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Post by profitius on Sat 22 Aug 2020, 11:59

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What do you want to see this season? What players do you want to see make the squad? Don't say Ian Madigan!. Very Happy
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Post by profitius on Mon 23 Nov 2020, 19:43

I'm none the wiser on where we stand at the moment. One thing's for sure, the lineout has been sh!te for a long time now so maybe a fresh voice is needed in the coaching staff.
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Post by Maine man on Tue 24 Nov 2020, 11:54

Eric O'Sullivan called into Ireland squad. Probably been one of Ulster's best and most consistent players of last 2 years.
Looking forward to seeing what team will be named on Saturday.

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Post by Maine man on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 17:02

Ireland team for Georgia match.
Ireland: Stockdale; Earls, Farrell, McCloskey, Keenan; Burns, Murray; Bealham, Herring, Porter, Henderson, James Ryan (capt), Beirne, Connors, Stander.

Replacements: Heffernan, Healy, John Ryan, Roux, O'Mahony, Marmion, Byrne, Daly.



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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 20:18

May as well put EOS on the bench, don't see what you achieve by having Healy in the 23 any more given the other LH's that are available.

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Post by Maine man on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 21:46

mikey_dragon wrote:May as well put EOS on the bench, don't see what you achieve by having Healy in the 23 any more given the other LH's that are available.

Totally agree. Seems odd plus gives Healy a rest. As an Ulster fan, I'm looking forward to seeing how McCloskey gets on.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 22:13

Maine man wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:May as well put EOS on the bench, don't see what you achieve by having Healy in the 23 any more given the other LH's that are available.

Totally agree. Seems odd plus gives Healy a rest. As an Ulster fan, I'm looking forward to seeing how McCloskey gets on.

I think Farrell is a very limited coach. A great defence coach no doubts about that, but he seems to be clinging onto what Joe did. Irish rugby is in a strong position and I feel he isn’t utilising that. Healy is solid enough but probably a bit past it - should have a couple years left with Leinster though.

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Post by Maine man on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 22:39

mikey_dragon wrote:
Maine man wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:May as well put EOS on the bench, don't see what you achieve by having Healy in the 23 any more given the other LH's that are available.

Totally agree. Seems odd plus gives Healy a rest. As an Ulster fan, I'm looking forward to seeing how McCloskey gets on.

I think Farrell is a very limited coach. A great defence coach no doubts about that, but he seems to be clinging onto what Joe did. Irish rugby is in a strong position and I feel he isn’t utilising that. Healy is solid enough but probably a bit past it - should have a couple years left with Leinster though.

I also have my doubts about Farrell. I was very underwhelmed with his appointment. It just seems like more of the same old. It reminds of a quote I once read about the English cricket team. "It's harder to get dropped from it than get selected for it " Same goes for a few of this Ireland squad

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Post by Maine man on Thu 26 Nov 2020, 22:39

mikey_dragon wrote:
Maine man wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:May as well put EOS on the bench, don't see what you achieve by having Healy in the 23 any more given the other LH's that are available.

Totally agree. Seems odd plus gives Healy a rest. As an Ulster fan, I'm looking forward to seeing how McCloskey gets on.

I think Farrell is a very limited coach. A great defence coach no doubts about that, but he seems to be clinging onto what Joe did. Irish rugby is in a strong position and I feel he isn’t utilising that. Healy is solid enough but probably a bit past it - should have a couple years left with Leinster though.

I also have my doubts about Farrell. I was very underwhelmed with his appointment. It just seems like more of the same old. It reminds of a quote I once read about the English cricket team. "It's harder to get dropped from it than get selected for it " Same goes for a few of this Ireland squad

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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 14:18

Cracking game against Georgia. Ireland seem to be winning in this one.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 14:19

Scratch that.  Georgian 13 weaves magically through the Irish defence and scores under the posts. Try of the tournament so far.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 14:46

Harsh ruling out that as forward.

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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 15:25

No 7&1/2 wrote:Harsh ruling out that as forward.

