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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 6:52 pm

Nice to have somewhere to post about this tournament.

https://www.world.rugby/news/586964/autumn-nations-cup-everything-you-need-to-know?lang=en

First up Ireland v Wales.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 6:53 pm

Can't see Wales winning this given the way they're playing but Ireland don't look up to much themselves.

Can't see too much in the way of tactics, either. A gruelling game of rugby where mistakes and individual genius is likely to decide who wins. Ireland's greater accuracy and cynicism makes them favourites for me.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:01 pm

Ireland by 10

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:06 pm

An early sign of how Ireland will play: cynically.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:08 pm

It's sad Jones has moved onto trying to get pens reversed etc. Doesnt stick out that he used to do that earlier in his career.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:08 pm

Ref's in adnger of losing control here already. Lots of off the ball.

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Post by bsando on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:09 pm

Crazy anger from both sides

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:11 pm

Carre struggling again with a shorter tight head. Worrying.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:12 pm

bsando wrote:Crazy anger from both sides

No love lost between these two teams.

We hate the Irish more than anyone else, remember... Whistle

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:15 pm

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bsando wrote:Crazy anger from both sides

No love lost between these two teams.

We hate the Irish more than anyone else, remember... Whistle

Good to hear the crowd being respectful of the kickers for a change in this fixture though Rolling Eyes

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:15 pm

Ireland got away with that restart. Pom off his feet straight away.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:16 pm

It's so quick for Ireland. Too much naivety, not enough numbers to gang tackle them and slow down their gang carries.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:17 pm

That's the difference Tipuric makes. He can't do it all on his own though. The defence looks shocking.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:20 pm

Raynal getting 'help' from Sexton. Feeling guilty for giving a penalty against the home team...

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:22 pm

Right on cue, nonsense penalty to Ireland.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:23 pm

Bit of a mess at the breakdown so far. Wales getting away with quite a bit! A lot of the structure has just disappeared from their game. Not just set pieces but restarts breakdown. Seem a bit lost.

Irelands attack looks great. Just losing put on that last pass. Need a bit of composure.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:24 pm

POM actually thought he could go toe-to-toe with AWJ, his mates had to come on and make sure he didn’t get hurt.

I got Raynal confused with someone else, I don’t remember him from any of the previous fixtures between Wales and Ireland. He’s very pedantic on Wales so far.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:25 pm

Ireland clearly confident they have Wales on the rops in both the tight and phase play. Can''t disagree.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:25 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:POM actually thought he could go toe-to-toe with AWJ, his mates had to come on and make sure he didn’t get hurt.

I got Raynal confused with someone else, I don’t remember him from any of the previous fixtures between Wales and Ireland. He’s very pedantic on Wales so far.

Hes being pretty consistent. Missing a bit but those breakdowns are war zones at the moment. Important carre needs to paint a better picture at the scrum.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:27 pm

There's a match thread, boys. You might have missed it. It clogs up national team threads if you post stuff like this. Best come join us over here. Otherwise it looks like you're ignoring it deliberately... https://www.606v2.com/t69832-autumm-nations-cup-round-1-match-threads-ire-v-wal-ita-v-sco-eng-v-geo-fra-v-fiji

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:28 pm

Unlucky. First good scrum, turned it over, then turned back over. Wales look clueless about getting to and securing the breakdown, in attack and defence. Severe lack of urgency.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:29 pm

Also, if I could sum this Welsh team up, it's like a club side trying to play test rugby. They look second rate at too many things. A bit like Scotland under Townsend - some basic parts of the game almost seem optional.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:29 pm

Wales really not looking good at all so far

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:30 pm

Ireland just starting to dominate here. Jones needs to get hold of them and just ask for discipline. If they continue youd just imagine a yellow is entering the refs head.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:31 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ireland just starting to dominate here. Jones needs to get hold of them and just ask for discipline. If they continue youd just imagine a yellow is entering the refs head.

Match thread: https://www.606v2.com/t69832-autumm-nations-cup-round-1-match-threads-ire-v-wal-ita-v-sco-eng-v-geo-fra-v-fiji

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:32 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Wales really not looking good at all so far

The early fisticuffs make sense now.

Wales do not look like a team that came out believing they could win this game.

