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Post by Hazel Sapling Mon 01 Feb 2021, 12:12 pm

First topic message reminder :

A continuation on previous threads discussing the past, the present and the future of Scottish rugby. A dose a day, keeps optimism away

Halfway through a Covid season and not far from the Rainbow cups, both teams are on the precipice of missing out on the top tier in Europe next year. The Rainbow Cup is a well thought out idea of including sides from South Africa, the home to a new Covid variant that vaccines may not work on, with international travel involving several regions of Europe.

Glasgow are trying to adjust its squad by removing the deadwood of the Rennie era and slowly promoting its youth (if the fans were in charge). Back row has been a source of ire for a while
Glasgow Squad

LH: Kebble, Seiuli, Allan, Thornton, Lambert
Hooker: Brown, Turner, Stewart, Matthews, Dolokoto
TH: Z Fagerson, Pieretto, Rae, Nicol, McQuillan
Locks: Cummings, R Gray, Harley, McDonald, Bain
Back Row: Wilson, Gordon, M Fagerson, Nakarawa, Ioane, Fusaro, Lokotui

SH: Price, G Horne, Dobie, Kennedy, Korteweg
FH: Hastings, Keatley, P Horne, Thompson, Thomson
Centres: S Johnson, Steyn, McDowall, Grigg, Fergusson, Kelly, Smith
Back Three: H Jones, L Jones, Tagive, Seymour, Matawalu, Nairn, McLean, Forbes

Edinburgh are in desperate need of a new backs coach who can use its back three weapons to unlock opposing defences rather than using forwards to run against a brick wall ad nauseum. Otherwise, one of the strongest packs in Europe with depth and talent across the board.
Edinburgh Squad

LH: Schoeman, Sutherland, Venter, Grahamslaw
Hooker: McInally, Willemse, Cherry, Kitchen
TH: Nel, Berghan, McCallum, Atalifo
Locks: Gilchrist, Toolis, Carmichael, Davidson, Hodgson, Ferreira, Sykes
Back Row: Mata, Ritchie, Watson, Bradbury, Crosbie, Haining, Miller, Darge, Boyle, Kunavula

SH: Groom, Pyrgos, Shiel, Nutton
FH: VDW, Chamberlain, Savala
Centres: Taylor, Bennett, Dean, Johnstone, Venter, Gordon
Back Three: DVDM, Graham, Kinghorn, Sau, Hoyland, Blain, Coombes, Farndale, Winters


Previous Thread
https://www.606v2.com/t69760-the-glasgow-and-edinburgh-general-chat-discussions-are-limited-to-6-people-before-10pm-to-prevent-the-spread-of-jimboish
https://www.606v2.com/t69555-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-24-covid-funtimes?highlight=banter
https://www.606v2.com/t69038-glasgow-and-edinburgh-banter-thread-no-23-new-season-new-thread?highlight=banter


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Post by EST Wed 10 Feb 2021, 10:51 am

Thanks folks - looks like Edinburgh are recruiting to cover Schoeman leaving maybe.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 10 Feb 2021, 2:31 pm

Schoeman looks to be contracted until 2023. May have had a couple of clubs look to pay a transfer fee but in the current market it is unlikely.

Sutherland looks similarly sewn up to 2022 or 2023.

Would probably think it is the expectation of losing Schoeman, Sutherland and Nel for 12 weeks of the season and any injury to De Bruin, McCallum or Grahamslaw would have seen Edinburgh have two academy props on the bench. With Venter, barring injuries, Edinburgh don't need to dip into the academy as an immediate measure though they would only be an injury away.

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Post by EST Wed 10 Feb 2021, 3:08 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:Schoeman looks to be contracted until 2023. May have had a couple of clubs look to pay a transfer fee but in the current market it is unlikely.

Sutherland looks similarly sewn up to 2022 or 2023.

Would probably think it is the expectation of losing Schoeman, Sutherland and Nel for 12 weeks of the season and any injury to De Bruin, McCallum or Grahamslaw would have seen Edinburgh have two academy props on the bench. With Venter, barring injuries, Edinburgh don't need to dip into the academy as an immediate measure though they would only be an injury away.

Blimey, didn't realise Schoeman was signed up for so long.

Perhaps Venter isn't on as much as I am imagining, but it does seem like a lot of resource to be spending on one position, especially when there is no guarantee of Schoeman getting and holding down a Scotland squad place.

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Post by BigGee Wed 10 Feb 2021, 6:10 pm

Glasgow sign up Lewis Bean for next season.

