Post Schmidt Ireland

It must be clearer than ever who would be the best to take over after joe. This year will probably be the clincher

Declan Kidney?

You got it

Is there a Kidney clock counting down?

Depends on when Schmidt decides to go,he might want a crack at winning a series v NZ. If he stays on then who knows what things will look like in a few years.

Possibly. But at this stage it’s Lancaster’s if he wants it I would say.

But wouldn't yet another Leinster coach just bring more of the same Leinster bias to the team selections?

Anyway........just think about it:

The near future could very well be Leinster ex-coach Schmidt with the All Blacks.
Leinster ex-coach Cheika still with Australia
Leinster ex-coach Lancaster with Ireland
Leinster ex-coach Kidney with England...............   (it could happen)

Munster ex-coach Erasmus with next WC winners, South Africa!

We'll have picked the wrong coach again!

Even though it hurts to the core Leinster bias doesn’t matter. They are playing way beyond everyone else. Munster have lots of good individuals at the moment the coaching is the main difference

The success isnt just down to Lancaster. Cullen deserves a lot of credit as does the administration as a whole. Most of the players are from the academy which is how it should be.

Anyway Id imagine Schmidt will extend his contract post RWC as he is Irish now and fairly well settled.

Has Schmidt said he considers himself Irish?

I'd say he considers himself to be what he is - a Kiwi?

Does New Zealand consider players or coaches that operate abroad non-Kiwis?

ebop wrote:Has Schmidt said he considers himself Irish?

No however he is an Irish citizen (that means he is Irish) and his kids have said they support Ireland in rugby. Thats enough for me. He has also been linked to Ireland since the early 90s and by all accounts very settled here.

SecretFly wrote:I'd say he considers himself to be what he is - a Kiwi?

Does New Zealand consider players or coaches that operate abroad non-Kiwis?

Well you would be wrong then. He holds two citizenships.

Collapse2005 wrote:

ebop wrote:Has Schmidt said he considers himself Irish?

No

Thought that was the case

ebop wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

ebop wrote:Has Schmidt said he considers himself Irish?

No

Thought that was the case

Maybe he didnt feel the need to state the obvious. He is an Irish citizen. That makes him Irish.

I know what Schmidt is.  I know he has Irish citizenship Collapse.  I follow his trajectory close enough.

I have a sister in America - die hard political animal there - ie, heavily Americanified in the life she's had there for a long time.  American citizen, the whole show - legally from the outset

I know for a fact she'd still call herself Irish.

I have a brother in Australia.  Family, grown up kids - strong views on what's good for Australia into the future.  I'm certain he'd still class himself as Irish.

You can be a citizen of a country and love your adopted country and still not think it an insult to that country to identitfy yourself as the nationality you were born into.  Terry Wogan got 'two' Knighthoods - one an honorary one which he wasn't pleased with so he became a dual citizen to get a 'real' one.  He was still Irish and viewed as Irish.

Thats a great story Fly thanks for that.

Well I just laugh at the idea that ebop can ask what Schmidt is now. It's perfectly obvious to me - Kiwi. A form and a stamp doesn't kill off your natural nationality.

SecretFly wrote:Well I just laugh at the idea that ebop can ask what Schmidt is now.  It's perfectly obvious to me - Kiwi.  A form and a stamp doesn't kill off your natural nationality.

Seems you dont understand citizenship. Also no one said he wasnt a Kiwi. Have you heard of dual citizenship?

Collapse2005 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Well I just laugh at the idea that ebop can ask what Schmidt is now.  It's perfectly obvious to me - Kiwi.  A form and a stamp doesn't kill off your natural nationality.

Seems you dont understand citizenship. Also no one said he wasnt a Kiwi. Have you heard of dual citizenship?

Shouldn’t you just be happy that Schmidt has given excellent service to Ireland rugby without trying to claim he’s Irish on his behalf?

Its not a claim its a fact. He applied for citizenship by himself. No one else did it for him.

Probably had to sign a few forms for that. When he returns home to NZ do you reckon he’ll say he’s Irish because he spent 10 years there?

ebop wrote:Probably had to sign a few forms for that. When he returns home to NZ do you reckon he’ll say he’s Irish because he spent 10 years there?

No ill say he is Irish because he is a citizen of Ireland.

