Japan 2019 - Pool A Ireland Japan Russia Samoa Scotland

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Team	Played	Won	Drawn	Lost	Tries	PF	PA	+/-	BP	Points
Japan	3	3	0	0	9	87	41	+46	2	14
Ireland	3	2	0	1	11	74	22	+52	3	11
Scotland	3	2	0	1	13	98	27	71	2	10
Samoa	3	1	0	2	7	53	81	-28	1	5
Russia	3	0	0	3	1	19	125	-106	0	0

Japan 30-10 Russia              
Ireland 27-3 Scotland  
Russia 9-34 Samoa                        
Japan 19-12 Ireland                          
Scotland 34-0 Samoa
Ireland 35-0 Russia
Japan 38-19 Samoa
Scotland 61-0 Russia  

                                       
                     
12 October 2019         Ireland v Samoa                         Fukuoka Hakatanomori Stadium, Fukuoka
13 October 2019         Japan v Scotland                         International Stadium Yokohama, Yokohama


Two games left. If Ireland get a TBP win on Saturday they qualify for the quarter finals irrespective of the result on Sunday. Any other result and they need to wait and see what happens between Japan and Scotland.
Any win for Japan and they will top the group (in fact a draw or losing with two bonus points will guarantee the same)
Most interesting scenario is if Ireland win without a bonus point - opening up a chance for Scotland to top the group if all 3 teams end up on 15pts and Scotland are able to keep their points difference ahead of Ireland.

TightHEAD wrote:So looks like the host nation will get out the group.

Ireland have never beat a host nation

Could Samoa and Japan be the qualifiers from this group??

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

Galted wrote:Looks like we might get NZ v Ireland after all, with the winner playing England.

Your assuming Ireland beat Samoa, on this form that is not guaranteed

I did say 'might'.

I would think that Ireland would get bonus point wins over Samoa and Russia though which would guarantee they'd qualify, would depend on how Scotland go against Japan to determine the group winners. Having said that at 12-3 I was hoping it wasn't a hammering for the home team, didn't see Japan coming back from that.

Wow, what a result for Japan. I have no idea what that means for the group, but Scotland have got to be worried 

Carbery kicking the ball out at the end was a strange one, we've seen Irish sides put long sets of phases together to score at the end of the game plenty of times, but I guess the risk of losing the bonus point maybe not worth it

majesticimperialman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:One of the most one sided refereeing performances Ive seen in a while, although Japan may not have needed it as they were really good.

Stop blaming the ref. Ireland indiscipline  cost them the game.

Yeah you don’t go from number one in the world one week and lose to Japan the next and mention the ref. The ref is one. Your team is 23 players and lord knows how many keepers. They own it, they need to come back from it. Every side they play will be smelling fear now.

Schmidt suggesting it was the ref's fault for the penalty count. Did this guy snooze in the two games against Wales?

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:What the hell were Ireland thinking there. They had to keep possession, instead they kicked away any chance of  draw

saving the bonus point

If Japan beat Scotland they will top the group and Ireland will be second.

Collapse2005 wrote:One of the most one sided refereeing performances Ive seen in a while, although Japan may not have needed it as they were really good.

Ireland's luck was due to run out. Maybe your team should just try playing a fair game.

Here we go again

Well done Japan, out thought and out played Ireland. Far more hunger and desire.

Again it appears that Ireland are completely incapable of adjusting to in game situations. Schmidt has them drilled to play one tactic but if their opposition adjust to it, they cannot change. no plan B again...

Not taking anything away from Japan who are deserved winners.

BigGee wrote:Well dine Japan, that was fabulous. Ireland very lucky to get a BP in my opinion, though that may still put them through.

Hard to see Scotland qualifying now

If Ireland get 2 TBPs they get 16 points
Scotland can get 3 TBPs so most they can get is 15 pts
If Japan get a TBP v Samoa they are on 14 pts.

If Scotland beat Japan and stop them getting a LBP or TBP then they will be ok.

Pal Joey wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Japanese fans are class, cant wait to get over there

Enjoy your trip.

Thanks I will

Taylorman wrote:

Mr Fishpaste wrote:Springbok B-team 41-7 Japan....just saying

Yes, just shows how relative matches over the last year really are. World Cup Rugby. There’s nothing like it. You can’t hide here.

Assuming they've got no injuries, Japan will be targeting a semi final. They'll be hugely motivated against Scotland after 2915, and they know they have a game to trouble the Books, even if the chance of a win is fairly low.

Galted wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

Galted wrote:Looks like we might get NZ v Ireland after all, with the winner playing England.

Your assuming Ireland beat Samoa, on this form that is not guaranteed

  I did say 'might'.

I would think that Ireland would get bonus point wins over Samoa and Russia though which would guarantee they'd qualify, would depend on how Scotland go against Japan to determine the group winners.  Having said that at 12-3 I was hoping it wasn't a hammering for the home team, didn't see Japan coming back from that.

I'm getting ahead of myself but if Australia beat Wales we could very well have Eng v Wales and NZ v Ire in the QFs with the winners meeting.

eirebilly wrote:Well done Japan, out thought and out played Ireland. Far more hunger and desire.

