England Summer Tour - Part 2

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Fixtures

9 June - 16:05: South Africa 42 - England 39

16 June - 16:05: South Africa v England - Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein SkySports action
23 June - 16:05: South Africa v England - DHL Newlands, Cape Town SkySports action


Officials

1st Test
Referee: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

2nd Test
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 1: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant 2: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

3rd Test
Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)



Squads

England

Full backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Nathan Earle (Saracens) *
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)

Inside backs
Danny Cipriani (Wasps)
Owen Farrell (Saracens)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Alex Lozowski (Saracens)
Cameron Redpath (Sale Sharks) * Piers Francis
Dan Robson (Wasps) *
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ben Spencer (Saracens) *
Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors) Jason Woodward
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)


Back five
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Ben Earl (Saracens) *
Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs) *
Nick Isiekwe (Saracens)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)  
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps) *
Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)
Jack Willis (Wasps) * Nathan Hughes
Mark Wilson (Newcastle)

Front row
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)





South Africa

Forwards (24):
Nizaam Carr (loose forward, DHL Stormers, 5, 0)
Bismarck du Plessis (hooker, Montpellier, France, 79, 55 - 11t)
Dan du Preez (loose forward, Cell C Sharks, 3, 0)
Jean-Luc du Preez (loose forward, Cell C Sharks, 10, 10 - 2t)
Pieter-Steph du Toit (lock, DHL Stormers, 32, 20 - 4t)
Thomas du Toit (prop, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Jason Jenkins (lock, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Steven Kitshoff (prop, DHL Stormers, 23, 5 - 1t)
Siya Kolisi (loose forward, DHL Stormers, 28, 20 - 4t)
Wilco Louw (prop, DHL Stormers, 5, 0)
Frans Malherbe (prop, DHL Stormers, 17, 0)
Bongi Mbonambi (hooker, DHL Stormers, 14, 5 - 1t)
Oupa Mohojé (loose forward, Toyota Cheetahs 18, 0)
Franco Mostert (lock, Emirates Lions, 18, 5 - 1t)
Tendai Mtawarira (prop, Cell C Sharks, 98, 10 - 2t)
Ox Nche (prop, Toyota Cheetahs, uncapped)
Sikhumbuzo Notshe (loose forward, DHL Stormers, uncapped)
Trevor Nyakane (prop, Vodacom Bulls, 37, 5 - 1t)
Marvin Orie (lock, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
Chiliboy Ralepelle (hooker, Cell C Sharks 23, 5 - 1t)
Kwagga Smith (loose forward, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
RG Snyman (lock, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Akker van der Merwe (hooker, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Duane Vermeulen (loose forward, Toulon, France, 39, 10 - 2t)

Backs (19):
Lukhanyo Am (centre, Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
Curwin Bosch (utility back Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
Damian de Allende (centre, DHL Stormers, 28, 15 - 3t)
Faf de Klerk (scrumhalf, Sale Sharks, England, 11, 0)
Robert du Preez (flyhalf, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Aphiwe Dyantyi (wing, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
André Esterhuizen (centre, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Warrick Gelant (fullback, Vodacom Bulls, 2, 5 - 1t)
Travis Ismaiel (wing, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Elton Jantjies (flyhalf, Emirates Lions, 23, 203 - 2t, 38c, 39p)
Jesse Kriel (centre, Vodacom Bulls, 29, 40 - 8t)
Willie le Roux (fullback, Wasps, England, 41, 50 - 10t)
Makazole Mapimpi (wing, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Sibusiso Nkosi (wing, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Embrose Papier (scrumhalf, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Handré Pollard (flyhalf, Vodacom Bulls, 26, 218 - 3t, 37c, 40p, 3d)
Frans Steyn (utility back, Montpellier, France, 56, 132 - 10t, 5c, 21p, 3d)
Ivan van Zyl (scrumhalf, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Cameron Wright (scrumhalf, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)[/b]

Hughes, now that was just plain stupid...

Ford just doesn't have the temperament for intense test match rugby, when the chips are down he just goes missing and his decision making falls to bits.

No one to blame for the repeated stupidity on display but the players themselves. Moronic.

Yellow card yet SA get away with it

The officials are terrible - YC for that but SA allowed to stop a try doing the same thing ... hopeless ...

Why no yellow when SA did it 4 m out from their own line?

Lucky on the pen - Farrell was dumb.

Do you think Ford or Brown will - or should - start next week?

As a fan I just want consistency.


Farrell is a piss poor captain

I'm more inclined to forgive interpretation that bot knowing the rules tbf.

Than not. Rather than that bot obviously.