I'd say it's down to schmidt if he now considers himself Irish or not

Collapse2005 wrote:

Seems you dont understand citizenship. Also no one said he wasnt a Kiwi. Have you heard of dual citizenship?

Seems I understand all too well the difference between being 'Irish' (as in the question: "does he consider himself Irish?") and citizenship.

I love that Joe felt comfortable enough here - and looked after enough (always says how well his son, who has serious medical issues, was treated in Ireland) - to want to become a citizen.  
That's an honour to us as much as I'm sure he thinks its been a good move for him.  But I also honour him by allowing myself to recognise his birth identity.  He's a Kiwi  - an Irish Kiwi or a Kiwi Irishman.  I hope he still thinks of himself as a Kiwi.  I don't see any clash of allegiance if he does and I'd guess he still does think of himself as a New Zealander.

Is O'Gara a kiwi?

Don't insult O'Gara by classing him as either Irish or Kiwi.

He's a Corkonian Yank! That's a special brand/nationality and don't he have the personality to match it.

ps...to keep this thing flowing..... was the first AB Captain a Kiwi?

SecretFly wrote:ps...to keep this thing flowing..... was the first AB Captain a Kiwi?

Gallagher? Can't recall...but one of the last England captains was.

Gallaher emigrated from Ireland as a small child so a kiwi (of Irish decent)

Andy O'Farrell will step up when Joe goes perhaps.

ebop wrote:Gallaher emigrated from Ireland as a small child so a kiwi (of Irish decent)

Joe Schmidt is still a small child (in looks ) so I'll agree with you then, ebop. He's Irish of Kiwi decent. If he did end up coaching the ABs, first foreign head?

LondonTiger wrote:Andy O'Farrell will step up when Joe goes perhaps.

Ironically, he's one man that doesn't need an obligatory O'. Farrell is more than Irish enough as a name.

O'Lancaster and O'Farrell? Wouldn't that be one for the books whenever they met England first.

Taylorman wrote:Is O'Gara a kiwi?

Does he have a New Zealand passport?

ebop wrote:Gallaher emigrated from Ireland as a small child so a kiwi (of Irish decent)

The strange thing about Gallagher is that he came from the one county that rarely if ever produces rugby players, Donegal. Cant think of any Irish internationals that came from that county.

Ireland will sink into the atlantic when Joe leaves.

SecretFly wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Andy O'Farrell will step up when Joe goes perhaps.

Ironically, he's one man that doesn't need an obligatory O'.  Farrell is more than Irish enough as a name.

Aye, though Owen is more Irish, and has a genuine O' on his original birth certificate.

rodders wrote:Ireland will sink into the atlantic when Joe leaves.

Well that will solve the main Brexit sticking point pronto!

All clouds have a silver lining I suppose. Joe better increase his security detail, those MI6 boys might want to encourage him to 'leave' early

SecretFly wrote:

rodders wrote:Ireland will sink into the atlantic when Joe leaves.

Well that will solve the main Brexit sticking point pronto!  

All clouds have a silver lining I suppose.  Joe better increase his security detail, those MI6 boys might want to encourage him to 'leave' early

Not really as the DUP have ruled out a sea border.

Increased fishing grounds might coax Arlene to compromise.

Water Rugby? We might get good at that - no?

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

I don't get it. How did the other horses survive?

I don't get it either. You would think the English guys that didn't bring their horses would be the ones that drowned.

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

I'd heard his hatchback sunk as it had a hole in it.

rodders wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

I don't get it. How did the other horses survive?

Was a gelding. No rudder, rodders

Taylorman wrote:

rodders wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

I don't get it. How did the other horses survive?

Was a gelding. No rudder, rodders

must be a NZ thang - brutal and not very effective?

The Great Aukster wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

rodders wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Water Rugby?  We might get good at that - no?

Did you hear about the Irish water polo player?

His horse drowned.



I'm here all week folks.

I don't get it. How did the other horses survive?

Was a gelding. No rudder, rodders

must be a NZ thang - brutal and not very effective?

Yes unfortunate but necessary, sometimes we do it to our players before a match to calm them down...

Taylorman wrote:Yes unfortunate but necessary, sometimes we do it to our players before a match to calm them down...

Think you might have the... er... wrong end of the stick here TM, what you're suggesting would definitely fire them up.