Autumn International - Score Predictions

Italy v Fiji - Stadio Angelo Massimino, Catania - Kick off: 2:00pm

Fiji by 12


Scotland vs Samoa - BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh Kick off: 2:30pm

Scotland by 17


England vs Argentina - Twickenham Stadium, London - Kick off: 3:00pm

England by 6


Wales vs Australia - Principality Stadium, Cardiff - Kick off: 5:15pm

Australia by 5


Ireland vs South Africa - Aviva Stadium, Dublin - Kick off: 5:30pm

South Africa by 3


France v New Zealand - Stade de France, Paris - Kick off: 7:45pm

New Zealand by 9

I think Italy-Fiji will be closer, England will win a lot easier and Ireland will win.

Italy by 6
Scotland by 21
England by 6 (Ford to see his yips return)
Wales by 10 (Australia are still gash)
Ireland by 15
New Zealand by 20

cascough wrote:England by 6 (Ford to see his yips return)
Wales by 10 (Australia are still gash)

Australia beat NZ and battered Argentina. If Australia are gash, Argentina are much gasher.

Scottrf wrote:

cascough wrote:England by 6 (Ford to see his yips return)
Wales by 10 (Australia are still gash)

Australia beat NZ and battered Argentina. If Australia are gash, Argentina are much gasher.

Agreed.

I think Fords kicking will let us down, and that will allow ARG to stay in it and raise their game. If we can take the game away from then by 50 mins, I'd expect us to win a lot more comfortably.

Italy 24-28 Fiji
Scotland 30-25 Samoa
England 40-22 Argentina
Wales 20-24 Australia
Ireland 21-24 SA
New Zealand 36-15 France

Italy by 9
Scotland by 15
England by 20
Australia by 14
Ireland by 7
New Zealand by 25

Don't forget Scotland beat Aus in the summer.  So by that logic Scotland are world champs

Argentina are a lot better than their world ranking suggests imo - its distorted by not playing teams other than tri nations very often so they don't get much chance to gain points

Fiji by 4
Scotland by 3
England by 6
Australia by 20
SA by ten
New Zealand by 25
Edited as I changed my mind

TJ wrote:Don't forget Scotland beat Aus in the summer.  So by that logic Scotland are world champs

Argentina are a lot better than their world ranking suggests imo - its distorted by not playing teams other than tri nations very often so they don't get much chance to gain points

It's not about a one of game, or their ranking. They just almost never win rugby matches.

Italy by 5
Scotland by 12
England by 20
Australia by 5
Ireland by 15
NZ by 21

I agree with Scott, they're poor. But first game of the Autumn, they will be up for it and I don't think everything will go smoothly for England. Let's see!

Also Scott, I bet you didn't think you'd be typing "much gasher" today!

cascough wrote:I agree with Scott, they're poor. But first game of the Autumn, they will be up for it and I don't think everything will go smoothly for England. Let's see!

Also Scott, I bet you didn't think you'd be typing "much gasher" today!

Not until I have to describe AWJ's performance at the weekend

Italy by 10.
I reckon this year we'll see the superior coaching of O'Shea start to have a real impact on Italy's performances and results. They should be too well drilled for Fiji.

Scotland by 15.
Scotland may have issues with their front row injuries, but don't think Samoa are the team to expose them, and their backs should have too much. Again, Samoa's first game, so expect them to be a bit disorganised at times.

England by 20.
Argentina's presence in the RC doesn't seem to have had the desired impact. England beat them away from home with essentially their 2nd/3rd team this summer, and at home with a much stronger team I expect a comfortable win.

Australia by 8.
Wales are usually fairly slow starters in the autumn, and while Australia are a bit uneven at the moment, I think they'll have too much.

Ireland by 6.
Tough one to call. SA have shown signs of improvement in the RC after a horror show last AIs, but I think this will be a grind between two similar teams, and Ireland are that bit better drilled IMO.

NZ by 25.
Expect a relatively close first half, but NZ to really turn it on afterwards and pull away in the last quarter.

scottrf - my comment was in response to this "Australia beat NZ and battered Argentina. If Australia are gash, Argentina are much gasher."

