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Post by bsando Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:30 pm

France: Anthony Bouthier, Teddy Thomas, Arthur Vincent, Gaël Fickou, Vincent Rattez, Romain Ntamack, Antoine Dupont, Cyril Baille, Julien Marchand, Mohamed Haouas, Bernard Le Roux, Paul Willemse, François Cros, Charles Ollivon (c), Grégory Alldritt

Replacements: Peato Mauvaka, Jefferson Poirot, Demba Bamba, Romain Taofifenua, Boris Palu, Cameron Woki, Baptiste Serin, Matthieu Jalibert

Italy: Jayden Hayward, Mattia Bellini, Luca Morisi, Carlo Canna, Matteo Minozzi, Tommaso Allan, Callum Braley, Andrea Lovotti, Luca Bigi (c), Giosuè Zilocchi, Dean Budd, Niccolò Cannone, Sebastian Negri, Jake Polledri, Abraham Steyn

Replacements: Federico Zani, Danilo Fischetti, Marco Riccioni, ?, Federico Ruzza, Giovanni Licata, Guglielmo Palazzani, Giulio Bisegni

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Post by bsando Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:32 pm

13 - 10 after 30 mins. Italy very clinical with their chances so far. France a little wasteful

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Post by bsando Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:34 pm

Also, Scotland are now the only side not to have scored a try so far.

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:44 pm

Couple of homer decisions in that half from ref...

That said france are in total control, they may concede another try or two but this italy team are not a tier one nation.


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Post by majesticimperialman Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:46 pm

France playing some greta rugby. But Italy scoring a great try to bring them back into the game.

Italy playing better than they did last week. looking forward to the second half.

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Post by bsando Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:51 pm

Minozzi to the wing with Hayward at fullback is a good move I think, seems to be working a lot better than last weeks postioning. Their try was excellent I thought, calmly executed and well worked. France look dangerous in every position though, them and Ireland really do look like teams to beat this 6N.

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:00 pm

Let's be honest, there isn't a great team this year, a lot of changes, some teams have huge injury lists, England ireland and wales have settled squads, with wales abandoning their usual gameplan.

I think the 2 big differences so far, are Farrells pragmatism keeping the Irish gameplan similar, and Sean Edwards influence.

I can see everyone beating everyone this year, as there isn't a side consistent enough to slam

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:02 pm

Italy are doing a great job of working out the French defence, once the rush doesn't dominate the French defence is very confused

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Post by whocares Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:04 pm

Allan and co managed to find some gaps in a shaky french rush defense. Dupont, Le Roux and Ollivon having a good game so far. That’s basically the summary of the first half.

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:08 pm

You forgot to mention the rub of the refs green, and some very poor decision making...

France have kicked to the corner twice and got nothing from easy 3 point range!

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:11 pm

French luck at maximum, a massive and awful kick bounces off the post, then a scramble from their own dead ball line touches an Italian on the way in!!!

Italy can't buy a bounce of the ball right now

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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:13 pm

Some lovely intricate play from Italy at times. Impotent stuff of course in the large picture of overall structure but just shows you what a joke it is when defining good sides by their trickery levels.

Think Italy would have benefitted more from a Kiwi coach rather than O'Shea.  They wasted a few years.  O'Shea's natural bent seems to be youth development more than high end International coaching.


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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:14 pm

Italy staying in the game and France gone right off the boil

Allen however misses an easy one

Still 23-10 France

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:15 pm

SecretFly wrote:Some lovely intricate play from Italy at times. Impotent stuff of course in the large picture of overall structure but just shows you what a joke it is when defining good sides by their trickery levels.

Think Italy would have benefitted more from a Kiwi coach rather than O'Shea.  They wasted a few years.  O'Shea's natural bent seems to be youth development more than high end International coaching.

Well their U20s going well. so maybe will leave a legacy!

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:15 pm

He had a hand in the set up of the Academy system though didn't he? Which has seen huge strides for them in the last few years...


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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:17 pm

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SecretFly wrote:Some lovely intricate play from Italy at times. Impotent stuff of course in the large picture of overall structure but just shows you what a joke it is when defining good sides by their trickery levels.

Think Italy would have benefitted more from a Kiwi coach rather than O'Shea.  They wasted a few years.  O'Shea's natural bent seems to be youth development more than high end International coaching.

Well their U20s going well. so maybe will leave a legacy!

Yeah but his job was to make Italy itself safer occupants of a Six Nations family. The music is again loud in demoting them. They have a foundation that I think is being under utilised by the wrong kind of coaches...so far.

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:17 pm

Weirdly, the French D is looking very tired, some huge yardage from Italy ball in hand, especially given that Edwards entire strategy is to hunt in pairs and France aren't right now

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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:19 pm

Yep, French minds characteristically drifting off intensity levels.............. until just some seconds ago!