He impressed on his appearences earlier this season while on loan and looks like he will be a good squad filler who won't break the bank either. At 130 kg, he certainly puts a bit of ballast into our pack!

From what we saw of him, i am very happy for him to be coming back.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 10 Feb 2021, 6:54 pm

Bean is fine as fifth choice. Not really moving the needle outside of the international period though if R Gray and Cummings are going to be gone for 12 weeks, he will get playing time with Bain, Harley and McDonald.

Announced Bhatti, Berghan and Bean in the pack. Guessing we are signing someone beginning with B in the back row. Bradbury? Boyle?

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Post by jimbopip Wed 10 Feb 2021, 7:36 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:

Announced Bhatti, Berghan and Bean in the pack. Guessing we are signing someone beginning with B in the back row. Bradbury? Boyle?

Betsen? I do like a bit of Serge.

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Post by RDW Thu 11 Feb 2021, 12:27 am

That's the young Saffer centre Venter now in training with Edinbrugh. Will be interesting to see if he gets gametime this season.

Shame there's no Super 6 to give him a runabout before being dumped straight into Pro 14 level.

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Post by EST Thu 11 Feb 2021, 9:13 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:Bean is fine as fifth choice. Not really moving the needle outside of the international period though if R Gray and Cummings are going to be gone for 12 weeks, he will get playing time with Bain, Harley and McDonald.

Announced Bhatti, Berghan and Bean in the pack. Guessing we are signing someone beginning with B in the back row. Bradbury? Boyle?

I thought Bean acquitted himself well during his loan period, like you say he will be a good squad player.  I've not been particularly impressed by Bain this season, although he needs more time to be judged.

From what I can see from the academy, there are a couple of well regarded young second rows there just now - Samuel and Williamson.

Bold has more than a passing resemblance to some irate farmers in a famous children's book!

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Post by demosthenes Thu 11 Feb 2021, 3:33 pm

Glasgow v. Benetton called off.   "Persisting severe weather conditions" apparently.  

http://www.glasgowwarriors.com/articles/news/010951.php

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Post by BigGee Thu 11 Feb 2021, 3:48 pm

Edinburgh game in Newport also cancelled

Makes sense i guess with a lot of travelling involved and no let up in weather for a few days yet

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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 8:48 am

demosthenes wrote:Glasgow v. Benetton called off.   "Persisting severe weather conditions" apparently.  

http://www.glasgowwarriors.com/articles/news/010951.php

They really need to heat that turf...
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Post by BigGee Sun 14 Feb 2021, 6:08 pm

Glasgow finally land a decent signing for next season.

Jack Dempsey, 14 capped Australian from the Waratahs. At 26 years old., not necessarily someone looking for a pension plan either.

Sounds like a decent bit of business.


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Post by Hazel Sapling Sun 14 Feb 2021, 6:44 pm

Dempsey looks a strong signing. Big, athletic BS to pair with M Fagerson for the big games and cover no. 8 during internationals. Have to wait and see whether he will deliver on his promise as he does not seem to be in Australia's thinking.

Glasgow BS/8's: Dempsey, M Fagerson, Wilson, Harley and maybe Lokotui or TJ Ioane.....

We could do with signing one of Boyle, Wynne, Hamilton Burr or maybe someone who showed some potential in the Super Six last season to provide some depth. M Fagerson is likely away with Scotland for 12 weeks and Harley is more of a lock. The cupboard is bare.

On that note, Exeter will need to cut wages to meet the cap and likely will lose a couple of good players. Could Skinner be available?

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Post by RDW Sun 14 Feb 2021, 8:19 pm

Woah that's a really good signing! I watched him last season with the Waratahs as he was a really good athletic 8. Was there or there abouts for the Wallabies too.

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Post by EST Mon 15 Feb 2021, 8:54 am

That's exactly the type of signing Glasgow need, an athletic ball carrier who is going to be available all season - delighted with that one.

Having read a number of comments, he seems to have struggled with injuries over the last few years - hopefully they are behind him, and maybe explains how we can afford him!

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Post by RDW Tue 16 Feb 2021, 1:51 am

Duncan Taylor has signed on at Sarries. That's the best place for him to be really, and would have been too much of a punt on hit fitness for Edinburgh or Glasgow to take him. Sounds like he wasn't interested in anything else anyway.

Hopefully he can stay injury free over this period to end his career on a high. He's incredibly well regarded at Sarries, which is shown by the faith they've kept in him by keeping him in contract.