Bets that Australia win by a couple of points with a last ditch score?

Italy 26-18 Fiji
Scotland 37-22 Samoa
England 32-24 Argentina
Wales 15-38 Australia - Gats blames it on the Lions.
Ireland 32-24 SA
New Zealand 38-22 France

TJ wrote:scottrf - my comment was in response to this "Australia beat NZ and battered Argentina. If Australia are gash, Argentina are much gasher."

But the logic wasn't just that they beat them. Beating NZ by itself means you're better than any team that wins 1 from 12, no matter the circumstances.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Italy by 10.
I reckon this year we'll see the superior coaching of O'Shea start to have a real impact on Italy's performances and results. They should be too well drilled for Fiji.

Scotland by 15.
Scotland may have issues with their front row injuries, but don't think Samoa are the team to expose them, and their backs should have too much. Again, Samoa's first game, so expect them to be a bit disorganised at times.

England by 20.
Argentina's presence in the RC doesn't seem to have had the desired impact. England beat them away from home with essentially their 2nd/3rd team this summer, and at home with a much stronger team I expect a comfortable win.

Australia by 8.
Wales are usually fairly slow starters in the autumn, and while Australia are a bit uneven at the moment, I think they'll have too much.

Ireland by 6.
Tough one to call. SA have shown signs of improvement in the RC after a horror show last AIs, but I think this will be a grind between two similar teams, and Ireland are that bit better drilled IMO.

NZ by 25.
Expect a relatively close first half, but NZ to really turn it on afterwards and pull away in the last quarter.

I would fancy Italy to win against less of a loose cannon team, but I think they'll hurl it around a bit, I reckon their defensive structure will be a bit hit and miss, like Scotland's when they started playing the faster game. This will give Fiji a bit of a run - Matawalu to score the winning try.

right folks, get yer bookies put on notice!

Italy 19-17 Fiji
Scotland 37-21 Samoa
England 28-16 Argentina
Wales 18-22 Australia
Ireland 29-18 SA
New Zealand 38-15 France

tigertattie wrote:right folks, get yer bookies put on notice!

Italy 19-17 Fiji
Scotland 37-21 Samoa
England 28-16 Argentina
Wales 18-22 Australia
Ireland 29-18 SA
New Zealand 38-15 France

Lets hope you're right!

Italy v Fiji

Italy by 5 (33 - 28)


Scotland vs Samoa

Scotland by 15 (25 - 10)


England vs Argentina

England by 40 (England 57 - Argentina 17)


Wales vs Australia

Australia by 17 (Wales 15 - Aus 32)


Ireland vs South Africa (Ireland 29 - SA 18)

Ireland by 9


France v New Zealand (France 16 - NZ 44)

New Zealand by 28

TJ wrote:Don't forget Scotland beat Aus in the summer.  So by that logic Scotland are world champs

Argentina are a lot better than their world ranking suggests imo - its distorted by not playing teams other than tri nations very often so they don't get much chance to gain points

Ah, but we then lost to Fiji so presumably they took our title off us. Has anyone played Fiji since?

TJ wrote:Don't forget Scotland beat Aus in the summer.  So by that logic Scotland are world champs

Argentina are a lot better than their world ranking suggests imo - its distorted by not playing teams other than tri nations very often so they don't get much chance to gain points

By that logic, aren't Fiji actually world champions?

Argentina will definitely be up for it, and England are slightly experimental at the front of the pack and the front of the backs. My guess is that it will be closer than many people expect, but I would be hugely surprised if England don't win.

Scottrf wrote:

tigertattie wrote:right folks, get yer bookies put on notice!

Italy 19-17 Fiji
Scotland 37-21 Samoa
England 28-16 Argentina
Wales 18-22 Australia
Ireland 29-18 SA
New Zealand 38-15 France

Lets hope you're right!

Do I get a cut if it comes in?

tigertattie wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

tigertattie wrote:right folks, get yer bookies put on notice!

Italy 19-17 Fiji
Scotland 37-21 Samoa
England 28-16 Argentina
Wales 18-22 Australia
Ireland 29-18 SA
New Zealand 38-15 France

Lets hope you're right!

