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Post by neilthom7 Wed 01 Jun 2022, 7:37 pm

First topic message reminder :

It's play off time, quarter finals up first this weekend.  Thread will be updated as we progress into the Semi's and final.

All games on Premier Sports, URC TV and SuperSport.

Quarter Finals
Ulster v Munster- 36-17
Vodacom Bulls v Cell C Sharks- 30-27
Leinster v Glasgow Warriors- 76-14
DHL Stormers v Edinburgh Rugby- 28-17

Semi Finals

Leinster v Vodacom Bulls- 26-27
DHL Stormers v Ulster- 17-15

FINAL

DHL Stormers v Vodacom Bulls
Result- 18-13

Champions- DHL Stormers


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Post by clivemcl Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:10 pm

As I say, plenty of calls went against Stormers.

But one that sticks in my mind is Warwick getting penalised when the ball was called to be 'out' of the ruck (or scrum?).
Penalised for tackling the player rather than going for the ball. But Jantjes had his hands on the ball. Not yet lifted from the ground, but still, is he not 'in possession'?

Ah well, theres probably more calls in that game we could debate that I could count on my fingers. At least the calls seemed equally strange at times against both sides.

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:17 pm

Adamson is a terrible ref, always has been but URC didnt have any better options. Upgrading the quality of referees definitely needs to be a priority.

The good thing is he was equally rubbish all round

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:36 pm

The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

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Post by Old Man Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:38 pm

The Superport panel was just saying the same thing, begging the president to remove the limitations for the final

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Post by Old Man Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:41 pm

You also need to remember that we haven't been able to go to sport stadiums for about two years, everyone is hungry for live sport.

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Post by Old Man Sat 11 Jun 2022, 4:51 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

cheetahs and Kings had one sixth the budget of the big four teams in SA, they are merely a breeding ground for the big four.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 11 Jun 2022, 6:18 pm

Old Man wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

cheetahs and Kings had one sixth the budget of the big four teams in SA, they are merely a breeding ground for the big four.

Well the new SA sides also started this league a bit slow but are really motoring now. Disapointed for Ulster and Leinster but happy the SA sides are really buying into it.

Hope it will inspire the Welsh sides to be more competitive too.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 11 Jun 2022, 6:24 pm

Old Man wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

cheetahs and Kings had one sixth the budget of the big four teams in SA, they are merely a breeding ground for the big four.

What about Cheetahs being in the second European comp now though, will they get more money? You still see their players spread about everyone’s teams, proof that they were good when they kept their players!

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Post by Old Man Sat 11 Jun 2022, 6:34 pm

SARU promised the Cheetahs a pro comp, and the club has been very patient in that regard. I must be honest I have no idea how it came about that they got a spot in the challenge cup.

Whether they get enough money to retain players is highly unlikely, Bloemfontein has a very small population and that limits their potential for big money or sponsorhips. They are reliant on SARU to improve their budget.

Even during the time they spent in Super Rugby they had to rebuild a squad on a continuous basis. Grey College is probably the best rugby school in SA, so they source their talent from one really good rugby school.

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Post by Guest Sat 11 Jun 2022, 8:41 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

cheetahs and Kings had one sixth the budget of the big four teams in SA, they are merely a breeding ground for the big four.

Well the new SA sides also started this league a bit slow but are really motoring now. Disapointed for Ulster and Leinster but happy the SA sides are really buying into it.

Hope it will inspire the Welsh sides to be more competitive too.

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Ospreys were pretty competitive in fairness. Won the same number of games as Edinburgh and Glasgow (10), and only one less than Munster, Sharks and Bulls. Scarlets at 8 wins yes could have been more competitive and I think they could/should have won a few more than they did. I remember a few games that they threw away in the last quarter. So fairly competitive. I think they’ll be looking for improvements next season for sure.

Blues and Dragons - 100% these two were poor this season and I hope will want to improve for next season. I can only talk about my team (Dragons) but the signings they’ve made and the players they’ve released suggests a genuine attempt at becoming more competitive next season.

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Post by Intotouch Sun 12 Jun 2022, 4:10 am

Well Oracle that’s good to hear.

With the English premiership cutting back on spending I hope that means that all URC sides can hang on to more of their home grown players too. From what I read the budget for players in Wales is equal to or exceeds that of most premiership clubs now.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun 12 Jun 2022, 8:07 am

Old Man wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:The buy in from the SA sides this year has completely shocked me especially after seeing the failure of the Cheetahs and Kings in the competition. I've been surprised by how good the attendances have been, if only they could lift the rediculous 50% capacity rule, they'd be even better.

cheetahs and Kings had one sixth the budget of the big four teams in SA, they are merely a breeding ground for the big four.
They were both capable of pulling 15k+ though when they were in SR. I couldn't understand why the Cheetahs in particular were so poorly attended, if the fans turned out they would have surely been forced to keep them in the URC.

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Post by clivemcl Mon 13 Jun 2022, 2:37 pm

Sour grapes will be the claim, and I'm not even denying it... but I've just rewatched the last 7/8 minutes of the Ulster v Stormers semi.

Just for fun, have a watch and see how many times you think the ref failed to call something questionable.

Perhaps the most blatant must surely be this though. After the hooter too. Blatant clear out coming in at the side and beyond the ball by Stormers 17 where it looked like Ulster players had hands on the ball.

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I know plenty of decisions went in Ulster's favour in that game too... but at that point in the game, when it is so tight, it really is shameful for a ref not to call those kinda of instances when the stakes are so high.

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Post by RugbyFan100 Mon 13 Jun 2022, 2:45 pm

Ulster fans moaning at refereeing decisions. This is absolutely delicious.

Any mention of the 3 metre forward pass for the 1st try?

