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Post by bsando Wed 20 Jan 2021, 9:17 am

First topic message reminder :

Super Rugby AU and Super Rugby Aotearoa returns in just under a months time!

If like me you follow a few of the teams on social media you'll have seen they're working hard to get up to match fitness.

My team (Western Force) are backing up their return with a few slick signings in Rob Kearney, Tevita Kuridrani, Tom Robertson and Tomas Cubelli. I'm optimistic the Force will have a good season and secure their long term future in Super Rugby. Below is a nice write up on Kahui and his journey from All Black to Western Force's "koro".

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/richard-kahui-all-blacks-western-force/

Meanwhile in NZ the wounded Chiefs will be hoping for a better season as the Crusaders will expect to continue their title winning form of 2020. Their golden boy, Will Jordan is an All Black now and he will surely continue to light up the competition with his blistering pace and natural talent. Lots of great rugby to look forward to! (with fans!!)

Fixtures

Super Rugby Aotearoa

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Round 1
Queensland Reds v NSW Waratahs, Friday 19 February, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Western Force v Brumbies, Friday 19 February, HBF Park, Perth

Round 2
Queensland Reds v Melbourne Rebels, Friday 26 February, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Brumbies v NSW Waratahs, Saturday 27 February, GIO Stadium, Canberra

Round 3
NSW Waratahs v Western Force, Friday 5 March, Venue TBC
Melbourne Rebels v Brumbies, Saturday 6 March, AAMI Park, Melbourne

Round 4
Western Force v Melbourne Rebels, Friday 12 March, HBF Park, Perth
Brumbies v Queensland Reds, Saturday 13 March, GIO Stadium, Canberra

Round 5
Melbourne Rebels v NSW Waratahs, Friday 19 March, AAMI Park, Melbourne
Queensland Reds v Western Force, Saturday 20 March, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane

Round 6
Brumbies v Western Force, Friday 26 March, GIO Stadium, Canberra
NSW Waratahs v Queensland Reds, Saturday 27 March, Venue TBC

Round 7
NSW Waratahs v Brumbies, Friday 2 April, Venue TBC
Melbourne Rebels v Queensland Reds, Saturday 3 April, AAMI Park, Melbourne

Round 8
Melbourne Rebels v Western Force, Friday 9 April, AAMI Park, Melbourne
Queensland Reds v Brumbies, Saturday 10 April, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane

Round 9
Brumbies v Melbourne Rebels, Friday 16 April, GIO Stadium, Canberra
Western Force v NSW Waratahs, Saturday 17 April, HBF Park, Perth

Round 10
Western Force v Queensland Reds, Friday 23 April, HBF Park, Perth
NSW Waratahs v Melbourne Rebels, Saturday 24 April, Venue TBC

Qualifying Final
Saturday 1 May

Final
Saturday 8 May

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Post by RDW Wed 10 Mar 2021, 10:59 am

https://www.world.rugby/news/622772?lang=en

Good news in the UK. I really enjoyed last weekend's round of games - the Aussie tournament is definitely much higher standard this year now the teams have been able to properly plan and prepare (who knew?)

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Post by doctor_grey Thu 11 Mar 2021, 5:39 pm

Great news for UK and elsewhere.  Unfortunately, the rights for US are still tangled up in blue.  ESPN nominally have the rights but claim they don’t, excepting Spanish language broadcasts in Latin America.  I wrote to SANZAAR and they say the rights are not finalised due to a lack of people working at ESPN due to Covid.  So, please don’t tell anyone but I have to cheat a bit.  A lot of people here might not watch live but usually watch the Australian and NZ broadcasts in replay.  I would not be surprised if this does not get resolved this season.

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Post by RDW Sat 13 Mar 2021, 10:37 am

Hell of a game Brumbies v Reds with the Reds snatching it late to win 40-38 in Canberra. Brumbies don't lose at home very often so that's a huge result!