Do I get a cut if it comes in?

I'll chuck you a £50

TJ wrote:Don't forget Scotland beat Aus in the summer.  So by that logic Scotland are world champs

Argentina are a lot better than their world ranking suggests imo - its distorted by not playing teams other than tri nations very often so they don't get much chance to gain points

I do not understand that.

Firstly, they do not just play the tri-nations teams. They played fifteen games in 2016 of which five were against the tri-nations. The rest were pretty evenly split between NH teams and other South American teams.

Secondly the top of the rankings are evenly split between the SH and NH so the three SH teams no longer represent more difficult opponents than the best of the NH.

Thirdly, even if they did only play teams much better than them so are unlikely to gain points in any particular game, the ranking system means they will not lose any points either. On the rare occasion they do win they will gain a lot of points.

The ranking system is a fair reflection of the actual success of a team on the field. The only time it might not reflect a team's strength is if they play a series of matches with an under strength team. I do not think that particularly applies to Argentina.

Italy by 6
Scotland by 10
England by 20
Australia by 10
Ireland by 6 and RWC2023
France by 5

Fiji by 3
Scotland by 10
England by 21
Australia by 12
South Africa by 9
NZ by 23

Unless the Kiwis are hère in some sort of paid vacation and they don’t show their usual ruthless / no mercy attitude, this French team are about to get the mothers of all spankings. We are talking about a team missing all their experienced backs and starting with a 9-10 combo who have 41 years between both of them and no international experience. Guys dressed in black by 35 +.

Italy v Fiji - Stadio Angelo Massimino, Catania - Kick off: 2:00pm
Italy by 15


Scotland vs Samoa - BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh Kick off: 2:30pm
Scotland by 19


England vs Argentina - Twickenham Stadium, London - Kick off: 3:00pm
England by 15


Wales vs Australia - Principality Stadium, Cardiff - Kick off: 5:15pm
Australia by 5


Ireland vs South Africa - Aviva Stadium, Dublin - Kick off: 5:30pm
Ireland by 5


France v New Zealand - Stade de France, Paris - Kick off: 7:45pm
New Zealand by 10

Scottrf wrote:

tigertattie wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

tigertattie wrote:right folks, get yer bookies put on notice!

Italy 19-17 Fiji
Scotland 37-21 Samoa
England 28-16 Argentina
Wales 18-22 Australia
Ireland 29-18 SA
New Zealand 38-15 France

Lets hope you're right!

Do I get a cut if it comes in?

I'll chuck you a £50

We stuffed bud? Wasn't expecting Scotland's defence to be as woeful as it was or for SA to be as utterly terrible as they were

SBW showing again he is not the sharpest knive in the drawer... shame as Kiwis are showing some great skills in particularly bad conditions...

Puts the England result in perspective when you realise SA have 3 club sides better than the Argentine national team.

I had Wales to win as part of my accumulator, only ones to let me down

BamBam wrote:I had Wales to win as part of my accumulator, only ones to let me down  

What a stupid thing to bet on!

I figured they'd have their usual close loss, the bet was Wales + 5.5 points

BamBam wrote:I figured they'd have their usual close loss, the bet was Wales + 5.5 points

We can't beat them with our most experienced side! So this one was always going to struggle. Amos' last minute try made it look closer than it really was.

This is why I'm not a good gambler

Apparently France are playing New Zealand again tonight??

Is this included in the score predictions?

Yes but this is a non test game with teams mainly made up of second/third choices type of players.

whocares wrote:Yes but this is a non test game with teams mainly made up of second/third choices type of players.

Was it maybe too risky for New Zealand (on their 2nd and 3rd string players) to play a Top 14 side...like they usually do, playing a Nation's club side?

SecretFly wrote:

whocares wrote:Yes but this is a non test game with teams mainly made up of second/third choices type of players.

Was it maybe too risky for New Zealand (on their 2nd and 3rd string players) to play a Top 14 side...like they usually do, playing a Nation's club side?

Probably not but not the same money. Read FFR is making 2M€ out of this extra game. Makes the WRU look like philanthropist ...