The inconsistency in referee decisions today has been glaring. Both Australia and South Africa benefitting from the inconsistency. You could say it was home ground advantage...

Fun game. South Africa doing fairly well.

Stupid yellow from Hughes. The Shields one, I assume that was the try that was ruled out where Mostert knocked it backwards on his line out of Shields hands?

I don't think it is billy. He didn't know the law. That is just really poor.

That would be being kind to the officials - I'd call it plain incompetence ...

Hazel Sapling wrote:Fun game. South Africa doing fairly well.

Stupid yellow from Hughes. The Shields one, I assume that was the try that was ruled out where Mostert knocked it backwards on his line out of Shields hands?

He was off his feet - so can't touch it at all either way ...

No 7&1/2 wrote:I don't think it is billy. He didn't know the law. That is just really poor.

You may be right but you would hope to think that a referee at this level would know the laws in place. I still think that it is inconsistent.

It's a bit if a pattern today that commentary teams ain't pointing it out. They re poor as well. Earlier we saw Marshall take he mick out of French a fans bot knowing the law then quoting an out of fate law himself. Poor

So many silly errors and penalties, it will always kill you.

I’m embarrassed to be English.

RFU take action.
NOW Please.

Sorry but sa should t be wumming this series but the analysis of why is lacking.

I actually think this defeat is worse than last week's from an England point of view. You'll always get one off test matches that pull off a surprise result, and with the emotion of last week for the South Africans that's what happened.

This week though SA have put in a composed, team performance to follow up last week, and England have been a bit all over the place. No clear gameplan, lack of platform up front, no control in midfield and utterly brainless penalties. It's no disgrace to lose in SA but it is the manner of each defeat that has been concerning.

Big, big worries for English rugby!

Winning rather than wumming which is an autocorrect it acknowledge the normal people which will now comment!

Disappointing. Too many errors. Didn't think SA were all that , but they managed to derail England after that excellent start and they just couldn't settle into their game afterwards.

Dead rubber next week and some changes are called for...

Deserved win for South Africa, in spite of some questionable refereeing.

Same problems for England - poor game management, inability to adjust tactics, too many errors.

eirebilly wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I don't think it is billy. He didn't know the law. That is just really poor.

You may be right but you would hope to think that a referee at this level would know the laws in place. I still think that it is inconsistent.

That's the concern - he presumably knows the laws and it can't be down to interpretation as the player was clearly off his feet yet engaged in play so you have to wonder how he didn't award the PT and YC - I baulk at calling bias but what else is there?

Heaf wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Fun game. South Africa doing fairly well.

Stupid yellow from Hughes. The Shields one, I assume that was the try that was ruled out where Mostert knocked it backwards on his line out of Shields hands?

He was off his feet - so can't touch it at all either way ...

Was it over the line and hence viewed as an attempt to ground? Looking for a reason why otherwise you are right. Tend to rate this reffing crew as fairly good.

Farrell was shockingly poor as captain. Few players covered themselves in glory for England. Not sure how it gets cleaned up

South Africa are looking much better. No longer the most physical team in the world though. France and Ireland are fighting for that.

TightHEAD wrote:So many silly errors and penalties, it will always kill you.

I’m embarrassed to be English.

RFU take action.
NOW Please.

I was going to say something.... but feeding us that line make it toooo easy..


Well done and congrats to the Boks..... Chin up England there's the 3rd test to play for pride and to convince yourself that Uncle Eddie is still your man.

RDW_Scotland wrote:I actually think this defeat is worse than last week's from an England point of view. You'll always get one off test matches that pull off a surprise result, and with the emotion of last week for the South Africans that's what happened.

This week though SA have put in a composed, team performance to follow up last week, and England have been a bit all over the place. No clear gameplan, lack of platform up front, no control in midfield and utterly brainless penalties. It's no disgrace to lose in SA but it is the manner of each defeat that has been concerning.

Big, big worries for English rugby!

Agree completely. Much worse than last week. Illustrating the poor overall play is England scored zero points after that initial surge. Zero. UFB.

Just pathetic.

I’d make a point of sending Nathen Hughes home for such a silly penalty.

Ford can go too.

I'd also agree that Farrell hasn't been a good captain - was a bit embarrassing hearing the way he was talking on the ref mic.

Pen try to SA - no issues for me, Sinks stood up first and we were drove back.
Hughes yellow - completely brainless from him deserved
Shields try - no issues, the SA defender was part off the tackle and it wasn't a ruck, he was attempting to ground.

England.....awful 2nd half. I really dispare, I wish I'd not bothered watching.

