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Post by bsando Wed 05 May 2021, 8:49 am

On the eve of the Lions announcement there is always a scramble from various pundits, ex players and rugby media types to list their final Lions squads. Along with this mad rush comes some pretty outlandish and left-field selection choices.

Have you come across any amusing or excitable posts, articles or off the cuff remarks on your twitter or facebook feed? If so, post below and we can all have a laugh.

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Post by BamBam Wed 05 May 2021, 8:57 am

I read a ridiculous and hilarious article stating that Alun Wyn Jones was “the outstanding candidate for Lions captain” Laugh Laugh

Honestly, where do they get these ideas from, brilliant comedy

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 05 May 2021, 9:00 am

The Quins combo of Danny Care and Marcus Smith have been mentioned. I presume this is because newspapers like to think of London as representing the UK and they are from the form London team. An old scrum half who's game management is suspect and a young flyhalf known for his running rugby as opposed to his tactical skillset don't really make me think of Gatland selections.

If anything I've felt a little let down by the selection of potential bolters for this tour, there's something a bit unoriginal about the talking up of Marler, Simmonds and Zebo. Where's the uncapped coming from nowhere selection, I suppose that could be Marcus Smith.

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Post by BigGee Wed 05 May 2021, 9:05 am

Not quite uncapped, but Cameron Redpath might be the best bet on a bolter for me

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Post by MichaelT Wed 05 May 2021, 9:10 am

I think the bolters are the Scottish players who are rightly up there now.

You look back at the last few tours - 2009 Ireland had won a grand slam and an all-Ireland european semi-final, 2013 Wales had just hammered England and 2017 England had only lost 1 game in over a year with 2 six nations titles.

This time round its not that clear and obvious who the best team/ players are. The squad announcement could be full of surprises or could be very similar to 2013/ 2017.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 05 May 2021, 9:14 am

i genuinely thought Ted Hill might have been a bolter, but his form this season doesnt warrant it...though he should be in the England summer squad.

I have a suspicion Sam Simmonds might be on that plane. His gamestyle could be a serious weapon...if you can balance the lack of size...maybe a last 20 minute player to come on and cause havoc.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 05 May 2021, 9:14 am

BigGee wrote:Not quite uncapped, but Cameron Redpath might be the best bet on a bolter for me

Good call. I hope he goes as he's got a nicely rounded skill set, offers a bit of everything. The Lions are also a little short on inside centre options and I don't want either of Manu or JD2 shoehorned into that position. Henshaw is the current standout option though the slightly dim glare of Owen Farrell is worryingly never far away.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 05 May 2021, 9:18 am

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BigGee wrote:Not quite uncapped, but Cameron Redpath might be the best bet on a bolter for me

Good call. I hope he goes as he's got a nicely rounded skill set, offers a bit of everything. The Lions are also a little short on inside centre options and I don't want either of Manu or JD2 shoehorned into that position. Henshaw is the current standout option though the slightly dim glare of Owen Farrell is worryingly never far away.

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 05 May 2021, 9:19 am

BamBam wrote:I read a ridiculous and hilarious article stating that Alun Wyn Jones was  “the outstanding candidate for Lions captain”  Laugh  Laugh

Honestly, where do they get these ideas from, brilliant comedy

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I read another one saying the same about Itoje, seriously you couldn't make it up, oh wait a minute.......... Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

OK, lets take a breather.....

Nope... Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh


I mean come on, Itoje for captain, now that's comedy gold.


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Post by BamBam Wed 05 May 2021, 9:40 am

It must be great to get the blood pressure rising so early in the morning tomato

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Post by LordDowlais Wed 05 May 2021, 9:45 am

My blood pressure is fine thanks. OK

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Post by bsando Wed 05 May 2021, 9:53 am

Ugo Monye was obviously backing his mate on his BBC Rugby podcast but it all felt a bit cringe worthy from himself and Chris Jones. "we're keeping Care out of the podcast this week because he's in the running for selection.." I mean, come on, he's basically a pundit now and I doubt anyone who is selecting would pay any attention to their podcast regardless of what Danny Care were to say.