Again it appears that Ireland are completely incapable of adjusting to in game situations. Schmidt has them drilled to play one tactic but if their opposition adjust to it, they cannot change. no plan B again...

Not taking anything away from Japan who are deserved winners.

Seems to be a habit that England often suffer from as well. Jones seems to have got them playing to what is happening on the field a bit more, but they take a long time to adjust.

Poorfour wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Mr Fishpaste wrote:Springbok B-team 41-7 Japan....just saying

Yes, just shows how relative matches over the last year really are. World Cup Rugby. There’s nothing like it. You can’t hide here.

Assuming they've got no injuries, Japan will be targeting a semi final. They'll be hugely motivated against Scotland after 2915, and they know they have a game to trouble the Books, even if the chance of a win is fairly low.

Japan are 17 and 1 vs non tier one sides apparently.

Showed. Jamie Joseph will be sought after. As tough as it gets and would suit a NH side. What’s the bet he goes into the reckoning.

Said all along the conditions and Japan would test Ireland and Scotland, was shot down time and time again.

Soul Requiem wrote:Losing bonus points are a joke in all honesty.

No they absoultley are not. It's a much better way to decide things rather than points difference.

Galted wrote:

Galted wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

Galted wrote:Looks like we might get NZ v Ireland after all, with the winner playing England.

Your assuming Ireland beat Samoa, on this form that is not guaranteed

  I did say 'might'.

I would think that Ireland would get bonus point wins over Samoa and Russia though which would guarantee they'd qualify, would depend on how Scotland go against Japan to determine the group winners.  Having said that at 12-3 I was hoping it wasn't a hammering for the home team, didn't see Japan coming back from that.

I'm getting ahead of myself but if Australia beat Wales we could very well have Eng v Wales and NZ v Ire in the QFs with the winners meeting.

The Australia / Wales game could be a classic, I can't wait.

I agree you are getting ahead of yourself, England still have Argentina and France to navigate and they are due one of there regular implosions.

Galted wrote:

Galted wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

Galted wrote:Looks like we might get NZ v Ireland after all, with the winner playing England.

Your assuming Ireland beat Samoa, on this form that is not guaranteed

  I did say 'might'.

I would think that Ireland would get bonus point wins over Samoa and Russia though which would guarantee they'd qualify, would depend on how Scotland go against Japan to determine the group winners.  Having said that at 12-3 I was hoping it wasn't a hammering for the home team, didn't see Japan coming back from that.

I'm getting ahead of myself but if Australia beat Wales we could very well have Eng v Wales and NZ v Ire in the QFs with the winners meeting.

The Australia / Wales game could be a classic, I can't wait.

I agree you are getting ahead of yourself, England still have Argentina and France to navigate and they are due one of there regular implosions.

I guess we will never know, but did Ireland really miiss Sexton's leadership in that game?

Ireland do seem to play better when he is on the field.  Or are Ireland getting a bit to old for top level rugby?

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Losing bonus points are a joke in all honesty.

No they absoultley are not. It's a much better way to decide things rather than points difference.

Here have a point for losing, you don't deserve it and played rubbish but that's the way it is.

Have to say Japan were fantastic.
Ireland after the first 20 ran out of energy and ideas.
Carty I thought did well but we were taking the ball standing still.
The pack looked absolutely shot by half time.
In hindsight we should have rotated more player's

A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

I think its been pretty tame to be honest.

I'm in one of the fan zones in Tokyo. It's quite a party here.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

It is all because Ireland lost today. to a team that was a lot fitter and did not give away penalties like Ireland did.

Soul Requiem wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Losing bonus points are a joke in all honesty.

No they absoultley are not. It's a much better way to decide things rather than points difference.

Here have a point for losing, you don't deserve it and played rubbish but that's the way it is.

It's a recognition that the winner taking all the points isn't a fair reflection of the game itself.
LBPs are more fair than TBPs

Then what about a team that plays really well, and doesn’t deserve to lose. Fair that they get something from the game?

I only saw the last 10 minutes, but it looked like Japan were reviving 4 years ago against SA, they were seriously good. Ireland just seemed to be cold, couldn't get into the game mentally or physically. They seemed to have no idea how to play against a fast rush defence, it was the same against England in the warm ups, got it sorted for Wales though, so watch out Russia.

Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

1 New Zealand 90.98
2 (↑3) England 88.13
3 (↑4) Wales 87.32
4 (↓2) Ireland 85.93 (-4.00)
5 (↑6) Australia 85.07
6 (↓5) South Africa 83.75 (-2.00)
7 (--) France 81.04
8 (↑10) Japan 80.70 (+4.00)
9 (↓8) Scotland 80.54
10 (↓9) Argentina 76.79


Japan are 8th... just overtaken Argentina and Scotland. Ireland slip to 4th.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:One of the most one sided refereeing performances Ive seen in a while, although Japan may not have needed it as they were really good.

Ireland's luck was due to run out. Maybe your team should just try playing a fair game.

We're flattered.

