options would be nearest neighbours. England is off the list and anyway they can do it pretty much on their own. So Ireland is their best chance of a combo-host under the "Celtic" banner. If Ireland get to host it now, then there's two chances of hosting opportunities coming this way anytime in the next 20 years. So knock Ireland out, put manners on them, and tell them 'remember your mates the next time, if you want to go for it. We might even let you have the semi-final in Croker'

Paddy Stew with the ole TaffJock one-two.

Sounds like an unbelievably petty approach and surefire way to prevent any co-peration with the IRFU in the future.

Not to mention sacrificing the interests of their own national team and fans.

catchweight wrote:Sounds like an unbelievably petty approach and surefire way to prevent any co-peration with the IRFU in the future.

Not to mention sacrificing the interests of their own national team and fans.

Petty? Politically savvy possibly. I'd say the Welsh team would far prefer to be bivouacced in Cape Town, rather than traipsing through the sights of urban Tralee.

I've been looking forward to an SA World Cup since the interested parties were revealed. Just got to save now (and hope my lady is ok with it - we're already on for Japan, maybe!).

catchweight wrote:Out of curiosity, why would wales and scotland NOT vote for the irish bid?

From a logistics perspective its closer, better for their travelling supporters and more advantageous for their rugby teams.

From another perspective it sets a precedent for them being able to successfully bid in the future as small countries.

A 3 or 4 week trip to France or SA in 5* hotels is a bit more attractive to their blazers than a Ryanair daytrip to Dublinor Belfast.

Cyril wrote:I've been looking forward to an SA World Cup since the interested parties were revealed. Just got to save now (and hope my lady is ok with it - we're already on for Japan, maybe!).

I'd say a Lions Tour with Eddie Jones in charge would be much better crack for you Cyril.

Sin é wrote:

Cyril wrote:I've been looking forward to an SA World Cup since the interested parties were revealed. Just got to save now (and hope my lady is ok with it - we're already on for Japan, maybe!).

I'd say a Lions Tour with Eddie Jones in charge would be much better crack for you Cyril.

Ideal. We'll both be free after 2019

Cyril wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Cyril wrote:I've been looking forward to an SA World Cup since the interested parties were revealed. Just got to save now (and hope my lady is ok with it - we're already on for Japan, maybe!).

I'd say a Lions Tour with Eddie Jones in charge would be much better crack for you Cyril.

Ideal. We'll both be free after 2019

You talking about Eddie and yourself being free?

Eddie will be a world cup winner (maybe Ireland will want him?). I may need to check my calendar.

Pot Hale wrote:

catchweight wrote:It would be interesting know the reasons behind wales and scotland not voting for ireland. Fear of offending world rugby possibly. But surely ireland would be a far more advantagesous location purely from a self interest perspective, even leaving aside the whole celtic brotherhood angle.

I think it makes a lot of sense for SRU or WRU not to vote for Ireland.   If Ireland win, they've nothing to gain and everything to lose.  If Ireland lose, they've everything to gain.

Think about future RWC bids and Scotland's or Wales' ambitions to host them.  Are they ever likely to host on their own?  No - they don't have the infrastructure.  So the only option would be a combined bid.   Combine options would be nearest neighbours.   England is off the list and anyway they can do it pretty much on their own.   So Ireland is their best chance of a combo-host under the "Celtic" banner.   If Ireland get to host it now, then there's two chances of hosting opportunities coming this way anytime in the next 20 years.   So knock Ireland out, put manners on them, and tell them 'remember your mates the next time, if you want to go for it.  We might even let you have the semi-final in Croker'

Paddy Stew with the ole TaffJock one-two.  

Combined bids aren't looked upon favourably anymore and for good reason. Ireland winning is a good thing for any smaller country hoping to bid successfully and rightly so. Four of the biggest rugby nations in the world are really small countries.

Voting results due to be announced at lunch time today.

May the best country (as decided by a rigorous assessment) win.

Scottrf wrote:May the best country (as decided by a rigorous assessment) win.

Just a pity a rigorous assessment wasn't carried out

Cyril wrote:Eddie will be a world cup winner .

...at gurning - yes. I do see him winning it some year.

Scottrf wrote:May the best country (as decided by a rigorous assessment) win.

May the brown envelopes be circulated ..... as quickly as possible by an IRFU courier! I hear the Welsh want it to be a brown freezer packaging box and then they'll reconsider

Here we go...... drumroll please...

