England summer thread - 2018

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

First topic message reminder :

First test squad is announced next week, and the rumour is Nick Gubbins will be selected to open, and this would be the prospective team...

Cook
Gubbins
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Livingstone
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Leach
Anderson

With James Vince as 12th man

What do we reckon?

[Duty281]

Incredible comeback from England. It seems they struggle more with these low 200ish targets, than with the plus 300 ones!

Buttler has played one of the great ODI innings.

England have been victorious in football, rugby union, rugby league and cricket this weekend. Not forgetting the F1. Beautiful stuff.

[Gooseberry]

Amazing stuff from Butter. Looking through the series all of England's top 7 and most of their bowlers have produced at least one telling performance but this is the one that stands out as a solo match winning innings

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

We’ve found out what God created on the 8th day. It was Jos. What an absolute don.

Jos should play every game of cricket for England until he hangs them up. Freak of a man

[Gooseberry]

In 6 games this summer:
Both openers have two centuries and a 50
Hales has a century and a 50
Root 50
Morgan a century and 2 50's
Buttler A century and 20 50s (all not out)

Drop Root?

It really sums up the depth of talent in the top 6 when a guy who averages 50 is by far the weakest over a series.

Buttlers in the form of his life this year. The signs were there in the IPL but hes taken it to all formats. Over the 6 ODIs hes averaged 137.5 . Tell me again about how KP was the greatest ever English ODI batsman
I still have real issues with him being in the test side at 7, but as long as hes carrying this level of swagger and self belief around he has to be in the team.

[guildfordbat]

In 6 games this summer:
Both openers have two centuries and a 50
Hales has a century and a 50
Root 50
Morgan a century and 2 50's
Buttler A century and 20 50s (all not out)

Drop Root?

It really sums up the depth of talent in the top 6 when a guy who averages 50 is by far the weakest over a series.

Buttlers in the form of his life this year. The signs were there in the IPL but hes taken it to all formats. Over the 6 ODIs hes averaged 137.5 . Tell me again about how KP was the greatest ever English ODI batsman  
I still have real issues with him being in the test side at 7, but as long as hes carrying this level of swagger and self belief around he has to be in the team.

Very much go with your last sentence, Goose.

Obviously a stunning innings from Buttler and he's rightly getting the ovations for it and England's win. However, a small bit of praise for Rashid and then Ball at the death for sticking with him. I actually thought that Buttler trusted Ball a little too much and could have protected him more. That might seem a harsh and unnecessarily petty comment given how things worked out but we wouldn't be so joyful if we had lost by a couple of runs.

As often, fine margins. That said, they are going Buttler's way atm. Long may he and us enjoy them.

[Gooseberry]

Butter admitted it was a mistake, he didn't see the fielder and thought he'd get back in strike. He didn't trust him he just screwed up in a different way!
As it was Ball manage to keep his head an block out so no harm no foul.
As others said even if England had lost even getting to that point took a pretty special contribution from Butter.
As for Rashid ...this is a guys who's regulalry batted around 6 in fist class cricket. At 10 in ODIs he certainly should have the technique to survive a few overs, but again plaudits for keeping his head and not giving in.

[dummy_half]

Good teams find a way to win...

[LondonTiger]

As for Rashid ...this is a guys who's regulalry batted around 6 in fist class cricket. At 10 in ODIs he certainly should have the technique to survive a few overs,  but again plaudits for keeping his head and not giving in.

Though getting out from such a dodgy shot so close to the win was a real shame. I am always rather surprised when is situations like that Rashid comes in quite so low - sure when you are looking to bosh big runs send in the likes of Willey and Plunkett earlier, but when you are chasing a total like that Dilly has the more rounded batting skills.

[Gooseberry]

Cricinfo is touring Jordan to return for England in the T20 side. Apparently he's played very well in the Lions A series games.

Aside from that much the same as the ODI side ...minus Wood who's "rested".