I've also noticed Rugbypass are putting up some outlandish theories and "click bait" articles but that's just Rugbypass most weeks.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 05 May 2021, 10:05 am

I'm not sure Care or Smith are left field in terms of punditry and Smith at least has been supposedly sent the email for availability. Care is, just playing excellently at the moment, similarly Spencer is the best SH who is English.

For true left field you have to go to Stephen Jones: Carl Fearns.

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Post by Cumbrian Wed 05 May 2021, 10:09 am

I wonder if no.8 might be ripe for a bolter prediction. The front runners seem to be Faletau and Billy Vunipola, but Billy's form is erratic (and his arms appear to be made of chocolate).

Might be tempted to take a flutter on some one like Caelan Dorris, Matt Fagerson, Alex Dombrandt or that lad from Exeter.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 05 May 2021, 11:15 am

Cumbrian wrote:I wonder if no.8 might be ripe for a bolter prediction.  The front runners seem to be Faletau and Billy Vunipola, but Billy's form is erratic (and his arms appear to be made of chocolate).

Might be tempted to take a flutter on some one like Caelan Dorris, Matt Fagerson, Alex Dombrandt or that lad from Exeter.

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Post by BigGee Wed 05 May 2021, 11:35 am

The media are reporting that both Cam Redpath and Will Stuart have received the infamous long list letters.

Stuart would indeed be a surprise, I don't recall anyone mentioning him ands hard to beleive he would be picked over Fagerson or Porter for the third TH spot, assuming that Sinkler and Furlough are shoe ins.

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Post by lostinwales Wed 05 May 2021, 11:41 am

BigGee wrote:The media are reporting that both Cam Redpath and Will Stuart have received the infamous long list letters.

Stuart would indeed be a surprise, I don't recall anyone mentioning him ands hard to beleive he would be picked over Fagerson or Porter for the third TH spot, assuming that Sinkler and Furlough are shoe ins.

He's a very big lump who's not looked out of place. He doesn't have the flash handling of Sinckler or Furlong (or the footwork for that matter) but he's earned his spot with England.

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Post by The Oracle Wed 05 May 2021, 11:43 am

Bryn Gatland is my shout as a bolter. Plays 10. Got experience playing against the Lions and against the Bok teams in Super Rugby. Not capped. Gatland knows him well. Get him on the plane! Very Happy
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Post by Fluxy Wed 05 May 2021, 11:45 am

I stand by my claim back in December and before then. Ryan Baird is my shout on a bolter for this Lions squad.

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Post by Cumbrian Wed 05 May 2021, 12:22 pm

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Cumbrian wrote:I wonder if no.8 might be ripe for a bolter prediction.  The front runners seem to be Faletau and Billy Vunipola, but Billy's form is erratic (and his arms appear to be made of chocolate).

Might be tempted to take a flutter on some one like Caelan Dorris, Matt Fagerson, Alex Dombrandt or that lad from Exeter.

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I've mentally blocked out pretty much every game of that tournament. Very Happy
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Post by chris_501 Wed 05 May 2021, 1:58 pm

If we hadn't see the success of Beirne in the 6N, my bolter has always been Cory Hill, but with Henderson also a 2nd row that can play 6, I can't see it now.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 05 May 2021, 2:20 pm

Ugo Monye managed to pick M Smith over Russell. He also included Wainwright over Henderson, CJ Stander, Navidi, Underhill and B Vunipola.

I can understand the call for Care and SH is where any number of different permutations could happen after Murray. I am expecting at least one surprise such as Care, Price, Cooney or Hardy.

There has been mention that McInally may have had a strong chance if he had been fit during the Six Nations but there are still questions at the hooker spot.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 05 May 2021, 2:37 pm

lostinwales wrote:
BigGee wrote:The media are reporting that both Cam Redpath and Will Stuart have received the infamous long list letters.

Stuart would indeed be a surprise, I don't recall anyone mentioning him ands hard to beleive he would be picked over Fagerson or Porter for the third TH spot, assuming that Sinkler and Furlough are shoe ins.