Ben Youngs' post match interview - I know he's frustrated but that really wasn't good.

And again...SA are not even that great, we're making them look good.

Embarrassing from Ben Young’s

Wouldn't say these are surprising results. South Africa are, rightfully, the favourites in this series, and going 2-0 up is not a shock.

Embarrassing from Ben Youngs.

Never mind, I look forward to the next George and Daly post on Facebook.

What did Youngs say?

Sacking him is the easy choice; players have kept places despite not performing. The problems havent been addressed despite them plaguing the team for almost 15 months. I say 15 because despite the winning run their were glaring issues even then. However I think players really need to take a long hard look at themselves.

I wouldnt say Jones has lost the players however he does seem at a complete loss as too how stop the bleeding now. Farrells upgrade to on field captain looks a terrible decision on reflection; inability to grab the players and give them a shake when the game begins to get away from themselves. Add in shocking decision making and it gets worse.

Once again our decision making when kicking out of hand was puzzling at best.

That interview with Youngs was very very poor. Siege mentality indeed but not in a good way. That screamed of a unit who arent willing to take criticism and most tellingly who actually dont think their are as many problems as people are saying.

I said it last week; the interviews throughout this run have been telling and that right their confirmed my belief that this group isnt willing to front up and take the criticism or learn lessons. The winning run was incredible but it seems to have led to an arrogance now which is apparent from the players through to the coaches.

I'm sorry it's not good enough that refs don't know the laws bit england players need to learn them as well. Not good enough.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:What did Youngs say?

I didn't hear either.....

@sgt - Basically the same spiel as last 6 games...learn from it and go again next week. Then walked off. Very disrespectful and came across as extremely arrogant for me

And I'd completely disagree with that fro.owen. pretty silly. We get the pen try and yc as should have been still not questioned by the poor commentary and tbf 8ts a comfortable win.

owen10ozzy wrote:@sgt - Basically the same spiel as last 6 games...learn from it and go again next week. Then walked off. Very disrespectful and came across as extremely arrogant for me

Ah ok...I thought he'd slagged the queen off or something.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote:@sgt - Basically the same spiel as last 6 games...learn from it and go again next week. Then walked off. Very disrespectful and came across as extremely arrogant for me

Ah ok...I thought he'd slagged the queen off or something.

Shagged the Queen???

I can't understand how England for the second week in a row let a lead go. They must have talked about what they should have done last week. They never kicked goals to keep the board ticking over which resulted in frustration as they had no reward for any effort.

For SA they need to address their starts. Not many teams will be so accomadating. Players seem to be enjoying their rugby again

Sa made similar decisions. You acan pick those apart all game. The officials.not knowing the laws and tbf the guy picking apart decision s is poor.

Woodward defines himself as a guy who knows everything he hasn't picked it out at all.

During that last interview, I noticed, obviously English fans, dressed in late 1800 British Army uniforms (like in the picture)..


Am I the only one that consider this disrespectful for a rugby game against the SpringBoks.

I have no issue at all with the history, etc, surrounding Zulu wars and the valor shown at Rorkes Drift, but I find this extremely distasteful and embarrassing in a sports event. It is just so arrogant... Show your support, wear your colours with pride even wear silly chicken outfits if you want, I applaud that, but this is just an insult.


Can you imagine if Welsh fans wore Welsh Guard uniforms against Argentina later tonight, or German fans playing Poland (in football) wore Nazi uniforms...

Hazel Sapling wrote:

Heaf wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Fun game. South Africa doing fairly well.

Stupid yellow from Hughes. The Shields one, I assume that was the try that was ruled out where Mostert knocked it backwards on his line out of Shields hands?

He was off his feet - so can't touch it at all either way ...

Was it over the line and hence viewed as an attempt to ground? Looking for a reason why otherwise you are right. Tend to rate this reffing crew as fairly good.

Farrell was shockingly poor as captain. Few players covered themselves in glory for England. Not sure how it gets cleaned up

South Africa are looking much better. No longer the most physical team in the world though. France and Ireland are fighting for that.

Don't think he was over the line at that point but either way this is what the laws say ...

A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
Not play the ball.
Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Pen try to SA - no issues for me, Sinks stood up first and we were drove back.
Hughes yellow - completely brainless from him deserved
Shields try - no issues, the SA defender was part off the tackle and it wasn't a ruck, he was attempting to ground.

England.....awful 2nd half. I really dispare, I wish I'd not bothered watching.

Have to disagree with the Shields one Sgt --- he was off his feet and therefore out of the game, no business sticking his hand out to block the grounding