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Post by clivemcl Mon 13 Jun 2022, 3:02 pm

Haha, in fairness, my gut reaction was that it was forward too. But I always forget that it's the direction of the hands, not the trajectory of the ball. If the passer is stopped as soon as he releases the ball, the ball continues to move forward as he would also have. Forward momentum and all that.

In saying that, it's still a lucky call for Ulster I'll admit it.

Difference being, Ulster didn't intentionally throw a forward pass in order to score.
The number 17 in the above clearly was committing foul play in desperation to not lose possession.

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Post by Old Man Mon 13 Jun 2022, 3:09 pm

I have stopped keeing track of poor refereeing decisions, in the first month I blew my top at every match due to referee interpretations at the breakdown.

Soon gave that up and just accepted that in every match decisions will go for you and against you.

Singling out any specific infringement that wasn't picked up by the referee doesn't really change anything.

The Stormers could have had a penalty try (which was awarded, then retracted) and the Ulster men could have had a man in the bin.

But it didn't work out that way.

In every match there are moments we can recall that could be argued influenced the match. However teams know by now that a matchcan swing on the smallest of margins, only way to negate that is to factor refereeing decisions in the outcome of games.

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Post by clivemcl Mon 13 Jun 2022, 3:13 pm

Very true Old Man.

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Post by neilthom7 Mon 13 Jun 2022, 6:32 pm

Referees are going to miss stuff and some refs are worse than others, it's just a fact of the game. In the end Ulster couldn't hold out against a side that was down to 14 men and that is what lost them the game.

Best we can hope for from refs is to get the really big calls that they get to see again on TMO etc right. Stuff like cleaning out rucks from the side and stuff, that happens about every ruck along with a million other things. Ulster still had chances to stop the try after that, unless that stuff leads direct to the try we can't hope for the ref to see it all.

Sometimes it goes for you, sometimes against.

We can however work to identify poor referees and either make them better or get rid, only however once we have enough good quality referees to do so. Therefore URC needs to make that a priority.

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Post by Unclear Tue 14 Jun 2022, 3:42 pm

I shouldn't be continuing the discussion about refereeing in that Ulster/Stormers but I think I can sum things up with what I thought I heard on the ref mike to Ian Henderson:

"I didn't see what happened but I don't want to see any more of it"

Maybe it is just my sense of humour ...

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Post by Old Man Tue 14 Jun 2022, 3:55 pm

Do you recall at which incident that was?

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Post by Unclear Tue 14 Jun 2022, 6:12 pm

Old Man wrote:Do you recall at which incident that was?

No 'cause I didn't see it and wasn't able to say if there was any more Very Happy

It was during the second half, well after the general pushing and shoving of the first half. It just confirmed my view that Adamson (and the TMO) hadn't a clue what was going on. I agree that they were consistently bad for both sides.

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Post by profitius Fri 17 Jun 2022, 10:57 am

I fancy bulls to win this one but it will be different from last week. And they're not playing Benetton in the final. Smile
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Post by Old Man Fri 17 Jun 2022, 12:24 pm

I think the Bulls will win too, they have better structure and their game plan isbetter suited for finals rugby

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Jun 2022, 6:18 pm

WP @ home. Converted try.

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Post by profitius Sat 18 Jun 2022, 6:46 pm

Good start bulls.
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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:08 pm

Bulls are controlling this match. Stormers are struggling in these conditions, but Bulls backrow is nullifying Evan Roos.

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:18 pm

Bulls leading 7-3 at break, tight physical game. Coetzee is a beast.

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:21 pm

It is a shame it is so slippery, Stormers would have a better chance in drier conditions, Bulls just seem to physical in direct play, not much on wide out

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:35 pm

They definitely manage the conditions better than Stormers in these slippery conditions.

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:39 pm

That's great play by Roos to reach out and get the try there.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:41 pm

This is so cool.

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm

You enjoying it Doc?

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Post by profitius Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm

Stormers storming back into it in the second half. Exciting match.
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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:55 pm

That Stormers maul has been outstanding this year

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:56 pm

Old Man wrote:You enjoying it Doc?
Absolutely. Great way to spend an afternoon. Good on WP, though this ain't over.

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 7:57 pm

Yeah Stormers coming alive

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:04 pm

I just saw a graphic indicating this is the first time in about 10 years that Stormers and Bulls are meeting in a final. Was that final the one in which Bryan Habana scored a try at the death to nick it?

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:11 pm

No that was against the Sharks

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:12 pm

2007

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:14 pm

Thanks.
This is a great end of the game...

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:22 pm

Strong defence by both teams

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:25 pm

Stormers are the first URC champions, congratulations to them, well worth the title.

If some of the games we have had this season are any indication we are going to have a great league going forward.

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:26 pm

Well done Stormers, much better performance in the second half

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Post by profitius Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:27 pm

Well deserved. clap
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:28 pm

Stormers are now one of the best teams in Europe!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:35 pm

Nice to see how much it meant to the Stormers

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:39 pm

Stormers went through hell this past couple of years, SARU took over their management, they were almost bankrupt, no investors, lost many of their Springboks and were under pressure. Very much a deserved trophy

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Post by Old Man Sat 18 Jun 2022, 8:51 pm

Nice touch having local school kidsgive out the medals

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Post by neilthom7 Sat 18 Jun 2022, 9:28 pm

A moment they will never forget I'm sure, little things like that can help build a following for the league in communities.

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Post by Intotouch Sat 18 Jun 2022, 11:42 pm

Ah. I see. I thought for a moment there that the competition was run by 10 year olds.

That was a really exciting ending. I’m delighted for the Stormers. They’ve played with ambition and skill. What a great end to the first URC!



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