He's a very big lump who's not looked out of place. He doesn't have the flash handling of Sinckler or Furlong (or the footwork for that matter) but he's earned his spot with England.

Bath's scrum hasn't looked good in recent weeks though. Stuart had a miserable game up again Genge and has perhaps lucky not to get binned after conceding three or four penalties and two freekicks. He'll do well to go ahead of Sinckler, Furlong, Porter and Fargerson.

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Post by king_carlos Wed 05 May 2021, 3:28 pm

I'd certainly be surprised to see Stuart go. Sometimes all it takes with props is for the forwards coach to see something he really likes about their scrummaging though. In 2013 on form Ryan Grant should have been well ahead of Corbisiero but Wig had seen enough of his scrummaging to think Corbisiero was a weapon worth taking a punt on. It was very unpopular with fans at the time but paid off big time in fairness to Wig and Gats.

Personally I really like Porter for the third tighthead spot on this tour. He's had a really good season and has quietly become an experienced international with nearly 40 caps. Playing behind Furlong (for my money the best TH in the world at his best) it's easy to be missed but Porter has been very good for a while now.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 05 May 2021, 6:22 pm

I like Porter as well and what makes him a really good option is that he can play both sides. I presume the Lions will take 7 props due to bubble restrictions so having someone that can play both sides becomes very useful. Doubly so when he's played as well as Porter. He's a bit unlucky to be behind Furlong at Leinster and Ireland, I agree with Carlos he's the best tighthead in the world at present.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 05 May 2021, 7:07 pm

As we get closer to the announcement, I feel like all Scottish players other than Hogg should be considered "bolters"!!

Agree on Porter by the way. I'd actually have him second choice ahead of Sinckler if I'm being honest.

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Post by king_carlos Wed 05 May 2021, 8:57 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:As we get closer to the announcement, I feel like all Scottish players other than Hogg should be considered "bolters"!!

Agree on Porter by the way. I'd actually have him second choice ahead of Sinckler if I'm being honest.
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Post by Collapse2005 Wed 05 May 2021, 9:17 pm

Fluxy wrote:I stand by my claim back in December and before then. Ryan Baird is my shout on a bolter for this Lions squad.

He is some talent and covers backrow and second row so you never know.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 06 May 2021, 1:04 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:As we get closer to the announcement, I feel like all Scottish players other than Hogg should be considered "bolters"!!

Agree on Porter by the way. I'd actually have him second choice ahead of Sinckler if I'm being honest.

Sinckler - depends. He didn't have a great 6N (for a change) but has been very good previously and has Lions history too.

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Post by Poorfour Thu 06 May 2021, 9:33 am

lostinwales wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:As we get closer to the announcement, I feel like all Scottish players other than Hogg should be considered "bolters"!!

Agree on Porter by the way. I'd actually have him second choice ahead of Sinckler if I'm being honest.

Sinckler - depends. He didn't have a great 6N (for a change) but has been very good previously and has Lions history too.

Sinckler, along with Curry, was one of the better performers in a rubbish overall England effort. But he made some very good contributions in NZ, and has also matured a lot since then. He also has huge motivation: he only had 3 minutes in the RWC Final and has spoken about wanting to "shoot his shot" against SA. The key thing for me is that he's a very competent international scrummager but a real problem for defences because he really needs to be double-teamed as a carrier but he also has a very long and accurate pass so can make holes in defences. It's a similar skill set to Furlong, but I don't think any of the other contenders on either side come close (Mako has the carrying and passing but is much more vulnerable against the Bok pack in the scrum).
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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 06 May 2021, 9:43 am

I'd have thought that the first three tightheads were an easy selection. Furlong, Porter and Sinckler there could be a fourth if they are going for seven props and will use Porter to cover both sides. I think those three are just a little ahead of the chasing pack of Fargerson, Francis and Stuart.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 06 May 2021, 9:58 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:I'd have thought that the first three tightheads were an easy selection. Furlong, Porter and Sinckler there could be a fourth if they are going for seven props and will use Porter to cover both sides. I think those three are just a little ahead of the chasing pack of Fargerson, Francis and Stuart.

I'd agree with those, bit of a drop after them tbh.

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