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Post by BamBam Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

England: 15. Elliot Daly; 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May; 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler, 2. Jamie George, 3. Kyle Sinckler; 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis; 6. Tom Curry, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell.

Argentina: 15. Emiliano Boffelli, 14. Matías Moroni, 13. Matias Orlando, 12. Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11. Santiago Carreras, 10. Benjamin Urdapilleta, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 8. Javier Ortega Desio, 7. Marcos Kremer, 6. Pablo Matera (c), 5. Tomas Lavanini, 4. Guido Petti Pagadizabal, 3. Juan Figallo, 2. Julian Montoya, 1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements: 16. Agustín Creevy, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Matias Alemanno, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Felipe Ezcurra, 22. Lucas Mensa, 23. Bautista Delguy

Thought it was time for a match thread

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:13 am

Slick

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Post by kingelderfield Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:13 am

Does he kick it......no again

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:17 am

Need to cut out the silly stuff - don't want any stupid cards

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:20 am

Otherwise too many mistakes but we do look lethal when things come together. Usual story

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Post by BamBam Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:23 am

Argentina defence looks very strong against the direct stuff 

Lavanini in trouble here

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Post by kingelderfield Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:23 am

Yellow falling in not red.

Farrell leans in.......why?


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Post by tigertattie Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:24 am

Game over
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Post by maestegmafia Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:24 am

Red card game over england in the quarters.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:24 am

'no foul play' ?

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:25 am

Ooops - good job the TMO was asked to look as Nige said it was OK in live play ...

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Post by RDW Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:25 am

Definite red but a shame for the game - was a good contest so far.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:25 am

Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye
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Post by Duty281 Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:26 am

Goodnight Argies. Time to rack up the tries and put them out of the tournament. No idea how Nige missed it in real time.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:27 am

It just kills the game.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:27 am

Does worry me that big men are going to struggle to put in big hits.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:27 am

Just tackle round the chest and below!

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Post by ebop Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:27 am

Red cards are ruining rugby
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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:28 am

aim to the right Owen ...

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Post by ebop Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:28 am

Probably concussed
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Post by eirebilly Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:29 am

A definite red but Argentina can feel slightly hard done by with the amount of other hits that have escaped punishment this tournament.

I cant see Argentina getting remotely close now.

Watson tackles in the air? Could we see another card?
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Post by TightHEAD Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:29 am

Play acting is a disgrace
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:29 am

Argentina started well nearly scored a try in the opening minutes, Johnny may covering saved us.

A red card for Argentina for a  no arms tackle.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

Typical that it would be these guys doing it
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

Play acting by the Argie there surely?! But should be a penalty against manu.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

ebop wrote:Probably concussed

Would we notice the difference?

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Post by englishborn Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

Players not tackling within the rules are ruining rugby. I hated that decision but it was always a red and could have very easily been a legal tackle by going lower

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Post by eirebilly Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...
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Post by kingelderfield Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 am

This could get really messy

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Post by tigertattie Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:31 am

ebop wrote:Red cards are ruining rugby

Foul play is the issue, not the red card
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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:31 am

Completely different challenges billy

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:32 am

Everyone needs to calm down a bit

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Post by ebop Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:32 am

Where’s the yellow card for tackling in the air?
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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:32 am

Not a YC offence ...

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Post by TightHEAD Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:33 am

Young's is hopeless
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Post by tigertattie Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:33 am

eirebilly wrote:Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

He should have been. For the number of pens England have conceded and the times the ref has had to speak to both teams if nothing else
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Post by eirebilly Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:33 am

Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.
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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:33 am

This is a complete mess at the moment

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:34 am

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

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Post by EnglishReign Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:35 am

You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

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Post by lostinwales Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:36 am

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Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

He did seem to land on his ego though.

I can only say that because he was'nt in danger of getting hurt

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:36 am

Not 10 from the kick surely?

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Post by kingelderfield Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:37 am

Concentration dropped off by both sides

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Post by Heaf Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:38 am

and Nige ...

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Post by BamBam Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:38 am

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

Come on billy, you can't compare a shoulder to the jaw and a tackle 6 inches off the ground where the player is put down gently

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Post by RiscaGame Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:38 am

Wouldn't mind seeing the "World's Best Ref's" position for that red again. Shocking call to say the tackle was okay live.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am

TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?


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Post by eirebilly Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am

EnglishReign wrote:You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

The hit on Farrell, definite red card. Even though Farrell was leaning back. It was a cynical late, high hit. Tuilagi, tackle in the air did not end badly but was equally cynical in my opinion (not really a 'timing issue' so could have been deemed a yellow card. That and given the amount of cynical offences England committed in the lead up could have seen a calmative yellow card.

This game is very messy and both teams are guilty.

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Post by BamBam Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:42 am

maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

Go on then, find a video of a Farrell tackle to someone's head

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Post by kingelderfield Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:43 am

Our kick first stratergy is nonsense.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:43 am

Tbf Bam i found a little selection and there is a high hit in that when farrell is playing for saracens. I'm sure that is what Maes is referring to.


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