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:19 pm

Great try from Ntamack, ghosted through that gap

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:20 pm

You'd expect the flood gates to open now...

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:21 pm

Italy 14 is a really poor player!

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Post by whocares Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:24 pm

Italy dominating all collisions in the 2nd half of and making easy yards but France managed to get a try after some decent forward work.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:25 pm

Not sure the pen that lead to that shouldn't have gone the other way - the player making the turnover may have been legal but the tackler hadn't released giving the Italian the opportunity to present the ball.

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:26 pm

Good score Italy

Another converted score and game on again

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:28 pm

France are definitely not the finished article yet, they have not put Italy away at all as they should have

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:29 pm

Again, French defence and mindset is has just collapsed.

Bamba again has shown the penalty machine he is, the wider fringes of the defence are half hearted, and the breakdown is becoming a lottery

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:29 pm

3 silly penalties in a row, an Italy try here will make the last 10 very interesting

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:30 pm

Awfull reffing there! There was a double tackler on the ball carrier, ref hadn't called a maul and 4 French forwards dived the wrong side of the tackle...

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:35 pm

I cannot believe we havnt seen a yellow card yet! 6/7 penalties in a row, not even a warning.


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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:36 pm

I think you can just hear him call maul virtually as soon as they land ... wether it was really a maul at that point is another thing.

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:36 pm

Italy have had their chances in this half but not taken them. France switched off as soon as they got the BP

Ireland and Wales won't be so generous when they play them. It will be interesting to see how they go with an away fixture

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Post by Collapse2005 Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:38 pm

Amazing try from Baptiste Serin

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:39 pm

I think Wales at home will be too much for them at this point ...

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:39 pm

Bellini totally switched off, then out paced, out muscled...

France get the rub of the green, at home as I think they got last week, but what a mess of a mindset! The old signs are still there, I don't see them winning away often

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:40 pm

Great individual try but Italy stood back and watched

It will go down as a big win for France but that won't tell the whole story of the match

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:43 pm

I would have liked to have seen the tackle when the ball shot backwards 20 yards - could have been a knock-on in the tackle surely?

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Post by Collapse2005 Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:44 pm

BigGee wrote:Great individual try but Italy stood back and watched

It will go down as a big win for France but that won't tell the whole story of the match

Yeah true

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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:45 pm

Any team that can look so lethargic for long stretches and still pick off those scores is a good team.

So they're a handful sure enough. Confidence levels charging their self belief might take them the whole way. Sometimes 'it's our year' seems to emanate from sides.

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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:46 pm

...I wasn't referring to Italy! Laugh

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:50 pm

Italy deserved that try, and after winning the second half maybe deserved a BP too...

France need a full 80 at high tempo to beat wales, if the Welsh defend so poorly it will be a very close game.

To be positive about Italy, some lovely tries, and some very nice attacking play.

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Post by whocares Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:03 pm

No one in his right mind thinks that a team averaging a couple of caps per player would be a finished article ! Obviously Wales or Ireland with all their  experience, skills ,  gamesmanship or annoying ref talking would put this France team to the sword easily Wink however the lack of intensity in the 2nd half is quite a worry for the future. the score was in the end quite flattering with France riding their luck while Italy deserved better (personally  Polledri is my man of the match).

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Post by Dirtydave Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:07 pm

He is a quality operator isn't he!

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:10 pm

I enjoyed that game but France don't like playing for 80 minutes do they. Ireland should beat them in Dublin.

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:14 pm

guestalt_physicality wrote:I enjoyed that game but France don't like playing for 80 minutes do they. Ireland should beat them in Dublin.

Unfortunately they are playing Ireland in Paris, last game. Could be a GS decider!

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Post by SecretFly Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:18 pm

Wherever they play us, it'll be a tough old fight, as it tends to be.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:37 pm

Some great play today from France looking like the French of old when the like of Galtie,Pollose Manyour played. two wins from 2,2 bonus point wins France looking good so far for the Grand Slam.....if they keep playing like this who can stop them?

Italy though produced some good play of their own, but just not good enough in the end.

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:42 pm

BigGee wrote:
guestalt_physicality wrote:I enjoyed that game but France don't like playing for 80 minutes do they. Ireland should beat them in Dublin.

Unfortunately they are playing Ireland in Paris, last game. Could be a GS decider!

oh okay then that makes it more interesting.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:51 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Some great play today from France looking like the French of  old when the like of Galtie,Pollose Manyour played. two wins from 2,2 bonus point wins France looking good so far for the Grand Slam.....if they keep playing like this who can stop them?

Italy though produced some good play of their own, but  just not good enough in the end.

2 bonus point wins?

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:53 pm

Did they not get a bonus win against England and today against Italy?

That in my mind makes it 2 bonus point wins.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:55 pm

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