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Post by bsando Tue 16 Feb 2021, 11:17 am

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-clubhouse/home-at-last-new-edinburgh-rugby-stadium-completed

Edinburgh have a new stadium! I know some fans have criticised the posts blocking the view but I think it looks quite impressive for a small stadium.

I'm moving to Inverness at the start of April after 7 years in London so getting to Edinburgh and Scotland games will soon be much, much easier.

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Post by jimbopip Tue 16 Feb 2021, 11:25 am

bsando, selling in London and buying in Inverness Very Happy

It is beautiful up there. MrsPip and I were due to go to Belladrum this summer (brother and sister in law live just outside Inverness) if we get up we'll maybe see you there.
p.s. train to Edinburgh...the A9 is not like the A roads dahn saarf.

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Post by RDW Tue 16 Feb 2021, 11:27 am

I'd say it's easier getting to Edinburgh from London than it is from Inverness!

Agreed on the stadium - huge boost for Edinburgh and the columns won't make much difference. It would have cost a lot, lot more to design a structure that didn't have them.

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Post by EST Tue 16 Feb 2021, 11:30 am

The pillars are not ideal, but there must be big difference in cost to have a cantilevered roof. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Given it's a semi-permanent structure, I think it looks really good - it's going to make a massive difference to the match day experience.

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Post by bsando Tue 16 Feb 2021, 12:10 pm

jimbopip wrote:bsando, selling in London and buying in Inverness Very Happy

It is beautiful up there. MrsPip and I were due to go to Belladrum this summer (brother and sister in law live just outside Inverness) if we get up we'll maybe see you there.
p.s. train to Edinburgh...the A9 is not like the A roads dahn saarf.

Haha yep I've done that road a few times and it's a slog! Great to know Jimbo, always happy to grab a pint! Belladrum is a brilliant little festival, glad it's managed to keep going. My family live in Sutherland and Caithness so Inverness feels like south for me Very Happy

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Post by EST Tue 16 Feb 2021, 12:16 pm

bsando wrote:
jimbopip wrote:bsando, selling in London and buying in Inverness Very Happy

It is beautiful up there. MrsPip and I were due to go to Belladrum this summer (brother and sister in law live just outside Inverness) if we get up we'll maybe see you there.
p.s. train to Edinburgh...the A9 is not like the A roads dahn saarf.

Haha yep I've done that road a few times and it's a slog! Great to know Jimbo, always happy to grab a pint! Belladrum is a brilliant little festival, glad it's managed to keep going. My family live in Sutherland and Caithness so Inverness feels like south for me Very Happy

It's a great part of the world Bsando, my family are from Ross-Shire. Now that Covid has changed the nature of work, i've been thinking more realistically about moving back up....just need to persuade the Mrs.

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Post by RiscaGame Tue 16 Feb 2021, 12:30 pm

bsando wrote:https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-clubhouse/home-at-last-new-edinburgh-rugby-stadium-completed

Edinburgh have a new stadium! I know some fans have criticised the posts blocking the view but I think it looks quite impressive for a small stadium.

I'm moving to Inverness at the start of April after 7 years in London so getting to Edinburgh and Scotland games will soon be much, much easier.

Ah, so that's what the stadium was, that I noticed on the tv before S v W. It looks a little lacking in character I guess, but will obviously be more atmospheric than Murrayfield.

Inverness is still my favourite place where I have lived. Am desperate to get back up there, for a visit.

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Post by bsando Tue 16 Feb 2021, 12:43 pm

RDW wrote:I'd say it's easier getting to Edinburgh from London than it is from Inverness!

Agreed on the stadium - huge boost for Edinburgh and the columns won't make much difference. It would have cost a lot, lot more to design a structure that didn't have them.

Edinburgh was always a frustrating one for me. Inverness from London is great! Finish work, head to Euston, Sleeper train, wake up in Inverness station the next day a little sleepy but no day wasted travelling. I tried train, plane and even the mega gold bus once to Edinburgh (not recommended). Early train was my favourite way but it's so damn expensive! So flying was usually my go to for visiting.

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Post by RDW Tue 16 Feb 2021, 8:27 pm

I did lots of trips in my time and found that door to door flying was around 30 minutes quicker than the train. Was a lot more hassle though (getting to airports, departure lounges etc) but was often always a lot cheaper too.

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Post by NeilyBroon Wed 17 Feb 2021, 6:29 am

Yeah the trains are extortionate! Flying always makes more sense for me. Plus Southampton you take one step through security and you're at your gate. Its like how it used to be flying from Prestwick!
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 17 Feb 2021, 9:59 am

Finally 606v2 addresses the key issues of Inverness-Edinburgh-London travelling!!