Dire. Second rate. Uncompetitive.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:33 pm

Big blow having sexton come off but Burns is a good player. Probably better than his brother was when being capped by england.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:34 pm

It's still early days but if we see nothing tonight - no fight back, no area of skill or dominance - then Pivac is a dead man walking. He did exactly this at the Scarlets, months and game after game of dross. It happened on several occasions as well. He won't get the time at test level.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:34 pm

Yeah definitely, two of the same penalties in a row at the scrum is a shocker. It’s what we expected from Wales though, poor attack and defence, too many penalties.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:35 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Big blow having sexton come off but Burns is a good player. Probably better than his brother was when being capped by england.

Big blow, but we’ll need more favours.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:35 pm

Good come back there though mikey. Sometimes a small thing can lead to that swing. Wales need something at the moment. Perhaps just get to half time and get some oxygen and calm heads.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:36 pm

Lowe already looking very comfortable at this level.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:38 pm

Even on the back foot like this, a running 10-12 axis would give Wales a shot.

Watkin and Biggar offer nothing.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:40 pm

Great wide defence but the Welsh pack is getting manshamed in every area.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:40 pm

1 step forward 2 back at the scrum. After defending the ref (I always give the benefit) his looseness at the breakdown is giving the go ahead for some heavy cleapruts WR are trying to get rid of.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:40 pm

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Gooseberry wrote:Wales really not looking good at all so far

The early fisticuffs make sense now.

Wales do not look like a team that came out believing they could win this game.

Dire. Second rate. Uncompetitive.

They've been fighting pretty well on their line. Just every other aspect of the game .....

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:42 pm

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Gooseberry wrote:Wales really not looking good at all so far

The early fisticuffs make sense now.

Wales do not look like a team that came out believing they could win this game.

Dire. Second rate. Uncompetitive.

They've been fighting pretty well on their line. Just every other aspect of the game .....

I wouldn't even give them that. They held out for, what, 5 phases? The speed and power makes this just a non contest. It's embarrassing.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:43 pm

Scrum and forwards in general has gone backwards. It wasn’t amazing before but it wasn’t this bad. Humphreys might be gone before the 2 years is up.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:44 pm

There's literally no area this Welsh team can hang their hat. No 'back to basics' area. Defence poor. Aerial game poor. Crashball not an option. Penalty count is ridiculous. And running game? Hasn't existed since Henson and Shanklin were playing together.

Wales look like a team that is drowning. Every area, every aspect, they're getting dominated.

They're doing well to only be 10 points down. This could be a hammering.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:46 pm

Jees. Pom causing havoc. Looks a try at first?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:47 pm

No. But scrum 5 ireland.

Gone to wales. Lucky escape.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:48 pm

Had that been a try it would have summed Wales up.

Carre off. Right call. He's just too tall.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:48 pm

Big call, Wyn Jones on for Carre. Carre shouldn’t take all the blame for our scrum. Poor from the coaches.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:49 pm

Ouch. Carre won't like that.

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Post by rugby racing and beer on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:49 pm

Yeah, there we go. The difference Wyn Jones makes.

Honestly, 10 points down is a good result for Wales.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:52 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Big call, Wyn Jones on for Carre. Carre shouldn’t take all the blame for our scrum. Poor from the coaches.

Sometimes you have to bite the bullet but hes a young guy who has a lot of potential. So close to half time you think a risk for longer term could be taken? Some guys never come back to from being subbed first half. Hope the coaches and senior players are just having a quiet word of reassurance.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:52 pm

So many off side by Wales, Ireland just seem to be too good all over the field at the moment.
Let's hope Wales can pull some thing out of the bag, and make a better game of it in the second half.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 7:56 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Big call, Wyn Jones on for Carre. Carre shouldn’t take all the blame for our scrum. Poor from the coaches.

Sometimes you have to bite the bullet but hes a young guy who has a lot of potential. So close to half time you think a risk for longer term could be taken? Some guys never come back to from being subbed forat half. Hope the coaches and senior players are just having a quiet word of reassurance.

He didn't look happy when he came off. Pretty embarrassing to be subbed like that with the coaches clearly just not having the confidence in you.

Ref had told AWJ that he was on a warning having conceded two penalties in quick succession so it could have been the coaches were worried that if the scrum went down the ref would assume it was him and if he was in the ref's mind as someone conceding penalties there could have been a card risk.

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Post by Brendan on Fri 13 Nov 2020, 8:00 pm

Nice to see Ireland knowing what they want to do in attack.  Hope they keep it up but it looks very much like the four weeks is finally get some new things coming off.

Wales though are making it seem better than it is.

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