They have to be red hot favourites despite a poor run if results and Bayliss being a nnoyed the games even happening

[Duty281]

Australia inviting England to bat first, which I find completely bizarre.

200+ incoming.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Australia inviting England to bat first, which I find completely bizarre.

200+ incoming.

56-0 off 4. Buttler 31 off 11 balls

Always a good idea to insert the in form batsmen on a road.

[Duty281]

200 brought up...and still 15 balls to go.

Utter carnage.

[Duty281]

221 in the end.

Tye has kept the score somewhat sane.

[Gooseberry]

This is embaressing now.
72/5 and theyve not matched Englands opening stand.

Has there ever been a worse australian limited overs squad?
Getting the senior seamers fit would be a help but its still leaves them seriously lacking balance and unable to play spin.

[Duty281]

A comfortable 28 run win for England makes it 6-0 in the limited overs games against the old enemy.

Finch's excellent 84 gave Australia respectability.

Next up: 2 T20s and 3 ODIs against India, before the proper (and very squeezed in) five test series.

[Gooseberry]

The India series is a lot more meaningful and a truer test of where they are at. India have been trumpeting how great their pace attack is, and we know they have some fine spinners and a superstar in Kholi. They just pasted Ireland in exactly the way England didnt Scotland.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

A very Surrey mafia esque post incoming...

Asked George Dobell on twitter what the chances are of Ollie Pope or Amar Virdi making the Sri Lanka tour this winter, and Dobell replied "I think Pope might - might - not have to wait that long"

[guildfordbat]

A very Surrey mafia esque post incoming...

Asked George Dobell on twitter what the chances are of Ollie Pope or Amar Virdi making the Sri Lanka tour this winter, and Dobell replied "I think Pope might - might - not have to wait that long"

I could have told you that about Pope, grasshopper.

Ramprakash was at Scarborough this week and I think that was mainly to watch and work with Pope (probably an eye on Burns as well). Although Ramps is close to Alec Stewart and some of the other Surrey guys, he's not employed by Surrey but by the ECB.

Ed Smith was at Guildford last Friday when Virdi was some way off his best. If there's a Lions tour in the winter I would expect him to be on that but not the Test tour of Sri Lanka.

[Gooseberry]

India are lookimg in onimously good form ....just anhilated Ireland in one of the most one sided T20s ever.
213/4 the ireland all out for 70
They should present a stern challenge for englanf in the limited overs games ...whether they will have the stamina and technique to bring their best in the tests is another thing.

[KP_fan]

India are lookimg in onimously good form ....just anhilated Ireland in one of the most one sided T20s ever.
213/4 the ireland all out for 70
They should present a stern challenge for englanf in the limited overs games ...whether they will have the stamina and technique to bring their best in the tests is another thing.

For many years I have advocated limited overs be played before tests when India on tour
Gives Ind a a chance to acclimatize to the country & 50overs games are almost practice for tests, as they give time for inning building

Main focus of the tour is test match cricket for India without a doubt...those not in limited over sides are playing county or club cricket

re. limited overs, it will be a grand masala slog-fest between the 2 undoubted top sides........India won 5-1 in SA which was their last tour and have carried good form in the last two games vs IRE

wrist spinners Kuldeep & Chahl have been the main factors why Ind has won with ridiculous ease in last 10 limited over games picking I guess 30 wickets apiece
So i put Ind 60-40 favorites for limited overs owing to equal batting but India's wrist spinners
In tests Eng is 60-40 favorites a 2-1 win for eng is most likely and 2-2 is India's best bet

Maybe this long series warrants a separate thread

[Gooseberry]

Id disagree on the batting being equal.
Both sides have bags of stars in their top 6, Englands are at peak form and confidence currently . The real difference comes from 8 down ....even by England standards this side has a ridiculously string tail with Rashid at 11. Obviously in an ideal world they dont bat, but England will be less troubled by wickets falling than India.

Id agree that Indias x factor could be the two wrist spinners. They arent players England will be overly familiar with and their recent record speaks for itself.

It really shouldnt be a one sided series.

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