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Post by doctor_grey Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:50 am

First topic message reminder :

I really like having games on Friday afternoon (my time). I work most of the day then have a chance to get home, relax, and put on the Rugby with a pint and let the week disappear. Great door-opener for the weekend.

Round 15

Fri 6 Jan Gloucester v Saracens (7.45pm, live on BT Sport)
Sat 7 Jan Newcastle v Leicester (2pm, live on BT Sport)
Sat 7 Jan Exeter v Northampton (4.30pm, live on BT Sport)
Sun 8 Jan Harlequins v Sale (3pm, live on BT Sport)
Sun 8 Jan London Irish v Bristol (3pm)

Big test for Saints going down to Devon. Chiefs are struggling a bit and a great time for Saints to visit.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:37 pm

The bounce on this pitch is wicked

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:37 pm

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Heaf wrote:Tigers talking back too much ... not learning

It's just the one idiot. James Cronin again, having given a completely pointless blocking penalty away. Radwan was never going to trouble the catcher. I don't know why he's still on the pitch.

Nice maul work for Falcons, routine score.

Was he also the one that talked back to get the extra 10?

He was.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:38 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Heaf wrote:
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Heaf wrote:Tigers talking back too much ... not learning

It's just the one idiot. James Cronin again, having given a completely pointless blocking penalty away. Radwan was never going to trouble the catcher. I don't know why he's still on the pitch.

Nice maul work for Falcons, routine score.

Was he also the one that talked back to get the extra 10?

He was.

What a dummy ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:39 pm

Heaf wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Heaf wrote:
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Heaf wrote:Tigers talking back too much ... not learning

It's just the one idiot. James Cronin again, having given a completely pointless blocking penalty away. Radwan was never going to trouble the catcher. I don't know why he's still on the pitch.

Nice maul work for Falcons, routine score.

Was he also the one that talked back to get the extra 10?

He was.

What a dummy ...

Subbed a couple of minutes later. Deservedly so. He should know better.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:44 pm

Bit harsh this, he was passive for my money...
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:46 pm

Red for me....failing to see any mitigation.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:47 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Bit harsh this, he was passive for my money...

I thought he was trying to target the ball but you can't really do that these days. Glad it's not red, that would have been the fly on top of the turd sandwich that is this game for Tigers.

If Gleeson isn't required by England does he fancy a stint at Tigers, we desperately need an edge in attack.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:49 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Bit harsh this, he was passive for my money...

It was always going to be a card - just the colour was debatable ...

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:50 pm

Poor defence from Radwan there.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:50 pm

How's that not a yellow card. Mulipola cynically kills that to stop Tigers playing. Gopperth scores from the tap and go at least. Best we can hope for is a TBP.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:51 pm

Lucky for Tigers....looked like Gopperth dropped that.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:51 pm

Penny looks like he's been in the wars - had a great game though

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:53 pm

Fantastic try....Tigers really are awful.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:54 pm

Very poor defence from Leicester, looks like they've thrown the towel in...
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Post by doctor_grey Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:54 pm

Holy Beat Down, Batman! I just come home, put on the Rugby, and find Falcons are realy out to upset the natural order of things.

What's the world coming to?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:54 pm

Taufete'e is either injured or rubbish. I thought that was a block by Peterson for the first break initially but the fat American just got nowhere near being in position.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:55 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Holy Beat Down, Batman!  I just come home, put on the Rugby, and find Falcons are realy out to upset the natural order of things.  

What's the world coming to?

Walder is doing good things up north, Wigglesworth doesn't look ready for the top job and injuries on top are just making it worse.

I have no idea why Ilione isn't in.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:56 pm

Is Kelly playing 12? If so....he shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad.

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Post by Geordie Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:56 pm

Heaf wrote:Penny looks like he's been in the wars - had a great game though

He's a class act. He was a huge thing coming through but was crippled with injuries...now he's over them and playing week in week out...we're seeing how good he is.

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Post by Geordie Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:58 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Holy Beat Down, Batman!  I just come home, put on the Rugby, and find Falcons are realy out to upset the natural order of things.  

What's the world coming to?

Walder is doing good things up north, Wigglesworth doesn't look ready for the top job and injuries on top are just making it worse.

I have no idea why Ilione isn't in.

Sam one of my biggest gripes appears to be getting addressed by Mark Wilson. Collisions.

For years I've bemoaned how poor we are in the contact..both in attack and defence.

But slowly this season...we are winning more and more Collisions in both those areas. It makes such a massive difference...when you get on the front foot.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:59 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Is Kelly playing 12? If so....he shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad.

He is. Been fine bar his intercepted pass. Not really where the game has been won and lost.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:01 pm

Well Tigers get the TBP as consolation ...

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Post by Geordie Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:02 pm

I'll take that!! Nice

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:03 pm

Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Holy Beat Down, Batman!  I just come home, put on the Rugby, and find Falcons are realy out to upset the natural order of things.  

What's the world coming to?

Walder is doing good things up north, Wigglesworth doesn't look ready for the top job and injuries on top are just making it worse.

I have no idea why Ilione isn't in.

Sam one of my biggest gripes appears to be getting addressed by Mark Wilson. Collisions.  

For years I've bemoaned how poor we are in the contact..both in attack and defence.  

But slowly this season...we are winning more and more Collisions in both those areas. It makes such a massive difference...when you get on the front foot.

I think the tenacity in the Falcons defence has definitely gone up a notch this season. Tigers running into contact with insufficient power runners certainly made it easier for you.