I can see way its given forward but if that's forward then lots of other tries would have to be chalked off. Take nothing away from the Georgia try, the inside pass to the centre was forward as well if Stockdales pass was forward

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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 15:28

I've seen statues more mobile than Byrne. He just ships the ball without fixing any opposition players

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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 15:59

For me the highlight was the final whistle. Christ that was woeful

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 16:09

Georgia made it hard work for Ireland they really had to scrap hard for the win. How did they keep CJ stander out in the dying seconds of the game.

Good score for Georgia Ireland won in the end but Georgia proving they are getting better with every game they play.

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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 17:34

I would love one of the home nations to play Georgia in Georgia each year. I think they should be included in the autumn internationals each year.

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Post by profitius on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 18:13

Maine man wrote:For me the highlight was the final whistle. Christ that was woeful


It was a well worn whistle too.


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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 18:57

profitius wrote:
Maine man wrote:For me the highlight was the final whistle. Christ that was woeful


It was a well worn whistle too.

Indeed it was. He'll need a new one tomorrow. Some of his decisions at the scrum were odd to say the least



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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 19:19

Maine man wrote:I've seen statues more mobile than Byrne. He just ships the ball without fixing any opposition players
Who else is there? Burns is lucky to have even been capped let alone be the one to lead the line for the next WC. We will have a crisis at 10 once Sexton is gone.

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Post by Pete330v2 on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 19:41

Burns played well and is still on an upward trajectory in his career. I think he's better than Byrne senior and just as good as Byrne junior who looks to be a bit of a rough diamond. He'll leapfrog Ross soon enough. Another Irish outhalf got MOTM for London Irish today, he's better than all Sexton's understudies. Just saying Wink
Ireland were utterly awful today. It was the wrong gameplan to try and outmuscle the muscular Georgia. Playing Bealham at loose head was idiotic and our attack is so blunt you'd think Deccie Kidney was back. That being said a full strength 1stXV would have made mincemeat of that side if given an appropriate gameplan.
Farrell is not the man we're looking for if that's his line of thinking with this player pool.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 20:51

Pete330v2 wrote:Burns played well and is still on an upward trajectory in his career. I think he's better than Byrne senior and just as good as Byrne junior who looks to be a bit of a rough diamond. He'll leapfrog Ross soon enough. Another Irish outhalf got MOTM for London Irish today, he's better than all Sexton's understudies. Just saying Wink
Ireland were utterly awful today. It was the wrong gameplan to try and outmuscle the muscular Georgia. Playing Bealham at loose head was idiotic and our attack is so blunt you'd think Deccie Kidney was back. That being said a full strength 1stXV would have made mincemeat of that side if given an appropriate gameplan.
Farrell is not the man we're looking for if that's his line of thinking with this player pool.
Burns is solid enough but that's all he'll ever be (imo). Ross has been disappointing considering how good he's been for Leinster against much tougher opposition in Europe. It doesn't help when your only two starts have been against in England in twickers, what a great way to shatter someone's confidence before their international career has even started.

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Post by profitius on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 22:31

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Maine man wrote:I've seen statues more mobile than Byrne. He just ships the ball without fixing any opposition players
Who else is there? Burns is lucky to have even been capped let alone be the one to lead the line for the next WC. We will have a crisis at 10 once Sexton is gone.


Bit harsh on Burns. He looks much better than Ross Byrne.

There should not be a problem going forward. Harry Byrne and Ben Healy are coming along nicely. Jack Crowley is very highly rated too. They'll have to step up multiple levels though.
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Post by doctor_grey on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 22:44

Have there been any good matches in this Autumn Nations tournament? Almost appears no one wants to be there. That last match of the Six Nations between France and Ireland was decent and probably the best match since lockdown.

I wonder if all the restrictions which go along with Covid-19 might be really impacting the players.

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Post by Maine man on Sun 29 Nov 2020, 22:46

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Maine man wrote:I've seen statues more mobile than Byrne. He just ships the ball without fixing any opposition players
Who else is there? Burns is lucky to have even been capped let alone be the one to lead the line for the next WC. We will have a crisis at 10 once Sexton is gone.