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Post by Brendan Sat 13 Mar 2021, 11:13 pm

Is it just me or has the NZ Super Rugby gone from the best rugby in the world (because it was the only one on) to very few if any media in Europe is even mentioning it. It seems to have gone from hero to zero in one year.  It was billed as the greatest rugby outside internationals, now it's not even discussed.

Australian rugby while it is having it's problems seems to be getting less negative publicity then last year and there has been lots of close games. I think the 3N showed that SR AU was a good competition just not the free flowing 1 horse race that SRA was. Also think the Union has played the Force issue well and have started the mending of bridges.

Sky sports isn't showing either competition results on its results page which tells you were it is on the radar. I know there have been TV deal issues but I think that there has been a complete 180 on the power dynamic in Super Rugby.  Australia had their low point last year but are building up.  They have kept the 4 teams and added 1, and are bring through alot of young talent.  Not sure how much of a hit NZRU is taking financially but not having good tv deals outside of the South Pacific can't be great. Add in the debacle over picking a 6th team and it's fair to say that its quickly turning into a nightmare.

Argentina and South Africa have very much moved to the North for club rugby. Australia has come out stronger then it looked a few years ago. NZ will bounce back but seems the NZRU overplayed their cards and don't have many friends in SANZAAR because they took their ball home.

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Post by RDW Sat 13 Mar 2021, 11:22 pm

Yeah the kiwi comp has flown a bit under the radar, and the games for me haven't been as intense or exciting as last year. Still great rugby though. It's a shame the UK TV coverage hasn't sorted itself out - that would be a big market for the kiwis.

I've actually really enjoyed SR Au this year and the quality has been a lot better. The coverage has also been really good with channel 9 / Stan Sports really pushing the boat out with broadcast time and studio guests and summarisers.

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Post by Brendan Sun 14 Mar 2021, 1:12 am

RDW wrote:Yeah the kiwi comp has flown a bit under the radar, and the games for me haven't been as intense or exciting as last year. Still great rugby though. It's a shame the UK TV coverage hasn't sorted itself out - that would be a big market for the kiwis.

I've actually really enjoyed SR Au this year and the quality has been a lot better. The coverage has also been really good with channel 9 / Stan Sports really pushing the boat out with broadcast time and studio guests and summarisers.

I agree that SR Au is a better product. Don't know the financial implications that the domestic league has on the Union but there does seem more of a buzz. 6 months ago it was all about cutting to 3 teams and all the RA infighting, debates over if the Force would play in the NZRU competition. The being treated like a little kid by the NZRU.

This year it's been all about the competition and the rest seems to have passed into a distant dream.

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 14 Mar 2021, 1:57 am

Brendan wrote:
RDW wrote:Yeah the kiwi comp has flown a bit under the radar, and the games for me haven't been as intense or exciting as last year. Still great rugby though. It's a shame the UK TV coverage hasn't sorted itself out - that would be a big market for the kiwis.

I've actually really enjoyed SR Au this year and the quality has been a lot better. The coverage has also been really good with channel 9 / Stan Sports really pushing the boat out with broadcast time and studio guests and summarisers.

I agree that SR Au is a better product.  Don't know the financial implications that the domestic league has on the Union but there does seem more of a buzz.  6 months ago it was all about cutting to 3 teams and all the RA infighting, debates over if the Force would play in the NZRU competition.  The being treated like a little kid by the NZRU.

This year it's been all about the competition and the rest seems to have passed into a distant dream.
As I wrote before, it boggles the mind why the UK/Ire rights as well as the North America rights have not been agreed.  With more people at home, more sport on tv will be a benefit and could deliver more profit.  It's all about funding and extending the NZ contracts should be easy.  They don't want money?  When did that happen? Seems the rights are agreed but not the terms?

With the change is broadcasters/platforms in Oz, maybe a bit more difficult.  As I said SANZAAR basically told me 'don't call us, we will call you', or better said to stick my tv remote where the sun don't shine.  Still have a couple of people to call yet.