I think the acquisition of the three Pumas has made a real difference. Moroni is probably the best defence 13 in world rugby. Carreras can score from anywhere and Orlando is a quality operator. Has given you a lot of midfield solidarity which always helps build a defence.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:03 pm

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Sgt_Pooly wrote:Is Kelly playing 12? If so....he shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad.

He is. Been fine bar his intercepted pass. Not really where the game has been won and lost.

He's been awful...I didn't realise it was him.

Biggest plus for me is dominating the maul, not often we do that against Tigers.

Walder has really improved us...we look a decent mid table side.

Tigers.....worrying times.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:06 pm

Fair play to Leicester for having the nouse to get a LBP, but it's been a while since I've seen Newcastle play a game like that...
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Post by doctor_grey Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:06 pm

nice polite interview with Matteo Carreras after the match.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:09 pm

Cullen can't start soon enough for Leicester.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Cullen can't start soon enough for Leicester.

Anybody really. Wigglesworth is supposed to have the job until the end of the season but performances like that won't go down well at Welford Road. I'm always uneasy about relying on the ref to intervene on your behalf and when Foley bottled the penalty tries it just further highlighted the limitations to our attack.

Losing Sinfield the defensive guru and the guy who looked after the player motivation on match day has certainly hurt but there's no way a Borthwick led team would have arrived in Newcastle with so little game plan. We played into Falcons hands and they didn't really have to do any real thinking to break us down.

I'd let Cronin walk home frankly. Cost his team at least 14 points by brainless actions followed by not being able to keep his mouth shut.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:57 pm

Crap, crap, crap. Saints are playing like crap. And just got called into work for an emergency. Fix the scrums while I am away, please...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:06 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Crap, crap, crap.  Saints are playing like crap.  And just got called into work for an emergency.  Fix the scrums while I am away, please...

Might be waiting a while Doc....last good saints scrum I recall had Mujati and Tiny as props!

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:13 pm

If Chiefs' line-out was working Saints would be getting even more of a beating ...

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:18 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Crap, crap, crap.  Saints are playing like crap.  And just got called into work for an emergency.  Fix the scrums while I am away, please...

Might be waiting a while Doc....last good saints scrum I recall had Mujati and Tiny as props!

Chiefs' scrum is actually coming off 2nd best so far

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:19 pm

In fact with the state of their line-out and scrum it's odd Chiefs are winning

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:22 pm

When the going gets physical Saints fall apart. Luckily for them they've been able to disrupt the line out.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:38 pm

28 nil now - Saints need the miracle come-back ....

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:40 pm

There's one ...

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:47 pm

Not sure about that scrum pen - looked like the Saints prop hinged

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:50 pm

LCD looking in trouble with his knee but then Saints gift an intercept to Chiefs

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:56 pm

Wow well saved try by Hodge

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:01 pm

Heaf wrote:Wow well saved try by Hodge

Nice to see the hunger. Game is probably won even if Saints score there but he really fights there to deny Mitchell.

Great finish by Proctor.

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Post by Heaf Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:04 pm

Looked like that ball went into touch off a Saints leg/foot - not sure how they were allowed to take the quick throw

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Post by Geordie Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:12 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Is Kelly playing 12? If so....he shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad.

He is. Been fine bar his intercepted pass. Not really where the game has been won and lost.

He's been awful...I didn't realise it was him.

Biggest plus for me is dominating the maul, not often we do that against Tigers.

Walder has really improved us...we look a decent mid table side.

Tigers.....worrying times.

Sgt I rate Kelly very highly. Tigers were struggling with our physicality today...so Kelly didn't get much chance to show how good he is. He must start in the 6n.

I still maintain though...if Penny had not had his injuries at the start of his career he may very well have been an England centre these days. That boys a class act.

I also think Walder is making some nice changes...bit Mark Wilson is making a HUGE difference in the physicality of the side

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:03 pm

OK, back from A&E OR.  Very interesting cases came in.  Two high school boys who were competing against each other at a wresting tournament got tangled applying leverage on their arms.  The first kid had a fracture in the A/C joint and a torn labrum.  When the first kid collapsed or arm gave way, the other tore his UCL (elbow ligament) and had a small fracture by the joint.  I was called in to do the A/C joint and clean up the shoulder which was a real mess.  Decided the soft tissue injuries could be dealt with later.  Fascinating injuries.  I thnk the kids are in good shape and their soft tissue injuries can be more thoroughy investigated before rushing into the wrong procedure.  

And speaking of the wrong procedure, wtf did the Saints coaching team do to ruin the results of last week?  Saw the score as I was washing up and just got home.  Maybe I will wait until Sunday to watch the replay.

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Post by Heaf Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:35 pm

Bad Luck of the Irish continues - pouring rain and missing some key forwards, Genge and Sinkler both back for Bristol and now Paddy Jackson fails a late fitness test ... think LI will be bottom by the end of today.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:29 pm

Marchant is having a bit of a torrid time.

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Post by Heaf Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:46 pm

That's a try gone begging for Sale there

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:06 pm

Sale handling errors costing them dear. Marchant's try makes it very much game on as well.

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Post by Heaf Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:38 pm

Care maybe lucky Sale scored there as could have been judged as a deliberate knock-on, PT and YC ... odd how the laws work when you can be worse off by scoring ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:51 pm

Heaf wrote:Care maybe lucky Sale scored there as could have been judged as a deliberate knock-on, PT and YC ... odd how the laws work when you can be worse off by scoring ...

As it happened before the try the TMO should have raised it with Barnes. Care has just made a break to create the field position for a try and he shouldn't be on the pitch (at this point). Sale should have two more points.

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