I think the word is flattened

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

No because Ireland were only ranked Second.

Taylorman wrote:

Poorfour wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Mr Fishpaste wrote:Springbok B-team 41-7 Japan....just saying

Yes, just shows how relative matches over the last year really are. World Cup Rugby. There’s nothing like it. You can’t hide here.

Assuming they've got no injuries, Japan will be targeting a semi final. They'll be hugely motivated against Scotland after 2915, and they know they have a game to trouble the Books, even if the chance of a win is fairly low.

Japan are 17 and 1 vs non tier one sides apparently.

Showed. Jamie Joseph will be sought after. As tough as it gets and would suit a NH side. What’s the bet he goes into the reckoning.

He already coaches a NH side.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

Not as much as there will be when Fiji beat Wales...

Brendan wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Losing bonus points are a joke in all honesty.

No they absoultley are not. It's a much better way to decide things rather than points difference.

Here have a point for losing, you don't deserve it and played rubbish but that's the way it is.

It's a recognition that the winner taking all the points isn't a fair reflection of the game itself.
LBPs are more fair than TBPs

A tier one team shouldn't get rewarded for losing to a tier 2 team.

carpet baboon wrote:Have  to say Japan were fantastic.
Ireland after the first 20 ran out of energy and ideas.
Carty I thought did well but we were taking the ball standing still.
The pack looked absolutely shot by half time.
In hindsight we should have rotated more player's

Thought Carty looked good too

Pal Joey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

1 New Zealand 90.98
2 (↑3) England 88.13
3 (↑4) Wales 87.32
4 (↓2) Ireland 85.93 (-4.00)
5 (↑6) Australia 85.07
6 (↓5) South Africa 83.75 (-2.00)
7 (--)  France 81.04
8 (↑10) Japan 80.70 (+4.00)
9 (↓8) Scotland 80.54
10 (↓9) Argentina 76.79


Japan are 8th... just overtaken Argentina and Scotland. Ireland slip to 4th.

Japan top 8 huh?
16 out of 31 foreign born, as are coach, co coach.
The trend continues...

GeordieFalcon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

Not as much as there will be when Fiji beat Wales...

Putting a bet on it?

Taylorman wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

1 New Zealand 90.98
2 (↑3) England 88.13
3 (↑4) Wales 87.32
4 (↓2) Ireland 85.93 (-4.00)
5 (↑6) Australia 85.07
6 (↓5) South Africa 83.75 (-2.00)
7 (--)  France 81.04
8 (↑10) Japan 80.70 (+4.00)
9 (↓8) Scotland 80.54
10 (↓9) Argentina 76.79


Japan are 8th... just overtaken Argentina and Scotland. Ireland slip to 4th.

Japan top 8 huh?
16 out of 31 foreign born, as are coach, co coach.
The trend continues...

It's usually seen as acceptable for a developing nation, and as a result they've overtaken the likes of Italy in a shorter space of time.

mikey_dragon wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

Not as much as there will be when Fiji beat Wales...

Putting a bet on it?

I have been thinking about it

LondonTiger wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Poorfour wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Mr Fishpaste wrote:Springbok B-team 41-7 Japan....just saying

Yes, just shows how relative matches over the last year really are. World Cup Rugby. There’s nothing like it. You can’t hide here.

Assuming they've got no injuries, Japan will be targeting a semi final. They'll be hugely motivated against Scotland after 2915, and they know they have a game to trouble the Books, even if the chance of a win is fairly low.

Japan are 17 and 1 vs non tier one sides apparently.

Showed. Jamie Joseph will be sought after. As tough as it gets and would suit a NH side. What’s the bet he goes into the reckoning.

He already coaches a NH side.

Yes, just. A 6N one then.
Amazing considering many are from the Sunwolves who again finished last Super rugby.

Taylorman wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Does this mean Japan are ranked #1 now?

1 New Zealand 90.98
2 (↑3) England 88.13
3 (↑4) Wales 87.32
4 (↓2) Ireland 85.93 (-4.00)
5 (↑6) Australia 85.07
6 (↓5) South Africa 83.75 (-2.00)
7 (--)  France 81.04
8 (↑10) Japan 80.70 (+4.00)
9 (↓8) Scotland 80.54
10 (↓9) Argentina 76.79


Japan are 8th... just overtaken Argentina and Scotland. Ireland slip to 4th.

Japan top 8 huh?
16 out of 31 foreign born, as are coach, co coach.
The trend continues...

Yeah but at least they are in the Pacific Hemisphere.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

Not as much as there will be when Fiji beat Wales...

Putting a bet on it?

I have been thinking about it

Go on, do it and let us know. You lot repeat the same thing every time, so uninteresting .

mikey_dragon wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:A lot of vitriol on here today, have I missed something

Not as much as there will be when Fiji beat Wales...

Putting a bet on it?

I have been thinking about it

Go on, do it and let us know. You lot repeat the same thing every time, so uninteresting .

Yes Mikey and you banging on about Ireland and refs is so brand new

Well done Japan... could be a Japan v Wales final... ..think I’d rather face the All Blacks.