His little brother for a start. He seems to have a more all round game. I'm not a Burns fan either.

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Post by theslosty on Mon 30 Nov 2020, 00:23

profitius wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Maine man wrote:I've seen statues more mobile than Byrne. He just ships the ball without fixing any opposition players
Who else is there? Burns is lucky to have even been capped let alone be the one to lead the line for the next WC. We will have a crisis at 10 once Sexton is gone.


Bit harsh on Burns. He looks much better than Ross Byrne.

There should not be a problem going forward. Harry Byrne and Ben Healy are coming along nicely. Jack Crowley is very highly rated too. They'll have to step up multiple levels though.
I agree here, there should be enough time for Healy or H Byrne to establish themselves in time for 2023, and Carbery is still young enough if he makes a sound recovery, touch wood.

However, can anyone in the know tell me why Jack Carty hasn't featured recently? Has he lost form at Connacht?

If Sexton and Carbery are unavailable, then to me Carty is our next best outhalf in terms of pure ability. He went reasonably well in the handful of caps Schmidt gave him - and I also thought there was still potential for improvement the more international time he could get. But he seems to have been strangely scapegoated for the Japan defeat... a game in which he still had some good moments and wasn't nearly as poor as the semi-fit Carbery that replaced him.
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Post by Maine man on Sun 20 Dec 2020, 09:21

Quick question for fellow Ireland fans. What's everyone's opinion on JJ Hanrahan? All the plaudits this season are for his colleague Healy but I've been impressed by JJ Hanrahan for some time. Is he an option for Ireland? I know he was rated a few years ago before he took himself to Northampton. Would just like to hear what people think especially Munster fans.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder on Sun 20 Dec 2020, 12:02

I'm a Leinster fan so don't see every game but I don't think JJ is international level. A very good Pro14 player and a capable Heineken Cup option but he's inconsistent and if Carbery cones back I can see him being 3rd choice for Munster in 2 years time.
I hope Ireland can learn a lesson from Munster's win yesterday, just because you're down by a couple of scores early doesn't mean you stop kicking at goal.If teams let you stay in the game through poor discipline then punish them for it.

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Post by profitius on Sun 20 Dec 2020, 21:33

Kicking off the ground was always one of JJs strong areas. He won the pro14 golden boot last season and won it again when he was 21 or 22. He also has excellent handling and a very good passing game.


His problem is kicking from hand and decision making. He makes some poor decisions constantly.
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Post by Brendan on Thu 24 Dec 2020, 14:59

Agree on JJ does grand at club level but with less time at international would struggle.  You wouldn't say that the momentum in the Clermont game changed because of anything he did in the way O'Gara would with a few in game kicks to either relieve pressure on Munster or increase it on the opposition.  JJ's kick to the corner that missed is a good case in point. Where he took pressure off the opposition.

I don't know if his move to Tigers stalled him as he struggled there.  In Munster he was the golden boy before he left but hadn't forced his way into the team so I think a kid with potential that never came.

I'd take Carty over JJ at international as he looks as good in a weaker team and with a weaker pack.  Like R Byrne, JJ looks good behind a strong pack and a good backline to pass to.  Carty has to make things happen to turn games which can be good but also bad. It is why I think he doesn't get pick for Ireland.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 28 Dec 2020, 08:52

Ben Healy and Billy Burns look like the form guys at the moment. Would like to see more of Harry Byrne. Ross Byrne and JJ Hanrahan arent good enough for Ireland IMO. Think Carty should get another chance too.

Time to fade Sexton out.

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Post by Brendan on Mon 04 Jan 2021, 21:34

Carty had a good game at the weekend. Looking forward to the 2 final inter pros if they go ahead

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 05 Jan 2021, 12:24

Yeah he did, as did Tom Daly.

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Post by Brendan on Tue 05 Jan 2021, 13:45

O'Gara talked about Carty needing to be more consistent which is fair enough. He had a good game be Racing too but not against Ulster.

It will be interesting to see how he goes against Munster.

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