France nick it in the end. Brace yourselves, there's going to be a Poopie storm.

WTF??

I wonder were the queries Ireland brought up about the recommendation a factor in it not going to SA? France were 2nd place in the recommendation so not a complete surprise.

The Compromise Give-Peace-A-Chance Candidate?

France played a blinder with that one.

Oh well, it been a classic week for Ireland as usual - some great news and some bad news.

But it's nice to see a 'Perfume' Capital of the World once again get a BIG event to toy with in their own backyard. Congratulations to the French.

The process is flawed. France hosted 10 years ago. Ridiculous that they can host again before a country that never has.

Golden wrote:I wonder were the queries Ireland brought up about the recommendation a factor in it not going to SA? France were 2nd place in the recommendation so not a complete surprise.

They queried elements of the French bid too, did the letter not mention France not having permission to use the stadiums listed in their bid?

Out of the three remaining bids the one I preferred not to see win. At least we know they can put on a show and it'll be great food!

Ridiculous decision

Excellent choice. If it wasn't going to SA, then it made sense for it to go to France. They have the stadia, cars, running water, food, beds and wine to make this a memorable event.

And what's more, hundreds of NZ, SA and Australian players are now out of a job as France sets about ridding foreign players from its game. Flights to Auckland, Sydney and Cape Town will be booked out by tomorrow.

World Rugby sent out a tweet congratulating all 3 on winning the rights to host it, really rubbing it in

Well closer than SA but not as much fun as Ireland in my humble opinion.
But still a couple of weeks in france watching some quality rugby and drowning in red wine will get me over it.

carpet baboon wrote:Well closer than SA but not as much fun as Ireland in my humble opinion.
But still a couple of weeks in france watching some quality rugby and drowning in red wine will get me over it.

You won't be let in! - The EU are going to be stamping down on foreigners entering their Territory in the lead in to the WC - for the security reasons they promised to uphold to get the thing.
"Where's your European passport?"
"I ..I burned it after the Brexit vote......"
"Transit Camp for this one! - Next"

oops?...I think carpet is Irish? Is he? I never know with some of you.

Objectively speaking France is by far the best equipped to host the tournament. World Rugby tried to fix the process to give South Africa a boost. Not the worst idea but the way they went about trying to swing it was rubbish. The voters took the criteria laid out by World Rugby and ignored the bolloxological conclusions of the report. France was the only choice based on the criteria. We may as well get used to the same host every 16 years as only a select few countries will win given the current process.

SecretFly wrote:oops?...I think carpet is Irish?  Is he?  I never know with some of you.

Yeah got the same passport you, so I can freely strut my wine soaked arse all over the continent now, and in whatever weird future we find ourselves in

Engine#4 wrote:Objectively speaking France is by far the best equipped to host the tournament. World Rugby tried to fix the process to give South Africa a boost. Not the worst idea but the voters took the criteria laid out by World Rugby and ignored their bolloxological conclusions. France was the only choice based on the criteria. We may as  well get used to the same host every 16 years as only a select few countries will win given the current process.

Well then they should just be honest about it and stop the publicity Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Golden Ticket competition that must have taken a lot of money out of the Irish setup to promote and market etc. If they knew smaller countries are now no longer in the running for hosting these things then they should just be honest and give a list of Nations that no longer need to apply.
That will include into the future the best rugby Nation on the planet since virtually the game was invented, New Zealand itself. Now, that's Business - and market forces win out again.

Vive la France.

Thank God it's not South Africa. I would have preferred Ireland, but at least it's the same timezone and at least it does not mean I have to traverse continents.

I will go and watch Wales in France, I would not go to South Africa though.

LordDowlais wrote:Vive la France.

Thank God it's not South Africa. I would have preferred Ireland, but at least it's the same timezone and at least it does not mean I have to traverse continents.

I will go and watch Wales in France, I would not go to South Africa though.

??? South Africa was the safest place on the list according to the boys that knew!!! Why would you not go to SA Lord? Altitude sickness?

Collapse2005 wrote:The process is flawed. France hosted 10 years ago. Ridiculous that they can host again before a country that never has.

Thought your problem was with the SA bid?

SecretFly wrote:??? South Africa was the safest place on the list according to the boys that knew!!! Why would you not go to SA Lord? Altitude sickness?

Because as beautiful a country SA is, I value my belongings, my well being, and mostly my life.

Also, I wonder if France have let Wales use the MS for any of our group games.