I grew up in Inverness but went to schools in London and Edinburgh. When I close my eyes I can visualise the entire A9....

Problem with the sleeper is the other random bloke you sometimes have to share a cabin with. Flying for me is the best way for London - Inverness, but otherwise I'm a big fan of the train (now, living in Edinburgh, I always take the train when going to London). As for heading north, I quite like driving, but mainly because of the House of Bruar's carvery, where you can eat your body weight in roast potatoes. The downside is the silly introduction of average speed cameras. Some nonsense about saving lives, but it's ruined what used to be a perfectly good race track....

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Post by RiscaGame Wed 17 Feb 2021, 11:11 am

funnyExiledScot wrote: but mainly because of the House of Bruar's carvery, where you can eat your body weight in roast potatoes. The downside is the silly introduction of average speed cameras. Some nonsense about saving lives, but it's ruined what used to be a perfectly good race track....

I wish I had known about this sooner. I obviously used to drive past HoB a lot, but was never recommended that. I did used to use Ballinluig Services Grill a lot, for a decent breakfast though heart

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Post by tigertattie Wed 17 Feb 2021, 1:17 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Finally 606v2 addresses the key issues of Inverness-Edinburgh-London travelling!!

I grew up in Inverness but went to schools in London and Edinburgh. When I close my eyes I can visualise the entire A9....

Problem with the sleeper is the other random bloke you sometimes have to share a cabin with. Flying for me is the best way for London - Inverness, but otherwise I'm a big fan of the train (now, living in Edinburgh, I always take the train when going to London). As for heading north, I quite like driving, but mainly because of the House of Bruar's carvery, where you can eat your body weight in roast potatoes. The downside is the silly introduction of average speed cameras. Some nonsense about saving lives, but it's ruined what used to be a perfectly good race track....

Thats the most stereotypical FES post you've ever posted FES. Jimbo will be along shortly to ask how many barbour jackets you had the staff buy you while you were feasting!
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Post by tigertattie Wed 17 Feb 2021, 1:20 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote: but mainly because of the House of Bruar's carvery, where you can eat your body weight in roast potatoes. The downside is the silly introduction of average speed cameras. Some nonsense about saving lives, but it's ruined what used to be a perfectly good race track....

I wish I had known about this sooner. I obviously used to drive past HoB a lot, but was never recommended that. I did used to use Ballinluig Services Grill a lot, for a decent breakfast though heart

You should take the Ballahuish ferry next time you are heading to or from inverness! I now it's out of the way but hey, it goes over Loch Leven (not that one, the other one)
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 17 Feb 2021, 2:21 pm

tigertattie wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Finally 606v2 addresses the key issues of Inverness-Edinburgh-London travelling!!

I grew up in Inverness but went to schools in London and Edinburgh. When I close my eyes I can visualise the entire A9....

Problem with the sleeper is the other random bloke you sometimes have to share a cabin with. Flying for me is the best way for London - Inverness, but otherwise I'm a big fan of the train (now, living in Edinburgh, I always take the train when going to London). As for heading north, I quite like driving, but mainly because of the House of Bruar's carvery, where you can eat your body weight in roast potatoes. The downside is the silly introduction of average speed cameras. Some nonsense about saving lives, but it's ruined what used to be a perfectly good race track....

Thats the most stereotypical FES post you've ever posted FES. Jimbo will be along shortly to ask how many barbour jackets you had the staff buy you while you were feasting!

It's the wall mounted taxidermy that's so hard to resist buying in that place.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 17 Feb 2021, 2:45 pm

Tigers have picked up Will Hurd from Glasgow. Former Scotland under 20s tighthead was bought up in Ashby in Leicestershire. Anyone seen him play, is he any good?

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Post by BigGee Wed 17 Feb 2021, 3:25 pm

Glasgow looking at an ex NZ U20s FB, Cole Forbes, from Bay of Plenty. Seems to fit the need and the age profile we require, so should not be to expensive. Apparently SQ as well.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 17 Feb 2021, 4:03 pm

BigGee wrote:Glasgow looking at an ex NZ U20s FB, Cole Forbes, from Bay of Plenty. Seems to fit the need and the age profile we require, so should not be to expensive. Apparently SQ as well.

That sounds very promising, and exactly what Glasgow need.