It's also weird the Top 14 rights are not agreed for NA either.  But I think that is a Canal+ issue.  If things keep going like this I might have to start talking to my family.....

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Post by RDW Sun 14 Mar 2021, 7:10 am

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/skilful-tough-and-thrilling-rugbys-forced-revamp-has-been-just-super-20210314-p57alp.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1615703617

Good article here - will be interesting to judge at the end of the season but I agree that domestic derbies followed by cross border competition could be a winner.

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Post by RDW Sat 03 Apr 2021, 11:25 am

Got to say I've really enjoyed Super Rugby AU this year - probably even more so than the Kiwi comp. There's been som real competitive games and plenty attacking rugby on show.

The Tahs have been pish and the coach was sacked last week, bit they put a much improved performance in against the Brumbies last night, missing a last kick of the game conversion to go to extra time.

The Reds have been fantastic and Brumbies their usual effective selves.

It's a shame the games haven't been on in the UK.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 03 Apr 2021, 11:47 am

RDW wrote:Got to say I've really enjoyed Super Rugby AU this year - probably even more so than the Kiwi comp. There's been som real competitive games and plenty attacking rugby on show.

The Tahs have been pish and the coach was sacked last week, bit they put a much improved performance in against the Brumbies last night, missing a last kick of the game conversion to go to extra time.

The Reds have been fantastic and Brumbies their usual effective selves.

It's a shame the games haven't been on in the UK.

You can watch the games for free on the World Rugby website.

The Tahs final try yesterday was really stupid. A two man advantage and from a set scrum you work the space down the short side leaving a touchline conversion. Surely you dummy down the blindside but go open to try and manufacture an easier kick for the draw, especially when you've got a young kicker on the pitch. "Here you go kid, added time, touchline conversion for the draw. No pressure."

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Post by RDW Sat 03 Apr 2021, 12:00 pm

Given how awful the Tahs have been lately the fact that they were able to potentially snatch a draw is huge progress!

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 03 Apr 2021, 12:17 pm

RDW wrote:Given how awful the Tahs have been lately the fact that they were able to potentially snatch a draw is huge progress!

They did well to fight back within touching distance but if I was a Tahs fan or part of the coaching set up I'd looking at the leaders in the squad there. The decision makers, what were they thinking? They took the easy option for the try and then hung the kicker out to dry. You're two men up and the opposition are packing down 8 in the scrum. If you're backs can't orchestrate a try that close to the line with those numbers then they probably shouldn't be professionals. The hard work has done this is where you take the glory but the top two inches were missing on the final move for me.

I worry for Australia rugby because you look at those sides and the cohesion isn't great. There's some talented individuals but with half the team's there's a lot of disconnect between what they are trying to achieve. The Force for instance have no defensive structure whatsoever, rest of their game looks ok. Rebels today all very off the cuff in attack, no obvious structure to build from. That's going to make it difficult come international time.

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Post by RDW Sat 03 Apr 2021, 12:43 pm

The Tahs in the last 3 out of 4 games had gone down to record defeats against their opposition. They've lost their coach in the last week. Going into this game they were absolute lambs to the slaughter against the reigning champions and favourites for this year. It should have been another massacre.

You really are a tough one to please if you're criticising them for how the last minute played out given the significant leap forward in performance that they put in last night. Especially given how young and inexperienced the team is, completely void of confidence after a run of humiliating defeats.

I'm actually excited by Australia at international level over the next few years. It's not going to be the Force and Waratahs forming the core of the team. The Reds backline is absolutely sensational right now and their pack is coming on too. The Brumbies pack will provide the core of the test pack.

They're not going to be winning the WC in 2 years, but of Rennie gets it right they've got the players to cause teams real difficulties.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 09 Apr 2021, 5:48 pm

Last week, the Super Rugby Aotearoa and AU were broadcast on Twitter. Anyone know if that's the case this weekend?

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