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Post by EST Wed 17 Feb 2021, 4:54 pm

Sounds like a decent bit of business and comes with some pedigree if he played for the junior AB's.

I'm somewhat re-assured by the quality of signings Glasgow have been making recently - there are still massive holes in the squad that need to be filled, but at least we look to be going about it sensibly.

Bradbury, Darge and a couple more back three players and we will really be getting somewhere.


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Post by jimbopip Wed 17 Feb 2021, 5:17 pm

The boxer has missed an awful lot of rugby over the last three years.
It's almost as if Cowboy Dave has sent him off to resurrect his career before returning next year.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 17 Feb 2021, 5:59 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Tigers have picked up Will Hurd from Glasgow. Former Scotland under 20s tighthead was bought up in Ashby in Leicestershire. Anyone seen him play, is he any good?

Never heard of him and he is not in the academy from what I can see.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 17 Feb 2021, 6:11 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Tigers have picked up Will Hurd from Glasgow. Former Scotland under 20s tighthead was bought up in Ashby in Leicestershire. Anyone seen him play, is he any good?

Never heard of him and he is not in the academy from what I can see.

From the wider training squad played in development squad apparently, whatever that means. He played at Cardiff Met Uni and is only 21 so not sure how long he's been at Glasgow.

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Post by BigGee Wed 17 Feb 2021, 6:25 pm

Glasgow just dropped an enormous hint on social media that they are going to sign a FB

Looks like this kiwi is a go then!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 17 Feb 2021, 7:39 pm

EST wrote:Sounds like a decent bit of business and comes with some pedigree if he played for the junior AB's.

Two words of caution: Ben Atiga

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Post by jimbopip Wed 17 Feb 2021, 7:43 pm

I'm fairly certain the last wing/full back ex junior All Black Glasgow signed was ....No Maits.
Didn't turn out too shabby.

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Post by BigGee Wed 17 Feb 2021, 9:13 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/glasgow-warriors-sign-josh-mckay-new-zealand-u20-world-cup-winner/ar-BB1dLTMl

May not be Forbes (at least not yet), Scotsman look to have jumped the gun and reporting the signing of Josh McKay.

Again, nothing at all wrong with this calibre of player coming on board. Not SQ so will be available all year round as well.

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Post by jimbopip Wed 17 Feb 2021, 9:20 pm

Josh McKay a 10/15/ wing from the Highlanders.
The last winger we signed from Highlanders: No Maits.
I see a theme here.

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Post by jimbopip Wed 17 Feb 2021, 9:28 pm

P.s. two new full backs plus Rufus McLean and Ollie Smith...goodbye Shug?

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Post by BigGee Wed 17 Feb 2021, 9:36 pm

jimbopip wrote:P.s. two new full backs plus Rufus McLean and Ollie Smith...goodbye Shug?

Well that may well have been inevitable, though he seems a lot more settled at Glasgow now and could always be back playing in the centre.

McKay seems to be more of a winger than a FB, so it may be one or more of our aging wingers that move on. Tommy S seems likely to hang up the boots and Nico and Lee Jones likely competing for the one spot, if that.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 17 Feb 2021, 10:53 pm

Huw Jones should stay at Glasgow but insist on returning to 13, that's where his international future rests.

If Nico doesn't have a role at 9 (and I dont think he does), he should go. Lee Jones probably justifies his place in the squad. When he's been fit and played for Glasgow he's been OK.

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Post by Highland Shaun Thu 18 Feb 2021, 2:00 am

BigGee wrote:Glasgow looking at an ex NZ U20s FB, Cole Forbes, from Bay of Plenty. Seems to fit the need and the age profile we require, so should not be to expensive. Apparently SQ as well.


Is this signing still on Very Happy, not a Glasgow fan but I like to see SQ players playing in Scotland as its a) a better chance of being noticed by the Scottish coaching team and b) it's likely they will declare for Scotland :P.

That was the feeling I was getting when Velacott was first rumoured, however, it's gone quiet regarding him signing for Edinburgh.

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Post by BigGee Thu 18 Feb 2021, 8:11 am

Josh McKay signing confirmed this morning.

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Post by RDW Thu 18 Feb 2021, 8:25 am

Excellent signing again.

Not looking so bleak eh Weegies?

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Post by BigGee Thu 18 Feb 2021, 8:54 am

It is good, DW looking like he is really getting the chance to rebuild the squad which is whst he was brought in to do.

He even sounded hopeful thst Shuggy might be staying on as well, so wstch this space.

It does mean however, that we can expect a bit of a clear out at the end of the season.

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